Peter Tessier: The Jets, the win and that Save! Looking back at last night's funny win, the Hellebuyck save and where the Jets sit now compared with a year ago.

So, other than winning, Maurice's biggest challenge may be to find the right balance between playing time, roles and development for these 8 young bottom 4 forwards (Lowry/Perreault locked in as 7/8): Tanev, Copp, Roslovic, Appleton, Petan, Lemieux, and ?Dano? - with Vesalainen waiting in the wings, so that we continue winning. Not an easy job.
Some of us want to see if Appleton-Petan-Roslovic can recreate their magic, but where does that put MP? Should he bump Tanev or Copp out for a few games or let Copp center 82 & 28 and keep Petan in purgatory?
And perhaps the most important reason for this to be settled is so we have a 4th line that PoMo trusts enough to play significant minutes, otherwise I'm afraid Scheifele and Wheeler will be shells of themselves come playoff time....

Okay folks, the get together at The Pint is on. I have reserved an area for 10-20 (more is fine and "the merrier") from 2:30-6:30 on Saturday January 12 before the Moose game. I'll provide the beer and wings. As I recall, Pete. Ross, Rexy and ?Ultimate? have already said they're in. Any and all are welcome.
As mentioned in previous posts, this is our Jets pilgrammage from Atlanta for 2 Moose games and 2 Jets games. Judging by the Jets fans we have met in Nashville and Tampa, I expect a good time will be had by all, and hopefully some new friendships as well.
..... a yes/no/ or maybe will be appreciated, but certainly not required.

Scott McLane

Peter. Nice statistic comparison of last year Jets to this years. I think the biggest difference is where we are in the standings. Nashville hasn't been as dominant this year and as a result instead of chasing them we have a 4 point credit with a game in hand. Nice !

Liverpool. I was about to broach the same subject with regards to our bottom players.
Statistically speaking, I would love to see Peter do a comparison this season of Tanev vs Perreault. Both have similar G, A , Pts,and GP. Perreault is -1 while Tanev is plus 2. Tanev also is way better when it comes to hits and being first in the o-zone to the puck Other than that I don't know how to post the skatr Comparison tool for this season but I believe it favors Tanev as well.

So one could argue quite easily the Tanev is a slightly better version of Perreault yet Perreault is at 4x the salary. Big ooops to Chevy on this one. Should have locked in Tanev for a few more years like I said in pre-season.. Dohhhh !

As for the Lemieux - Appleton debate. The eye test would say that Appleton is the superior skilled player while Lemieux is the gritter and in the dirtier areas type player. Probably has the better shot as well. I personally like Appleton over Lemieux but both deserve ice time so in Maurice we trust. Quite frankly on the offense side of things both players trend the same as Copp but that being said Copp is by far the better all- around and defensive player. Copp has hands of stone though.

Try comparing Laine to Lemieux just for fun. Other than goals I think they compare evenly in just about every other department when it comes to advanced stats. Crazy ! . So does all the other bubble Jets.

I'm giving Laine one more year though before I begin to start passing jundgment. A player of his age is supposed to work more on strength training over anerobic alatic or even anorobic Lactic type workouts that you see slightly older players like Sheif and Wheeler doing. Once he shifts into more of this you will really see his speed and endurance start to kick in.

Remember folks:
-Tanev is better than Perreault
-Lemieux is Laine’s equal if you take away his shot
-We don’t want Muzzin cause he plays in California

Remember folks:
-Tanev is better than Perreault
-Lemieux is Laine’s equal if you take away his shot
-We don’t want Muzzin cause he plays in California
- Rexypoo

Rexypoo, looks like you had quite the New Years Eve! You are making some profound statements.

Okay folks, the get together at The Pint is on. I have reserved an area for 10-20 (more is fine and "the merrier") from 2:30-6:30 on Saturday January 12 before the Moose game. I'll provide the beer and wings. As I recall, Pete. Ross, Rexy and ?Ultimate? have already said they're in. Any and all are welcome.
As mentioned in previous posts, this is our Jets pilgrammage from Atlanta for 2 Moose games and 2 Jets games. Judging by the Jets fans we have met in Nashville and Tampa, I expect a good time will be had by all, and hopefully some new friendships as well.
..... a yes/no/ or maybe will be appreciated, but certainly not required.

Scott McLane
- liverpoolnhl

Hi Scott, I will stop by for a bit.

Well someone said Lemieux brings nothing to the game. But, we saw his game last nite, in the crease greasy goal and infront deflection with only one penalty.

But you heard PoMo, he is rotating the kids in and out. I don't think there is any debate at all, just the question of having three 4th liners looking for ice time so PoMo is getting them in the game. Its the life of a 4th liner on a good team. Last nite, PoMo looks like a genius with Lemieux going in.

“Blind squirrel finds a nut” ok then,
Can PETE or Rexy explain this,
Petan - 5 goals in 108 games
Lemieux - 3 goals in 23 games
-both playing 4th line
-both playing similar minutes per game
-BUT Petan probably also has at least 10 min PP time where Lemieux has zero.

I like Petan over Lemieux, I really do, but this above does not help his case!!! At All!!!

“Blind squirrel finds a nut” ok then,
Can PETE or Rexy explain this,
Petan - 5 goals in 108 games
Lemieux - 3 goals in 23 games
-both playing 4th line
-both playing similar minutes per game
-BUT Petan probably also has at least 10 min PP time where Lemieux has zero.

I like Petan over Lemieux, I really do, but this above does not help his case!!! At All!!!
- Ross77

Lemieux has played a toal of 32 NHL games (23 this year) and he has 4 goals (3 this year) and 1 assist for 5 pts.

