Once again, did you watch the game? The Blues were absolutely dominated in the Second and Third period. No one on their team stood out but Schenn still managed to score. Very small sample size this one game bud, especially when the Blues were horrible. Those calls were soft, you know it, i know it.
- ClaudeFather

I watched the whole game did you? First off St. Louis dominated play in the first period, I think shots were like 15-5 or something...Schenn scored late in the first. See I actually watched the game. Periods 2 and 3 Edmonton got more shots on net, but far from dominated, they didn't look very good a lot of times. Sanford had multiple point blank chances and was robbed by Talbot. Schenn does what he does, calls for a line change while gingerly skating from the offensive zone while the puck is down the ice.

I just don't understand how you can say having Schenn on the team at the beginning of the season would change everything...utmost certainly a playoff team, Hextall having his job? The problems the Flyers are having would still be there, kind of like the problems St. Louis is having again this year...is Schenn making them a playoff team?
- Glak18

He's not pulling Ghost and Provy's heads out of their a$$es or fixing the goal tending but he helps fill a hole down the middle.

Again I am not advocating for Schenn. I am just saying that Hextall dig a big hole in Top 9 18 months ago. Which I think was very stupid and cost him a job at the end.
We would still have gap to contend for cup with Schenn, for sure, but it wouldn't be that bad as it's been so far.
- Keith25

Imho that'd be low on the list, far behind a decent goalie tandem in terms of importance

I watched the whole game did you? First off St. Louis dominated play in the first period, I think shots were like 15-5 or something...Schenn scored late in the first. See I actually watched the game. Periods 2 and 3 Edmonton got more shots on net, but far from dominated, they didn't look very good a lot of times. Sanford had multiple point blank chances and was robbed by Talbot. Schenn does what he does, calls for a line change while gingerly skating from the offensive zone while the puck is down the ice.
- Glak18

And OT was boring.

Frost is the next Giroux. Book it.
- youarewrong

touching cops butts and not winning a championship?
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I watched the whole game did you? First off St. Louis dominated play in the first period, I think shots were like 15-5 or something...Schenn scored late in the first. See I actually watched the game. Periods 2 and 3 Edmonton got more shots on net, but far from dominated, they didn't look very good a lot of times. Sanford had multiple point blank chances and was robbed by Talbot. Schenn does what he does, calls for a line change while gingerly skating from the offensive zone while the puck is down the ice.
- Glak18

That's why i said they were dominated in the second and third.... They were, hence why they blew the game. Schenn is a good player, last three years 70, 55, and 59 points. Numbers don't lie.

I just don't understand how you can say having Schenn on the team at the beginning of the season would change everything...utmost certainly a playoff team, Hextall having his job? The problems the Flyers are having would still be there, kind of like the problems St. Louis is having again this year...is Schenn making them a playoff team?
- Glak18

Yes, correct I am saying that having 3 balanced lines with Patrick as 3C would make a difference to 1st quarter of the season. And I think comparing Blues and Flyers is irrelevant. What you should compare is current Flyers roster without Schenn and with him as 2C. And I believe that balanced Top 9 would impact also our GAA, simply because we'd be stronger upfront and play more minutes in offensive zone (less turnovers from Patrick in his defensive 3C duties).

That's why i said they were dominated in the second and third.... They were, hence why they blew the game. Schenn is a good player, last three years 70, 55, and 59 points. Numbers don't lie.
- ClaudeFather

You said they were dominated in the 2nd and 3rd period, but Schenn scored...but he scored when St. Louis was dominating play in the 1st?

Once again, did you watch the game? The Blues were absolutely dominated in the Second and Third period. No one on their team stood out but Schenn still managed to score. Very small sample size this one game bud, especially when the Blues were horrible. Those calls were soft, you know it, i know it.
- ClaudeFather

He had 1 shot on net, that crazy bounce off the boards goal...what did he do the other 64 mins and 42 secs of the game? Plus he really stood out on the shootout.

Exactly, a 50 some point complementary player.

You said they were dominated in the 2nd and 3rd period, but Schenn scored...but he scored when St. Louis was dominating play in the 1st?



He had 1 shot on net, that crazy bounce off the boards goal...what did he do the other 64 mins and 42 secs of the game?

Exactly, a 50 some point complementary player.
- Glak18

Which would fill our hole at 2C and potentially play with JVR and Jake, an awesome spot to be for a 'complimentary player'.

I believe the Flyers "bye week" is sometime in January.
- Pelle31Forever

8 days with no Flyers games from Jan 20th to the 27th. All-Star Game is on the 26th, with the skills comp on the 25th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...ckey_League_All-Star_Game

Hopefully that's the week they say bye to Hak and get a new coach.

