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2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jan 3 @ 12:35 PM ET
Would anyone trade Patrick Laine for Matthew Tkachuk ? I just wonder if we would be a better team if we had not won 2nd spot in the lottery and ended up with Tkachuk in our normal 6th position. He's a heckuva all-around hockey player and getting better every year vs the pure goal scorer in Laine.

BTW...I'd do this trade but I don't think Calgary would entertain it.

- jetsnation


I like Laine, what he does gets me jumping out of my couch. My issues with him are that the cycle ends when the puck reaches him unless it's for a shot, too many times flat-footed, turnovers, defensive errors. Probably all these areas will improve with time as I do think he is working hard and his efforts will continue to get better.

The biggest issue is that there are better assets that will do more to help your overall team game in 2019 and likely for the next couple years also when Hatrick Laine is making 10+. Keeping him likely means losing 2 of Trouba, Morrissey, Ehlers and Connor in the next couple years. A trade for a 40 goal scorer such as Tarysanko and a little more rounded game gets us closer to the cup when considering depth and the window.

Tkachuk is not a gain in 2019, I will pass on that one.
CharlieDog
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Jan 3 @ 12:36 PM ET
Hmmm. Laine has 24 goals and 31 points . Tkachuk has 18 goals and 47 points and heading for at least 90 pts. Both play on the 2nd line . Both drafted the same year and essentially the same age. Tkachuk is a very complete player at both ends of the ice. Laine is a long way from being a complete player. You say Tkachuk is due for regression....lol. Based on what ? Your gut feeling ? So far you've been wrong on just about every player you've ever mentioned. If I were Chevy I'd be picking up the phone right now and doing the trade just based on the fact that Rexy said its a bad deal. Its an uncanny ability you have to get everything so wrong. You'd be very valuable to a lot of stock market contrarian traders, that's for sure.

Compare the two using your own most valuable tool....

https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SkaterComparisonToolv2/Dashboard1

- jetsnation


I didn't even look at Tkachuks stats this year and he is on a steep trajectory, might be his big breakout 90 pt season. Yikes, maybe we would have been better off with the #6 pick that year as he is a hell of a player.

I still think that Laine is a great asset now or in the future. He would likely fair better with a centre like Statsny to centre him and mentor/educate him. The chemistry with Little just isn't bringing out his best and that line is just not in sync imop.

But as an overall player, Laine is not there yet. He needs to subscribe to the Mark Scheifle off season work out regimen and the Wheeler drive mindset.

After hearing Buff yelling at him to move it, you have to wonder what these guys like Buff, Wheeler, Scheif think about his effort and play tho. It makes me wonder.
CharlieDog
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Jan 3 @ 12:49 PM ET
I like Laine, what he does gets me jumping out of my couch. My issues with him are that the cycle ends when the puck reaches him unless it's for a shot, too many times flat-footed, turnovers, defensive errors. Probably all these areas will improve with time as I do think he is working hard and his efforts will continue to get better.

The biggest issue is that there are better assets that will do more to help your overall team game in 2019 and likely for the next couple years also when Hatrick Laine is making 10+. Keeping him likely means losing 2 of Trouba, Morrissey, Ehlers and Connor in the next couple years. A trade for a 40 goal scorer such as Tarysanko and a little more rounded game gets us closer to the cup when considering depth and the window.

Tkachuk is not a gain in 2019, I will pass on that one.

- 2.0


Tarasyncko won't like the weather, the food, or the air in Wpg. I guess we could trade for him and after, when he is not happy, which will surely happen, he can retire early and go the KHL.

I shouldn't stereotype but .....................
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jan 3 @ 1:01 PM ET
Tarasyncko won't like the weather, the food, or the air in Wpg. I guess we could trade for him and after, when he is not happy, which will surely happen, he can retire early and go the KHL.

I shouldn't stereotype but .....................

