top 10 list of worst flyers goalies? haven't seen a top 10 list in a while.
- rinaldo

Esche
Chekmanek
Boucher
Leighton
Burke
Quellet
Niittymaki
Emery
Pickard
Neuvirth

No particular order. Unfortunately I dont know most og the goalies before Checkmanek

Crawford is 33, makes 6 million on the cap through 2020 and has some significant concussion issues. It's not like he's Dominic Hasek in his prime. You may be overrating what it will take to acquire him. Remember, most teams are probably pretty set in goal so there will be a limited market and only so many of those teams will be able to take on the full cap hit.
- BiggE

Yeah, Ben Bishop is really the only G of any consequence to move recently, and he was surprisingly cheap to acquire.

That's how I feel. They need to make a move to help THIS year. There is a commitment to win.

I like your thinking on Crawford. Would they take a younger goalie back like Stolarz. Does Anisimov kill penalties. That would be a pretty sly move as he could then slide into your 3c role.
- J35Bacher

I think it's going to take a lot more than Stolarz. If they want a goalie prospect in return, I would think they would at the least want Sandstrom.

And with this reply you prove all you are doing is spewing trash.

Take your L that Allen would be the same here. Or do I need to show you the numbers from STL for 5 seasons where Elliott and Allen played there that are almost identical.
- dragonoffrost

ok you have said that how many times now? show me the numbers.

I think it's going to take a lot more than Stolarz. If they want a goalie prospect in return, I would think they would at the least want Sandstrom.
- FlyerFan16

They do have some in the system. I think they got one in a deal last year. Can't think of the name but he's a swede.

I wonder if they would somehow swap Elliott for Anderson. Elliott is cheaper and fa after this year.

I came to the same conclusion yesterday.
- jmatchett383

did you and your daughter make it to the game last night?

Esche
Chekmanek
Boucher
Leighton
Burke
Quellet
Niittymaki
Emery
Pickard
Neuvirth

No particular order. Unfortunately I dont know most og the goalies before Checkmanek
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Cechmanek was good here. The team quit on him and then he got screwed.
Esche was also pretty good here.
Emery was good for what he was and then injuries hampered his effectiveness.
Boucher was generally good and certainly he and Leighton caught lightning in a bottle at the right time in 2010.

ok you have said that how many times now? show me the numbers.
- rinaldo

GP W L OTL SO GAA SV PGP PW PL PSO PGAA PSV
Brian Elliott 2011–2016 180 104 46 16 25 2.01 .925 33 14 17 1 2.32 .907
Jake Allen* 2011–2018 219 117 71 – 15 16 2.47 .913 22 9 10 0 2.10 .922

Esche
Chekmanek
Boucher
Leighton
Burke
Quellet
Niittymaki
Emery
Pickard
Neuvirth

No particular order. Unfortunately I dont know most og the goalies before Checkmanek
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Not even close. Off the top of my head:

Martin Houle
Johan Backlund
Cal Heeter
Dominic Roussell

Some of the guys you listed (Cechmanek, Boucher, Esche) were actually very good for large portions of their Flyers careers. Emery and Nitty were also good when healthy.

Esche
Chekmanek
Boucher
Leighton
Burke
Quellet
Niittymaki
Emery
Pickard
Neuvirth

No particular order. Unfortunately I dont know most og the goalies before Checkmanek
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Tells me all I need to know that you have Checkmanek on that list.

Agree.

But you also need your goalie to come up clutch sometimes. We have seen it ourselves. It seems to happen to the Flyers where they get chances but other teams goalie bails them out.
- J35Bacher

Flyers goalies have made plenty of clutch saves lately.

Chicago right now has Crawford, signed for this year and next year and has Cam Ward signed for this year. You might be right but I have to think it would take a significant asset to get him.
- MJL

I agree here. Chicago would smell the desperation if the Flyers tried to get him now. And if they wait till the TDL bigger chance another goalie goes down to increase a bidding war. You cant tell me Florida wouldn't be interested.

Please, no kidding. Have you ever played ice hockey at a level above peewee? If you have, then you know that there is a confidence level factor that is in play based on the quality of your teammates, especially the goaltender. I played up to Junior at age 18 (US, not Canada). I played in front of good goalies, including Mike Richter at a hockey summer camp and some piss poor ones. You absolutely get a sense of confidence when you know you are playing in front of a goaltender that is good enough to erase the occasional mistake and can make, on a at least a semi regular basis, that huge momentum shifting save that the better goalies seem to make.