This discussion makes me wonder that if Hextall was not high at the 2017 draft and kept Schenn, we would discuss neither Frost nor Farabee here. We would have our 2C (Nolan as 3C), balanced top 9, in play off spot and Hextall would be still GM :-)
- Keith25

Maybe they'd be in a playoff spot but the PK would still be abysmal.

Which would fill our hole at 2C and potentially play with JVR and Jake, an awesome spot to be for a 'complimentary player'.
- ClaudeFather

Again so you really think Schenn would of changed how other players would of played. You keep on thinking that.

Patrick
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Schenn
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I will go out on a limb here and say this...

"At the end of the year, Patrick will have a better year than Schenn"

Having Frost and Farabee>>>>>having Schenn.

Having Frost and Farabee>>>>>having Schenn.
- ajw12

we hope brotha.

Again so you really think Schenn would of changed how other players would of played. You keep on thinking that.

Patrick
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Schenn
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I will go out on a limb here and say this...

"At the end of the year, Patrick will have a better year than Schenn"
- Glak18

I hope so man, and yes Schenn's stats are better than Patrick's right now.

It's really not controversial to say trading Schenn for two 1sts made the team worse this year and last. It was a great value trade, but in 2017-18 and 18-19 he's a much better top 6 forward option than Flip, Weal and Patrick.

I hope so man, and yes Schenn's stats are better than Patrick's right now.
- ClaudeFather

3 mins less a game......at 20 years old.

Having Frost and Farabee>>>>>having Schenn.
- ajw12

I absolutely agree, and I am very happy for 2021 and beyond. I am just saying that we could be there sooner without that move.

Mind the fact that in 2021 you do not have Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds. Regardless them being still with Flyers.

I absolutely agree, and I am very happy for 2021 and beyond. I am just saying that we could be there sooner without that move.
- Keith25

Schenn would 100% improve the team right now but they'd still be a bubble team without a question because of the PK, goaltending and the struggles of provy and ghost.

It's really not controversial to say trading Schenn for two 1sts made the team worse this year and last. It was a great value trade, but in 2017-18 and 18-19 he's a much better top 6 forward option than Flip, Weal and Patrick.
- Feanor

I understand the reasoning, that having a 50 some point player is better than having 2 prospects not in the NHL...at the current time, but saying that same player will make a team who is playing poorly ALL around magically become a playoff team? That's just wacky.

Remember...

with Schenn (2016-2017) = No playoffs for Flyers
without Schenn (2017-2018) = Playoffs
without Schenn (2018-2019) = ??

Like Hextall has said in the past "Have patience" because in a few years no one will know who Brayden or Luke Schenn is and Flyer fans will be gushing over Frost and Farabee if still on the team.

Almost Game Time!

I absolutely agree, and I am very happy for 2021 and beyond. I am just saying that we could be there sooner without that move.

Mind the fact that in 2021 you do not have Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds. Regardless them being still with Flyers.
- Keith25

Frost has still done nothing at the Pro level.

What would it take to think about moving him? If we don't want to be good now, I get it. But at the same time he is still Pat Falloon right?

You have to be creative and think outside the box to be a great GM and flat out win deals.

Maybe we wait and see who Hitchcock likes and doesn't and the Oilers can help us out like they did the Devils.
EDIT: my point and I did have one is that I would still think about moving Frost for a proven pro who has maybe fallen out of favor/unrealized potential.

I wouldn't deal Farabee or Allison either. I think both could be quick risers to the Flyers.
- J35Bacher

Farabee's skillset reminds me a lot of TK at that age. Kid may make the team in a year or two.

Almost Game Time!




- Glak18

Game time .. No idea what that is since we haven't played in 57 years.

Well, I am sure he'd be better 2C than Patrick now, kid is nowhere near ready for duties he's been given. The point I wanted to make was that Hextall was out of his mind trading him to 2 picks in 2017. He thought he won a lottery with Patrick falling to us and it actually was. It was meant to speed up our rebuilding process. With trading Schen away he did absolute reverse and found himself with terrible hangover, falling out of his GM chair!
I am sure it will work out long-term though, I am just not sure I would not make that move myself. Keep you feet down always as GM, it is us the fans who should dream :-)
- Keith25

Schenn is a nice player but stating that Hextall was out of his mind to trade him for 2 first round picks is wrong in my opinion. That's outstanding value for Schenn. What do we want? To be a little better and be a playoff team or to be a contender with a wide open window over a significant number of seasons to take multiple shots at it? If they had Schenn now, how much better would they be?