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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Oct 10 @ 11:27 PM ET

I will remember this for the next lockout

- homiedclown


Hopefully there won’t be one
Normally... I’d say there is gonna be

But the next lockout would be in the ‘20-21 season,
which is when Seattle is supposed to start
So I’m hoping they’ll just get things settled

But who knows?
It is the NHL after all
ChuckSchuldiner
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 07.02.2018

Oct 11 @ 12:22 AM ET
Hopefully there won’t be one
Normally... I’d say there is gonna be

But the next lockout would be in the ‘20-21 season,
which is when Seattle is supposed to start
So I’m hoping they’ll just get things settled

But who knows?
It is the NHL after all

- jdfitz77


Good point. What are the real hard issues, in your estimation?

The players are all making mad bank again, so that shouldn’t be much of an issue. What would they want this go around?

I can see the owners wanting to rewrite the drafted College free agent thing ( Justin Schultz), abolish the NMC and somehow find a way to rid themselves of those lingering long term contracts every team seems to Havel.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Oct 11 @ 12:38 AM ET
Good point. What are the real hard issues, in your estimation?

The players are all making mad bank again, so that shouldn’t be much of an issue. What would they want this go around?

I can see the owners wanting to rewrite the drafted College free agent thing ( Justin Schultz), abolish the NMC and somehow find a way to rid themselves of those lingering long term contracts every team seems to Havel.

- ChuckSchuldiner


This is a pretty good article about the situation

https://www.google.com/am...e-20180916-story,amp.html
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Oct 11 @ 12:52 AM ET
Jordan Schmaltz might be on the trade block


what picks/prospects would you throw the blues for him, blues have no cap space
ChuckSchuldiner
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 07.02.2018

Oct 11 @ 12:58 AM ET
This is a pretty good article about the situation

https://www.google.com/am...e-20180916-story,amp.html

- jdfitz77

Thanks. That’s answered my question about the players concerns.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Oct 11 @ 1:01 AM ET
Jordan Schmaltz might be on the trade block


what picks/prospects would you throw the blues for him, blues have no cap space

- homiedclown


I'd rather have Jaden Schwartz. Maybe slip the typo into the trade agreement and hope the Blues don't notice?
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Oct 11 @ 1:06 AM ET
I'd rather have Jaden Schwartz. Maybe slip the typo into the trade agreement and hope the Blues don't notice?
- Wetbandit1


adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Oct 11 @ 1:17 AM ET
This is a pretty good article about the situation

https://www.google.com/am...e-20180916-story,amp.html

- jdfitz77



An excerpt from the article:

"I don't care how much money you make or what you do, you sign a contract, you feel like you've earned that and you expect that your employer is going to hold up his end of the deal," Chicago Blackhawks captain Jonathan Toews said.

How can Toews say this with a straight face? $10.5m a year for 20g 30a, and hope he gets that much for 6 more years? Maybe the owners want the players to hold up on their side too. I definitely think the NHL should have an option to restructure contracts. Maybe through an arbitrator. Hodgson and Leino come to mind. I don't want GMs to have a Get out of Jail Free card for doing stupid things like signing Lucic to his atrocious contract, but there should be something.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Oct 11 @ 1:20 AM ET
An excerpt from the article:

"I don't care how much money you make or what you do, you sign a contract, you feel like you've earned that and you expect that your employer is going to hold up his end of the deal," Chicago Blackhawks captain Jonathan Toews said.

How can Toews say this with a straight face? $10.5m a year for 20g 30a, and hope he gets that much for 6 more years? Maybe the owners want the players to hold up on their side too. I definitely think the NHL should have an option to restructure contracts. Maybe through an arbitrator. Hodgson and Leino come to mind. I don't want GMs to have a Get out of Jail Free card for doing stupid things like signing Lucic to his atrocious contract, but there should be something.

- adambuffalo

have the contracts more like the nfl deals


easy to walk away from them


problem solved
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Oct 11 @ 1:22 AM ET
An excerpt from the article:

"I don't care how much money you make or what you do, you sign a contract, you feel like you've earned that and you expect that your employer is going to hold up his end of the deal," Chicago Blackhawks captain Jonathan Toews said.

How can Toews say this with a straight face? $10.5m a year for 20g 30a, and hope he gets that much for 6 more years? Maybe the owners want the players to hold up on their side too. I definitely think the NHL should have an option to restructure contracts. Maybe through an arbitrator. Hodgson and Leino come to mind. I don't want GMs to have a Get out of Jail Free card for doing stupid things like signing Lucic to his atrocious contract, but there should be something.