- CharlieDog


I'm not stuck on Tarasynko, there are others in the league that may be available. I would give up some goals and some years to gain more rounded play and a few million per year.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jan 3 @ 1:07 PM ET
I'm not stuck on Tarasynko, there are others in the league that may be available. I would give up some goals and some years to gain more rounded play and a few million per year.
- 2.0


I would want the Russian either. I think Tkachuk at the same age and maybe a savings of $3 MM per year is the perfect combination. There is no chance Calgary would ever consider it though.
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jan 3 @ 1:36 PM ET
Would Frolik be a fit for the Jets again? said to be looking for a left shot depth D. Perhaps morrow and Petan?
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 3 @ 2:32 PM ET
Would Frolik be a fit for the Jets again? said to be looking for a left shot depth D. Perhaps morrow and Petan?
- 2.0


Its nice we are having a discussion about trading for wingers. I don't think this team needs anymore wingers. this team needs a legit center to take some pressure of Scheifele. If I am making any trades that involve Laine, I would want them to involve a player like Barkov, Barzal, Aho and the like coming back. We are ridiculously strong on the wing, we desperately need depth down the middle.

CorydonKeith
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 01.22.2014

Jan 3 @ 2:39 PM ET
Its nice we are having a discussion about trading for wingers. I don't think this team needs anymore wingers. this team needs a legit center to take some pressure of Scheifele. If I am making any trades that involve Laine, I would want them to involve a player like Barkov, Barzal, Aho and the like coming back. We are ridiculously strong on the wing, we desperately need depth down the middle.
- TheUltimateJet


Ultimate - thank you ! ... we need strength down the middle and depth on D (mostly, left side)

Unless, of course, closer to the deadline we suffer one or more catastrophic injuries
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jan 3 @ 4:32 PM ET
Ultimate - thank you ! ... we need strength down the middle and depth on D (mostly, left side)

Unless, of course, closer to the deadline we suffer one or more catastrophic injuries

- CorydonKeith



I agree that the bigger need is strength down the middle but the most salient deal is often the best one. Frolik could end the carousel of wingers swapping in and out (barring injury) and create a more viable fourth line reducing injury risk upstream. PK depth would benefit. Clear strength at wing would lend itself to making a more aggressive trade for centre and defensive depth. Moving project players aside allows for better advance opportunities for players such as poolman, nogier and niku.
CorydonKeith
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 01.22.2014

Jan 3 @ 5:00 PM ET
Guys - Frolik is not coming back ... it was his girlfriend/wife that demanded they move from Winnipeg ... I know this from nieces/nephews who were acquainted with them

Fishbowl Winnipeg
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Jan 3 @ 5:04 PM ET
Hmmm. Laine has 24 goals and 31 points . Tkachuk has 18 goals and 47 points and heading for at least 90 pts. Both play on the 2nd line . Both drafted the same year and essentially the same age. Tkachuk is a very complete player at both ends of the ice. Laine is a long way from being a complete player. You say Tkachuk is due for regression....lol. Based on what ? Your gut feeling ? So far you've been wrong on just about every player you've ever mentioned. If I were Chevy I'd be picking up the phone right now and doing the trade just based on the fact that Rexy said its a bad deal. Its an uncanny ability you have to get everything so wrong. You'd be very valuable to a lot of stock market contrarian traders, that's for sure.

Compare the two using your own most valuable tool....

https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SkaterComparisonToolv2/Dashboard1

- jetsnation


Well, for one, he’s shooting at 18.9% on a previous average of just over 10%, which is a simple and obvious sign he’s going to regress. This is especially obvious when he’s not shooting any more than he has been previously. He’s not hitting 90 points. Expect 70.

Another issue is you praising his defence and play driving ability. He has not historically been a needle mover on the play driving side, and spends a lot of time with two of the best defensive/play driving forwards in the NHL in Backlund and Frolik. When he’s away from them? He’s got Johnny Hockey and Monahan. He’s had pillowy soft deployment, constant defensive and puck possession support, and has less to show for it than Laine. This is not a knock on him, so much as it is a huge tip of the cap to Calgary for setting him up perfectly for his development. He’s just not as good as Laine is.

