That was a fun game to be at. Lots of ups and downs. Where the hell has this Weiss been? Its like the invasion of the body snatchers abducted him 3 years ago, and returned him at the begging of this season.
- youarewrong

After being waived, his wife issued an ultimatum. If you are in the press box, or god forbid Lehigh Valley, no nookie for you

It’s hard to get too excited about this comeback win knowing all the same issues of their last homestand (and frankly last season) are all still there. It’s past time that Hextall at the very least, shakes up the coaching staff by letting Lappy go. Knoblauch should be on the hot seat also.
- Sublime55

9 points in 5 games.
I hear what you are saying but they are doing something right over this stretch.

9 points in 5 games.
I hear what you are saying but they are doing something right over this stretch.
- opeth_pa

#sackup

yet they kept Allen over Elliot. interesting.
- rinaldo

Im sure age had nothing to do with this with their being a multi-year difference between Allen and Elliot.

#sackup
- dragonoffrost

#SnotBalls

FFS, that isnt the tag I wanted but it works.. lol

wow --- way to make that way harder than it had to be.... here are my thoughts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQeMfgN06iY

Can't you see STL has had the goalie carousel as bad as Philly?

Allen, Hutton, Miller, Elliott, Halak, Bishop, Conklin have all been in their net since 2010...

Hell they even tried a past his prime Marty Brodeur for 7 games.
- dragonoffrost

Hutton was great in St.Louis. They chose Allen over him just like they did Elliot

Crawford is 33, makes 6 million on the cap through 2020 and has some significant concussion issues. It's not like he's Dominic Hasek in his prime. You may be overrating what it will take to acquire him. Remember, most teams are probably pretty set in goal so there will be a limited market and only so many of those teams will be able to take on the full cap hit.
- BiggE

Chicago right now has Crawford, signed for this year and next year and has Cam Ward signed for this year. You might be right but I have to think it would take a significant asset to get him.

Im sure age had nothing to do with this with their being a multi-year difference between Allen and Elliot.
- opeth_pa

There you go with that silly logic stuff again. Honestly, I don't know why anyone evens bothers to respond to him any more. I don't waste my time on imbeciles.

There you go with that silly logic stuff again. Honestly, I don't know why anyone evens bothers to respond to him any more. I don't waste my time on imbeciles.
- BiggE

I'd try and make a play for Anderson in Ottawa. Signed for one more year so you could have him here to back up Hart or share time depending on what's needed next year. Also i would see if I could get Zack Smith. i know the deal looks bad but he is a solid PK guy. Special teams need a fix and if your not firing a coach then you need to changer personnel.

I'd try and make a play for Anderson in Ottawa. Signed for one more year so you could have him here to back up Hart or share time depending on what's needed next year. Also i would see if I could get Zack Smith. i know the deal looks bad but he is a solid PK guy. Special teams need a fix and if your not firing a coach then you need to changer personnel.
- J35Bacher

Not sure that Anderson would be any better than Elliott at this point, but maybe. I just want them to address this season, I'll worry about next season later. Yeah, Hextall made a commitment to winning now by signing JVR, but that's not enough. The players aren't stupid, they know it takes more than average goaltending to win in the NHL against the good teams and in the playoffs. Here is what they likely see:

Elliott: Good guy, good teammate, solid goalie. But they know that he's not a guy you can ride for 8-9 games out of every 10 and have any success

Neuvirth: Talented guy, well liked, but lets not kid ourselves. Not one player in that room would honestly count on Mr. Glass doing anything to help this team, this year

Pickard: The textbook definition of journeyman. The players know this.

Lyon: Inexperienced kid with some success at the NHL level. I very much doubt the players would be full of confidence playing in front of him.

Stolarz: Hasn't played much in over a year and hasn't played that well in his limited action in the AHL this season. Get real

Hart: He may very well be the #1 goalie of the future but to a room full of NHL players, he's just a 20 year old kid who was playing in Junior just 6 months ago.

They need to make a move. It's not just about improving the position which is certainly important, but it's also about sending a message to the players and allowing them to play confidently in front of their goalie every night.

Did I say quality assets? I'm not asking them to move a top prospect or a 1st or 2nd rounder, however, if you can land a solid NHL goalie for a 3rd or maybe a 4th paired with a B level prospect, they should do it.
- BiggE

I would agree, even if Hart is ready in a year or two he will need a quality back up. Unless one of Stolie or Lyon are really doing that well.


I also think they should see if anyone would take Weise for a 4th or close. I like the way Weise is playing and I am happy for him but when JVR comes back something has to give. I would rather see JVR on the 3rd line and leave NAK on the 4th. Plus they have so many forwards that will be pushing for spots in the next 24 months. Weises value may never be higher.

