I still want to know the details on Colliton’s contract!
- walleyeb1

A PTO I bet

Taylor - when was Panarin, under any definition, ever, even for a second, the best player on the Hawks?
- Z3Hawk

Patrick Kane has been the best player on the Hawks since Duncan Keith's 2015 playoff performance. Not even really close.

Patrick Kane has been the best player on the Hawks since Duncan Keith's 2015 playoff performance. Not even really close.
- fattybeef

Don't forget CC.

Guy has probably seen and stopped more high danger shots than anyone in the league since then.

Sikura and Wise as potential top 6. The Russian prospects as well as Soderlund, Kurashev, and Edjsell have middle 6 potential.

Yes to Boqvist. Maybe to Beaudin and Mitchell; at least top 4 for them.

Not confident that any goalie prospects will be Crawford level or close to it. Solid backups and serviceable starters but no one all star level.

Maybe Boqvist? Generally agree that no superstars.
- AEL_Fox

This is all conjecture on our part. Those who say we don't have any top 6/top pair players in Rockford/minors are just as wrong as those who say we do.

Some of the players, yes, you can make a determination on based on the fact that they are older and have been given chances, but the majority of these players we do not know what they can become.

There are hits and misses, flops and steals all over the draft.

For every Pavelski, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, there is a Beach, Daigle, Barker. Different players take different paths to the NHL. I wouldn't paint a result on any of them until they 1) earn their way to the NHL, and 2) show what they can do in the NHL.

Who do we offer for Nylander?
- nickmo2699

Schmaltz, Mitchell, one of [Manning or Rutta], 2020 second and conditional 2019 pick.

Don't forget CC.

Guy has probably seen and stopped more high danger shots than anyone in the league since then.
- Return of the Roar

Hands down CC the most consistent and highest performing player for the team IMO.

Who do we offer for Nylander?
- nickmo2699

Boqvist, Beaudin, Keith (50% retained), Jokiharju, Schmaltz, Saad (50% retained), DeBrincat, Mitchell, 2019 1st and 2020 7th.

Boqvist, Beaudin, Keith (50% retained), Jokiharju, Schmaltz, Saad (50% retained), DeBrincat, Mitchell, 2019 1st and 2020 7th.
- DarthKane

Can't we just retroactively give them the 2010 cup too?

This all started with someone stating that Stan got Nothing for them, but my argument is any GM would have gotten nothing for them, as the rest of the league knew the situation the hawks were in.
- ToewsdNKanefusd

No, the point is he got back 2 AHLers and a #1 pick. which is good. But the pick turned out to be Kevin Hayes, who he couldn't sign. So, he essentially got 2 career minor leaguers for one of the better players in the NHL.

No, the point is he got back 2 AHLers and a #1 pick. which is good. But the pick turned out to be Kevin Hayes, who he couldn't sign. So, he essentially got 2 career minor leaguers for one of the better players in the NHL.
- scottak

Don't forget Graham Knott, who they got with the compensatory pick they received when they lost Hayes.

Can't we just retroactively give them the 2010 cup too?
- breadbag

Only Nashville would want that deal for a player. It would sit between participation banners.

This is all conjecture on our part. Those who say we don't have any top 6/top pair players in Rockford/minors are just as wrong as those who say we do.

Some of the players, yes, you can make a determination on based on the fact that they are older and have been given chances, but the majority of these players we do not know what they can become.

There are hits and misses, flops and steals all over the draft.

For every Pavelski, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, there is a Beach, Daigle, Barker. Different players take different paths to the NHL. I wouldn't paint a result on any of them until they 1) earn their way to the NHL, and 2) show what they can do in the NHL.
- Chunk

Good post. As eager as I am to follow and conjecture on prospects, I try to be cautiously optimistic with them just like I have been with this year's Hawks team.

Honestly I think that's a cop out. Wait and see what the Leafs get for Nylander. Everyone knows they are going to have to trade him. I bet is isn't nothing.
- hereismike1

Nylander is also a lot more talented than the guys the Hawks gave away then.

Don't forget Graham Knott, who they got with the compensatory pick they received when they lost Hayes.
- TheTrob

Ah yes, Graham Knott. They clearly don't win in 13 or 15 without his contribution.

I think we give Colliton (Smith I should really say) until Christmas to validate a few things:

What do they really have in Saad and Schmaltz?

Let's be honest - their collective failure to produce this season renders their "top six" to a top three (uniquely impacting Kane), and truly changes the personnel landscape in terms of what is needed.

Can systemic/scheme changes with the same player mix achieve better results?

In other words do they have the right guys (two keys are above) and it really was just what system they were playing. If so, great, build on that.

Otherwise...

Can systemic/scheme changes with different players achieve better results?

Are there horses in Rockford or elsewhere in the system that can solve personnel problems identified? If Saad and Schmaltz can't get it together, you know Rockford will be no help. If they do, but the rest of the supporting cast is too weak, then Rockford may help fill a few holes there. At least enough to fight for the first round. If not....