He is doing his job getting to the net and screening the goalie. The blind squirrel analogy is not quite fair. This is the game Lemieux is suppose to bring so no one can say he got lucky when he delivers.

“Blind squirrel finds a nut” ok then,
Can PETE or Rexy explain this,
Petan - 5 goals in 108 games
Lemieux - 3 goals in 23 games
-both playing 4th line
-both playing similar minutes per game
-BUT Petan probably also has at least 10 min PP time where Lemieux has zero.

I like Petan over Lemieux, I really do, but this above does not help his case!!! At All!!!
- Ross77

Just for fun go to this link and type in players names for some comparisons for this season. Ignore the context section. I know Peter uses this sometimes. I say for fun because all these advanced stats have very little meaning to me . I rank intangibles and eye test way higher than any of this.


1) Perreault vs Tanev . ( Tanev wins)
2) Laine vs Lemieux . ( Lemiuex actually wins but we all know Laine's goals and upside win out . Whats scary here is how bad he is at everything else right now)
3) Laine vs Appleton .
4) Appleton vs Lemieux

https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SkaterComparisonToolv2/Dashboard1

Rexypoo, looks like you had quite the New Years Eve! You are making some profound statements.
- TheUltimateJet

TNSE got to me

“Blind squirrel finds a nut” ok then,
Can PETE or Rexy explain this,
Petan - 5 goals in 108 games
Lemieux - 3 goals in 23 games
-both playing 4th line
-both playing similar minutes per game
-BUT Petan probably also has at least 10 min PP time where Lemieux has zero.

I like Petan over Lemieux, I really do, but this above does not help his case!!! At All!!!
- Ross77

Petan is not a goal scorer, Petan has a much bigger impact on every facet of the game in all situations, and judging a player based only on individual goal scoring is a terrible idea

Lemieux has played a toal of 32 NHL games (23 this year) and he has 4 goals (3 this year) and 1 assist for 5 pts.

He is doing his job getting to the net and screening the goalie. The blind squirrel analogy is not quite fair. This is the game Lemieux is suppose to bring so no one can say he got lucky when he delivers.
- CharlieDog

I’ll admit he had a decent last game, but I can absolutely say he got lucky when he’s usually completely out of the play whenever he’s out there

Lemieux has played a toal of 32 NHL games (23 this year) and he has 4 goals (3 this year) and 1 assist for 5 pts.

He is doing his job getting to the net and screening the goalie. The blind squirrel analogy is not quite fair. This is the game Lemieux is suppose to bring so no one can say he got lucky when he delivers.
- CharlieDog

The other thing I heard today at the presser was that Lemieux is fantastic at deflecting pucks in front of the net. Maurice says he has really great hands and a damn good shot. These are the little things that make the difference. You see none of this from Petan, possibly not Appleton. Its a development to watch. They will all get ice time though.

Petan is not a goal scorer, Petan has a much bigger impact on every facet of the game in all situations, and judging a player based only on individual goal scoring is a terrible idea
- Rexypoo

What situations does he impact? He doesn’t hit, doesn’t kill penalties, blew his chance last year on 2nd PP unit, he does take stupid penalties (not as bad as Lemieux but still takes too many for his ice time) And he doesn’t have some boatload or assists. So yes, he can make a nice pass and can show some nice anylitics that have not yet led to anything directly impacting a game.

The other thing I heard today at the presser was that Lemieux is fantastic at deflecting pucks in front of the net. Maurice says he has really great hands and a damn good shot. These are the little things that make the difference. You see none of this from Petan, possibly not Appleton. Its a development to watch. They will all get ice time though.
- jetsnation

Bad thing about the Lemieux though is that he is an idiot off the ice and it will catch up to him, don’t wish to share the story I was told by friends but it’s not good. Lemieux is on the evander Kane path off the rink.

Bad thing about the Lemieux though is that he is an idiot off the ice and it will catch up to him, don’t wish to share the story I was told by friends but it’s not good. Lemieux is on the evander Kane path off the rink.
- Ross77

Agreed Ross. I heard similar things. Very flashy kid. I don't think it translates into anything on the ice but one wonders how much he is liked in the locker room by any players outside his small Moose clique.

Bad thing about the Lemieux though is that he is an idiot off the ice and it will catch up to him, don’t wish to share the story I was told by friends but it’s not good. Lemieux is on the evander Kane path off the rink.
- Ross77

That is not positive news. Where there is smoke, there usually is fire. So, long term it will catch up with him in the fish bowl of Wpg.

What situations does he impact? He doesn’t hit, doesn’t kill penalties, blew his chance last year on 2nd PP unit, he does take stupid penalties (not as bad as Lemieux but still takes too many for his ice time) And he doesn’t have some boatload or assists. So yes, he can make a nice pass and can show some nice anylitics that have not yet led to anything directly impacting a game.
- Ross77

I mean, it has lead to him impacting the game. He produces at a rather high rate for his ice time, and using counting stats over rate to decide his effectiveness isn’t going to tell you anything other than he doesn’t play enough

I mean, it has lead to him impacting the game. He produces at a rather high rate for his ice time, and using counting stats over rate to decide his effectiveness isn’t going to tell you anything other than he doesn’t play enough
- Rexypoo

Counting stats will always out weigh projection stats. This will never change.

If he produces well for his ice time and Lemieux is producing more in far fewer games what does this tell
You?

I mean, it has lead to him impacting the game. He produces at a rather high rate for his ice time, and using counting stats over rate to decide his effectiveness isn’t going to tell you anything other than he doesn’t play enough
- Rexypoo

But like I said, he doesn’t fit the true north model of what player needs to be like off the ice and this will catch up and cost him a spot on this team. Be patient