Not sure that Anderson would be any better than Elliott at this point, but maybe. I just want them to address this season, I'll worry about next season later. Yeah, Hextall made a commitment to winning now by signing JVR, but that's not enough. The players aren't stupid, they know it takes more than average goaltending to win in the NHL against the good teams and in the playoffs. Here is what they likely see:

Elliott: Good guy, good teammate, solid goalie. But they know that he's not a guy you can ride for 8-9 games out of every 10 and have any success

Neuvirth: Talented guy, well liked, but lets not kid ourselves. Not one player in that room would honestly count on Mr. Glass doing anything to help this team, this year

Pickard: The textbook definition of journeyman. The players know this.

Lyon: Inexperienced kid with some success at the NHL level. I very much doubt the players would be full of confidence playing in front of him.

Stolarz: Hasn't played much in over a year and hasn't played that well in his limited action in the AHL this season. Get real

Hart: He may very well be the #1 goalie of the future but to a room full of NHL players, he's just a 20 year old kid who was playing in Junior just 6 months ago.

They need to make a move. It's not just about improving the position which is certainly important, but it's also about sending a message to the players and allowing them to play confidently in front of their goalie every night.
- BiggE

You keep harping on what the players know. What they hopefully know is that each player needs to look at themselves and correct any issues they have and play better themselves. I don't believe there is this belief floating around the room that they're goaltending isn't good enough. The skaters are the ones bleeding high quality chances and giving up breakaways on the PP.

Not sure that Anderson would be any better than Elliott at this point, but maybe. I just want them to address this season, I'll worry about next season later. Yeah, Hextall made a commitment to winning now by signing JVR, but that's not enough. The players aren't stupid, they know it takes more than average goaltending to win in the NHL against the good teams and in the playoffs. Here is what they likely see:

Elliott: Good guy, good teammate, solid goalie. But they know that he's not a guy you can ride for 8-9 games out of every 10 and have any success

Neuvirth: Talented guy, well liked, but lets not kid ourselves. Not one player in that room would honestly count on Mr. Glass doing anything to help this team, this year

Pickard: The textbook definition of journeyman. The players know this.

Lyon: Inexperienced kid with some success at the NHL level. I very much doubt the players would be full of confidence playing in front of him.

Stolarz: Hasn't played much in over a year and hasn't played that well in his limited action in the AHL this season. Get real

Hart: He may very well be the #1 goalie of the future but to a room full of NHL players, he's just a 20 year old kid who was playing in Junior just 6 months ago.

They need to make a move. It's not just about improving the position which is certainly important, but it's also about sending a message to the players and allowing them to play confidently in front of their goalie every night.
- BiggE

That's how I feel. They need to make a move to help THIS year. There is a commitment to win.

I like your thinking on Crawford. Would they take a younger goalie back like Stolarz. Does Anisimov kill penalties. That would be a pretty sly move as he could then slide into your 3c role.

You keep harping on what the players know. What they hopefully know is that each player needs to look at themselves and correct any issues they have and play better themselves. I don't believe there is this belief floating around the room that they're goaltending isn't good enough. The skaters are the ones bleeding high quality chances and giving up breakaways on the PP.
- MJL

Agree.

But you also need your goalie to come up clutch sometimes. We have seen it ourselves. It seems to happen to the Flyers where they get chances but other teams goalie bails them out.

Crawford is 33, makes 6 million on the cap through 2020 and has some significant concussion issues. It's not like he's Dominic Hasek in his prime. You may be overrating what it will take to acquire him. Remember, most teams are probably pretty set in goal so there will be a limited market and only so many of those teams will be able to take on the full cap hit.
- BiggE

depends, if the Flyers can wait and Chicago falls further behind then the price might get reasonable.

FYI- I watched Chicago last night, Kane is on an Island by himself. Towes really looked like a 3rd line center, his puck skills were terrible, no where near a G. Could be just one game but...

Can't you see STL has had the goalie carousel as bad as Philly?

Allen, Hutton, Miller, Elliott, Halak, Bishop, Conklin have all been in their net since 2010...

Hell they even tried a past his prime Marty Brodeur for 7 games.
- dragonoffrost

yet all of those a significant diff over the slop the flyers have.

Im sure age had nothing to do with this with their being a multi-year difference between Allen and Elliot.
- opeth_pa

wasn't the point he was making. but hey what can you do. wouldn't you keep the better goalie?