Answering these three questions should tell the FO if it is blow up time or not pretty quickly. My fear is that since Saad and Schmaltz are Stan's guys that they may have been, and may still yet be overvalued to a point where they will be depended upon in ways that ultimately demonstrate these guys not only are the wrong fit for the Hawks, but may end with having no trade value either.
- Return of the Roar

As far as Saad goes, he's playing better of late and going hard to the net which is what you want from him. He's starting to show up on the score sheet and isn't far from his .65ish ppg/avg the last several seasons which is what they traded for him for.

So I think if that happens, unless someone is offering something you can't turn down, you keep him.

Can't we just retroactively give them the 2010 cup too?
- breadbag

I think that might be justified... the 2010 Cup and the 2015 Banner. Stan might have to throw in Kane's Conn Smythe too.

Good post. As eager as I am to follow and conjecture on prospects, I try to be cautiously optimistic with them just like I have been with this year's Hawks team.
- AEL_Fox

One thing to keep in mind too: of first round NHL drafted players, the current percentage of those who actually stick around long enough to collect a pension (400 games) is about 63%.

https://www.huffingtonpos...to-make-it_b_5803634.html

Odds are MUCH lower for those players who labor in the lower leagues - like 5%

http://www.espn.com/nhl/n...s/story?page=campbell1113

One thing to keep in mind too: of first round NHL drafted players, the current percentage of those who actually stick around long enough to collect a pension (400 games) is about 63%.

https://www.huffingtonpos...to-make-it_b_5803634.html

Odds are MUCH lower for those players who labor in the lower leagues - like 5%

http://www.espn.com/nhl/n...s/story?page=campbell1113
- Return of the Roar

Here is a very telling chart: https://www.tsn.ca/statis...draft-pick-value-1.786131

Talk about having blinders on , you should look in the mirror. Let's be honest here saad hasn't done anything since coming back to Chicago and that so called future prospect of a goalie that you claim we received ? He was so awful that we had to go out and sign a 34 yr old washed up goalie because that future goalie can't be trusted or relied upon even in a back up role . PANARIN is still out producing saad at very metric.


Now Leddy, Tevo , denault , Shaw how can you explain to anyone that those trades with where we stand now with the level of talent we either received which is no longer here or the talent we don't have that those trades where the right thing to do. Bickell should have never been signed for 4 million he never produced in all the years he was here during the regular season and he has 1 great playoff year so now were going to overpay him ? Tevo was the future and that kid is tearing it up and he is only 23 years old .


So please if your going to defend this team or it's management you should be ashamed of yourself .


Stan should be fired PERIOD! His negatives outweigh any positives . His job is to manage salaries, contracts and personnel, He has failed .
- Taylorst1

I am not ashamed of anything I don't make up facts with 20/20 hindsight like you have...

it's great to have guys like you around as amateur gms with all the answers after the fact...

I am not ashamed of anything I don't make up facts with 20/20 hindsight like you have...

it's great to have guys like you around as amateur gms with all the answers after the fact...
- bogiedoc

But it's so much easier that way.

If I only knew which Mega Million numbers were going to be picked the other day I would be a billionaire.

Interesting how 2 sought after players this past summer have done little for their new teams.
James Neal was invisible for Calgary in the game against us. He has 4 points so far playing on a pretty decent team.
Max Pacioretty has 2 points for Vegas while cap dump Tatar going the other way to Montreal is the second leading scorer for Montreal behind Domi.

Crazy when many of us were pining for them a few months ago.

Interesting how 2 sought after players this past summer have done little for their new teams.
James Neal was invisible for Calgary in the game against us. He has 4 points so far playing on a pretty decent team.
Max Pacioretty has 2 points for Vegas while cap dump Tatar going the other way to Montreal is the second leading scorer for Montreal behind Domi.

Crazy when many of us were pining for them a few months ago.
- 67hawks

And if Stan brought them here and they still sucked, it would be Stans fault.

Interesting how 2 sought after players this past summer have done little for their new teams.
James Neal was invisible for Calgary in the game against us. He has 4 points so far playing on a pretty decent team.
Max Pacioretty has 2 points for Vegas while cap dump Tatar going the other way to Montreal is the second leading scorer for Montreal behind Domi.

Crazy when many of us were pining for them a few months ago.
- 67hawks

Maybe Stan SHOULD have gone after Tatar instead of Jurco for those 6 months or whatever...

Interesting how 2 sought after players this past summer have done little for their new teams.
James Neal was invisible for Calgary in the game against us. He has 4 points so far playing on a pretty decent team.
Max Pacioretty has 2 points for Vegas while cap dump Tatar going the other way to Montreal is the second leading scorer for Montreal behind Domi.

Crazy when many of us were pining for them a few months ago.
- 67hawks

Eh, I could do without Neal but Patches would bang in 40 playing on Kane's off side pretty automatically. (though his shooting percentage was bad last year - see Toews, Jonathan about how that happens sometimes).

28 million over 4 years for a guy whose 30. Ehhhhhh maybe? If they thought they could win now I guess.

I think ROR or throwing in for Karlsson or Nylander would have been assets better spent but what do i know.

And if Stan brought them here and they still sucked, it would be Stans fault.
- riozzo

It's probably Stan's fault in CLG and VGK anyway because McPhee is a genius and wouldn't bring in a under performing player.