- adambuffalo

The problem with this is it would create a fiasco. When the player out plays his contract he’s going to want to restructure too and get more money. It could get to the point where every player goes to arbitration every year unless they repeat exact past performance. Rabbit hole
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Oct 11 @ 1:28 AM ET
have the contracts more like the nfl deals


easy to walk away from them


problem solved

- homiedclown


Then they'd want a hell of a lot more than an even split of HRR.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Oct 11 @ 1:29 AM ET
The problem with this is it would create a fiasco. When the player out plays his contract he’s going to want to restructure too and get more money. It could get to the point where every player goes to arbitration every year unless they repeat exact past performance. Rabbit hole
- TheHank


Agree. While this system is far from ideal, it works(most of the time).

The only proper way would be 1 year contracts, but a team could never be run like that, even the medium term cap would impossible to calculate for one, which leads to other things like being able to afford players.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Oct 11 @ 1:34 AM ET
Then they'd want a hell of a lot more than an even split of HRR.
- Wetbandit1

they never fix the issues in these lockouts
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Oct 11 @ 1:46 AM ET
Agree. While this system is far from ideal, it works(most of the time).

The only proper way would be 1 year contracts, but a team could never be run like that, even the medium term cap would impossible to calculate for one, which leads to other things like being able to afford players.

- Wetbandit1

I don’t think there’s a perfect way to do it with a hard salary cap. I brought it up the other day that if a team can put someone on ltir and get cap relief why can’t there be some clause like “barely plays ir” for guys like bogo where if they miss a certain percent of games over a certain time frame the team can cut ties, have very minor cap penalties (if any) and move on. (I don’t care if the player still gets paid or not)
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Oct 11 @ 1:47 AM ET
they never fix the issues in these lockouts
- homiedclown

Each one creates a new issue for the next.
gordong
Location: NY
Joined: 02.06.2007

Oct 11 @ 3:11 AM ET
Victor olofsson 3 point night, 1st goal and two apples...
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Oct 11 @ 4:24 AM ET
An excerpt from the article:

"I don't care how much money you make or what you do, you sign a contract, you feel like you've earned that and you expect that your employer is going to hold up his end of the deal," Chicago Blackhawks captain Jonathan Toews said.

How can Toews say this with a straight face? $10.5m a year for 20g 30a, and hope he gets that much for 6 more years? Maybe the owners want the players to hold up on their side too. I definitely think the NHL should have an option to restructure contracts. Maybe through an arbitrator. Hodgson and Leino come to mind. I don't want GMs to have a Get out of Jail Free card for doing stupid things like signing Lucic to his atrocious contract, but there should be something.

- adambuffalo


I’m not with ya
I think having guaranteed contracts is a good thing for the NHL
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Oct 11 @ 4:25 AM ET
The problem with this is it would create a fiasco. When the player out plays his contract he’s going to want to restructure too and get more money. It could get to the point where every player goes to arbitration every year unless they repeat exact past performance. Rabbit hole
- TheHank


Don’t look now Hank, but we agree
Try not to let your head explode
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Oct 11 @ 7:17 AM ET
He kicked it in
- TheHank


I know.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Oct 11 @ 8:41 AM ET
I’m not with ya
I think having guaranteed contracts is a good thing for the NHL

- jdfitz77


Fully guarantee contracts in terms of cash, but allow owners to buyout the contracts without repercussions. 1 buyout every other year, or every third year per team. Poor teams can kick rocks
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 11 @ 8:49 AM ET
Victor olofsson 3 point night, 1st goal and two apples...
- gordong



I'm not sure how good he will end up being, but the one thing that Botterill seems to be doing is loading this team with depth, something Tim Murray ignored.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Oct 11 @ 8:55 AM ET
I'm not sure how good he will end up being, but the one thing that Botterill seems to be doing is loading this team with depth, something Tim Murray ignored.
- buffalofan19



He's a Murray draft pick
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 11 @ 8:56 AM ET
He's a Murray draft pick
- jcragcrumple



My bad.

My point still stands.
LandlordTom
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Ice girls, please, NY
Joined: 07.16.2011

Oct 11 @ 9:39 AM ET
F the 'lanch. God I dislike teams whose names aren't plural.
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Oct 11 @ 9:52 AM ET
F the 'lanch. God I dislike teams whose names aren't plural.
- LandlordTom


I have good seats for tonight. And reservations at Chefs. Won't be getting much work done today.
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