There you go with that silly logic stuff again. Honestly, I don't know why anyone evens bothers to respond to him any more. I don't waste my time on imbeciles.
- BiggE

stfu guru...go play your keyboards

yet all of those a significant diff over the slop the flyers have.
- rinaldo

Not if you talk to the STL Fans...

You keep harping on what the players know. What they hopefully know is that each player needs to look at themselves and correct any issues they have and play better themselves. I don't believe there is this belief floating around the room that they're goaltending isn't good enough. The skaters are the ones bleeding high quality chances and giving up breakaways on the PP.
- MJL

Please, no kidding. Have you ever played ice hockey at a level above peewee? If you have, then you know that there is a confidence level factor that is in play based on the quality of your teammates, especially the goaltender. I played up to Junior at age 18 (US, not Canada). I played in front of good goalies, including Mike Richter at a hockey summer camp and some piss poor ones. You absolutely get a sense of confidence when you know you are playing in front of a goaltender that is good enough to erase the occasional mistake and can make, on a at least a semi regular basis, that huge momentum shifting save that the better goalies seem to make.

It's not about thinking your goalie isn't good enough, it's about having the confidence to know that when the inevitable mistakes are made, your goalie is good enough to bail you out. Other than Elliott, I don't think they feel that way about the rest of the bunch. Obviously I don't know this for sure, but it's just as obvious that you don't know that it's not how they feel.

Not sure that Anderson would be any better than Elliott at this point, but maybe. I just want them to address this season, I'll worry about next season later. Yeah, Hextall made a commitment to winning now by signing JVR, but that's not enough. The players aren't stupid, they know it takes more than average goaltending to win in the NHL against the good teams and in the playoffs. Here is what they likely see:

Elliott: Good guy, good teammate, solid goalie. But they know that he's not a guy you can ride for 8-9 games out of every 10 and have any success

Neuvirth: Talented guy, well liked, but lets not kid ourselves. Not one player in that room would honestly count on Mr. Glass doing anything to help this team, this year

Pickard: The textbook definition of journeyman. The players know this.

Lyon: Inexperienced kid with some success at the NHL level. I very much doubt the players would be full of confidence playing in front of him.

Stolarz: Hasn't played much in over a year and hasn't played that well in his limited action in the AHL this season. Get real

Hart: He may very well be the #1 goalie of the future but to a room full of NHL players, he's just a 20 year old kid who was playing in Junior just 6 months ago.

They need to make a move. It's not just about improving the position which is certainly important, but it's also about sending a message to the players and allowing them to play confidently in front of their goalie every night.
- BiggE

top 10 list of worst flyers goalies? haven't seen a top 10 list in a while.

stfu guru...go play your keyboards
- rinaldo

And with this reply you prove all you are doing is spewing trash.

Take your L that Allen would be the same here. Or do I need to show you the numbers from STL for 5 seasons where Elliott and Allen played there that are almost identical.

Not sure that Anderson would be any better than Elliott at this point, but maybe. I just want them to address this season, I'll worry about next season later. Yeah, Hextall made a commitment to winning now by signing JVR, but that's not enough. The players aren't stupid, they know it takes more than average goaltending to win in the NHL against the good teams and in the playoffs. Here is what they likely see:

Elliott: Good guy, good teammate, solid goalie. But they know that he's not a guy you can ride for 8-9 games out of every 10 and have any success

Neuvirth: Talented guy, well liked, but lets not kid ourselves. Not one player in that room would honestly count on Mr. Glass doing anything to help this team, this year

Pickard: The textbook definition of journeyman. The players know this.

Lyon: Inexperienced kid with some success at the NHL level. I very much doubt the players would be full of confidence playing in front of him.

Stolarz: Hasn't played much in over a year and hasn't played that well in his limited action in the AHL this season. Get real

Hart: He may very well be the #1 goalie of the future but to a room full of NHL players, he's just a 20 year old kid who was playing in Junior just 6 months ago.

They need to make a move. It's not just about improving the position which is certainly important, but it's also about sending a message to the players and allowing them to play confidently in front of their goalie every night.
- BiggE

Stolarz has looked good in his limited starts in the NHL

Secondly the players are not affected by who is in goal. As someone who players we have a goalie much like Elliot, some games we get a good performance others we are getting scored on from center ice. It in no way affect us until the softie is let in. Then there is a bit frustration but we continue to play hard and win the game. If our goalie sucks, then we just need to score more.

There you go with that silly logic stuff again. Honestly, I don't know why anyone evens bothers to respond to him any more. I don't waste my time on imbeciles.
- BiggE

I came to the same conclusion yesterday.