It's not about thinking your goalie isn't good enough, it's about having the confidence to know that when the inevitable mistakes are made, your goalie is good enough to bail you out. Other than Elliott, I don't think they feel that way about the rest of the bunch. Obviously I don't know this for sure, but it's just as obvious that you don't know that it's not how they feel.
- BiggE

Barking up the wrong tree. If you played then you know how important a team is. If you're looking at others instead of yourself then you don't have a team. The skaters need to correct their game rather than worrying about the goaltending. A mindset of a good team is to go out and do your job and things fall into place. If you played you should know that.

GP W L OTL SO GAA SV PGP PW PL PSO PGAA PSV
Brian Elliott 2011–2016 180 104 46 16 25 2.01 .925 33 14 17 1 2.32 .907
Jake Allen* 2011–2018 219 117 71 – 15 16 2.47 .913 22 9 10 0 2.10 .922
- dragonoffrost

damn dude was kidding

I agree here. Chicago would smell the desperation if the Flyers tried to get him now. And if they wait till the TDL bigger chance another goalie goes down to increase a bidding war. You cant tell me Florida wouldn't be interested.
- youarewrong

nothing to smell as teams know. waiting won't change that imo

Please, no kidding. Have you ever played ice hockey at a level above peewee? If you have, then you know that there is a confidence level factor that is in play based on the quality of your teammates, especially the goaltender. I played up to Junior at age 18 (US, not Canada). I played in front of good goalies, including Mike Richter at a hockey summer camp and some piss poor ones. You absolutely get a sense of confidence when you know you are playing in front of a goaltender that is good enough to erase the occasional mistake and can make, on a at least a semi regular basis, that huge momentum shifting save that the better goalies seem to make.

It's not about thinking your goalie isn't good enough, it's about having the confidence to know that when the inevitable mistakes are made, your goalie is good enough to bail you out. Other than Elliott, I don't think they feel that way about the rest of the bunch. Obviously I don't know this for sure, but it's just as obvious that you don't know that it's not how they feel.
- BiggE

I get what you are saying but with the amount of high quality chances this team is leaking right now I can't believe the players think they are playing well enough in front of any of these guys.

Barking up the wrong tree. If you played then you know how important a team is. If you're looking at others instead of yourself then you don't have a team. The skaters need to correct their game rather than worrying about the goaltending. A mindset of a good team is to go out and do your job and things fall into place. If you played you should know that.
- MJL

do skaters play differently depending on who is goal?

Barking up the wrong tree. If you played then you know how important a team is. If you're looking at others instead of yourself then you don't have a team. The skaters need to correct their game rather than worrying about the goaltending. A mindset of a good team is to go out and do your job and things fall into place. If you played you should know that.
- MJL

both parts are true. Everyone needs to do their job. That doesn't always happen and yes the Flyers have had more breakdowns than bad goaltending this season. When Pickard made big saves you could see the team respond, knowing you have a goalie to save your arse is huge for confidence.

damn dude was kidding
- rinaldo

Well you asked and I wanted to shut you up from your inane blather for once.

You picked the wrong topic to corner me on and on a bad day off here. I came here to relax a bit and of course got sucked right into stupid argument here.

Well you asked and I wanted to shut you up from your inane blather for once.

You picked the wrong topic to corner me on and on a bad day off here. I came here to relax a bit and of course got sucked right into stupid argument here.
- dragonoffrost

ok slappy. corner you? you ressponded to me. get over yourself your not important enough to corner.

bottom line is Allen better than Elliot. nothing to argue

ok slappy. corner you? get over yourself your to important enough top corner.

bottom line is Allen better than Elliot. nothing to argue
- rinaldo

Numbers with the same team in front of them say otherwise...

and as for corner yes... you keep harping he is better and I said I had facts and have provided them. Where is your facts?

Numbers with the same team in front of them say otherwise...
- dragonoffrost

who has the better save % over that time you showed?

who has the better save % over that time you showed?
- rinaldo

.925 ELLIOTT!

.925 ELLIOTT!
- dragonoffrost

from what you showed looks like Allen to me

GP W L OTL SO GAA SV PGP PW PL PSO PGAA PSV
Brian Elliott 2011–2016 180 104 46 16 25 2.01 .925 33 14 17 1 2.32 .907
Jake Allen* 2011–2018 219 117 71 – 15 16 2.47 .913 22 9 10 0 2.10 .922