Laine, on the other hand, spends all his time with Little (who struggles with both defence and play driving), Stastny (the line was okay, but ran a 108 PDO), Ehlers (stylistically opposite, no chemistry), and Connor (same issue as Little, now in a slump). Laine not playing with Scheifele is the only reason this was ever even a conversation, and that’s totally on Maurice

As a side note, it’s nice that you were able to argue something without resorting to insults or name calling. You’ve learned to debate in a polite and respectful manner. Very refreshing to see *HEAVY SARCASM FONT*
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Jan 3 @ 5:27 PM ET
Its nice we are having a discussion about trading for wingers. I don't think this team needs anymore wingers. this team needs a legit center to take some pressure of Scheifele. If I am making any trades that involve Laine, I would want them to involve a player like Barkov, Barzal, Aho and the like coming back. We are ridiculously strong on the wing, we desperately need depth down the middle.
- TheUltimateJet


The thing is we really don’t need another centre. Putting the Perreault-Little-Ehlers line back together, moving Laine up with Scheifele and one of 19/82/28 on the other wing, and moving Lowry into a heavier, Tanevless role with, let’s say, with Wheeler and Connor would immediately solve all of our problems (in this version, Copp is 4C with the remaining 82/28/19 duo)

We don’t have a forward depth problem. We have a Maurice simultaneously overexposing or underutilizing every forward on the roster at once.
Overexposed:
-Wheeler and Scheifele (too much time, misused)
-Laine, Little, Connor, and Ehlers (matched with wrong players/struggling)
-Lemieux, Roslovic, and Tanev (in over their heads/miscast)
Underutilized:
-Lowry, Perreault, Petan, Perreault, Copp, and Perreault (not playing enough, or high enough in the lineup)
-Appleton, and (earlier) Vesalainen (not given opportunities in offensive roles/top 9)
CharlieDog
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Jan 3 @ 6:31 PM ET
Guys - Frolik is not coming back ... it was his girlfriend/wife that demanded they move from Winnipeg ... I know this from nieces/nephews who were acquainted with them

Fishbowl Winnipeg

- CorydonKeith


Yep, i actually typed up the exact same response and deleted without posting. But, yep, Froliks wife ain't coming back so neither is he. Plus his agent Walsh is a bit of pia. Jets apparently also offered him the same or near same salary and we know the rest of story.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jan 3 @ 7:59 PM ET
Well, for one, he’s shooting at 18.9% on a previous average of just over 10%, which is a simple and obvious sign he’s going to regress. This is especially obvious when he’s not shooting any more than he has been previously. He’s not hitting 90 points. Expect 70.

Another issue is you praising his defence and play driving ability. He has not historically been a needle mover on the play driving side, and spends a lot of time with two of the best defensive/play driving forwards in the NHL in Backlund and Frolik. When he’s away from them? He’s got Johnny Hockey and Monahan. He’s had pillowy soft deployment, constant defensive and puck possession support, and has less to show for it than Laine. This is not a knock on him, so much as it is a huge tip of the cap to Calgary for setting him up perfectly for his development. He’s just not as good as Laine is.

Laine, on the other hand, spends all his time with Little (who struggles with both defence and play driving), Stastny (the line was okay, but ran a 108 PDO), Ehlers (stylistically opposite, no chemistry), and Connor (same issue as Little, now in a slump). Laine not playing with Scheifele is the only reason this was ever even a conversation, and that’s totally on Maurice

As a side note, it’s nice that you were able to argue something without resorting to insults or name calling. You’ve learned to debate in a polite and respectful manner. Very refreshing to see *HEAVY SARCASM FONT*

- Rexypoo


This is nothing more than a ton of bad excuses ( coaching, linemates, blah blah) for the fact that Tkachuk with an estimated contract that will be $3 MM less than Laine is by far the better choice for the Jets and would be a great trade. Truth of the matter is that Laine is making Little and Connor worse , not the other way around. It seems whoever plays with Laine 5 vs 5 suffers.

Only time will tell . Obviously ,Laine will get better with age as I've argued and supported in other threads but as an overall player he will always be playing catchup to where Tkachuk already is and will be.

Jets did make a trade today BTW....small potatoes though.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jan 3 @ 9:38 PM ET
Ultimate - thank you ! ... we need strength down the middle and depth on D (mostly, left side)

Unless, of course, closer to the deadline we suffer one or more catastrophic injuries

- CorydonKeith

I think this team is weakest at right shot D. Maybe not this season but With Myers and Trouba’s future here in question and our only right shot D prospect being Green, it is by far our weakest organizational depth position.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Jan 4 @ 12:45 AM ET
I think this team is weakest at right shot D. Maybe not this season but With Myers and Trouba’s future here in question and our only right shot D prospect being Green, it is by far our weakest organizational depth position.
- Ross77


You’re not wrong. Myers should walk regardless of Trouba. If Trouba goes, it’s literally Green, with an honourable mention to Niku if Maurice ever trusts him to play his off-side
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Jan 4 @ 12:51 AM ET
This is nothing more than a ton of bad excuses ( coaching, linemates, blah blah) for the fact that Tkachuk with an estimated contract that will be $3 MM less than Laine is by far the better choice for the Jets and would be a great trade. Truth of the matter is that Laine is making Little and Connor worse , not the other way around. It seems whoever plays with Laine 5 vs 5 suffers.

Only time will tell . Obviously ,Laine will get better with age as I've argued and supported in other threads but as an overall player he will always be playing catchup to where Tkachuk already is and will be.

Jets did make a trade today BTW....small potatoes though.

- jetsnation


This simply isn’t true. Tkachuk will make less because he’s worth less, and not as good a player. I’d still love to have him, but he’s not as good.

Little and Ehlers struggle with Laine.
Little because aged out of play driving and defensive capabilities, Ehlers because no chemistry whatsoever.
Connor struggles with anyone who can’t keep the puck moving up the ice, and he’ll grow out of it, but he’s a pure finisher right now.
Scheifele has actually performed better with Laine than he has with Wheeler, or anyone else. I guarantee when this coach grows some balls, and breaks up his favourite pairing, A LOT of players will see massive jumps in performance. Laine is suffering, just like Connor and Little, not by his own ability, but by his deployment.

I propose:
19/28-55-29
81-17-26
85-18-27
19/28-9-13

Appleton to the Moose just to pile up points, and gets Tanev’s spot next season
liverpoolnhl
Joined: 02.06.2018

Jan 4 @ 7:59 AM ET
You’re not wrong. Myers should walk regardless of Trouba. If Trouba goes, it’s literally Green, with an honourable mention to Niku if Maurice ever trusts him to play his off-side
- Rexypoo

Are we saying Poolman is a bust?.....
CharlieDog
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Jan 4 @ 8:09 AM ET
Are we saying Poolman is a bust?.....
- liverpoolnhl


And Nogier is a bust? These two fit the TN model so I don’t understand how we drop to Green so quickly.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Jan 4 @ 8:13 AM ET
Are we saying Poolman is a bust?.....
- liverpoolnhl


We’re saying I completely forgot about Poolman.

Big whoopsie daisy
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Jan 4 @ 8:14 AM ET
And Nogier is a bust? These two fit the TN model so I don’t understand how we drop to Green so quickly.
- CharlieDog


Nogier isn’t a bust, so much as he is a player that isn’t making the NHL, and was never expected to. His numbers with the Jets aren’t good, and he hasn’t really shown himself to be anything special in the A yet either. Hope he makes it, probably won’t.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jan 4 @ 10:35 AM ET
This simply isn’t true. Tkachuk will make less because he’s worth less, and not as good a player. I’d still love to have him, but he’s not as good.

Little and Ehlers struggle with Laine.
Little because aged out of play driving and defensive capabilities, Ehlers because no chemistry whatsoever.
Connor struggles with anyone who can’t keep the puck moving up the ice, and he’ll grow out of it, but he’s a pure finisher right now.
Scheifele has actually performed better with Laine than he has with Wheeler, or anyone else. I guarantee when this coach grows some balls, and breaks up his favourite pairing, A LOT of players will see massive jumps in performance. Laine is suffering, just like Connor and Little, not by his own ability, but by his deployment.

I propose:
19/28-55-29
81-17-26
85-18-27
19/28-9-13

Appleton to the Moose just to pile up points, and gets Tanev’s spot next season

- Rexypoo

I’d love to see these lines at least tried
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jan 4 @ 10:37 AM ET
Are we saying Poolman is a bust?.....
- liverpoolnhl

Not at all! But at 25 he’s not a prospect and although I like him not sure he’s more than a 5-6 guy.
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