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Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jan 7 @ 7:52 AM ET
Jan Levine: Game 41: AZ 5 NYR 0, ugliness continues, showing no signs of abating, Zucc Third straight embarrassing defeat for Blueshirts, Brooks on Zucc
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Jan 7 @ 8:05 AM ET
Jan Levine: Game 41: AZ 5 NYR 0, ugliness continues, showing no signs of abating, Zucc
Third straight embarrassing defeat for Blueshirts, Brooks on Zucc

- airjan23

Playoff push starts in Vegas
Blueshirts16
New York Rangers
Location: Rangers Sweep Icelanders...go , NY
Joined: 07.28.2009

Jan 7 @ 8:16 AM ET
#DROPOforKAAPO

The plummet is in full effect
disorca
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 07.01.2015

Jan 7 @ 8:33 AM ET
Not surprised/shocked of what is happening right now. This is why we should not commit to anyone long term and focus on replenishing the system and developing elite talent. Hayes/Kreider are NOT elite talent and will never carry this team to the promise land. You need a legit #1 Center, a legit #1 scorer to be an offensive threat. You have to trade off guys like Zucc, Kreider, Hayes, etc.. in order to tighten the odds we land a great player. Lundqvist will soon realize his only cup chance is out of town and the waiver finally appeals to him. What goalie doesn't want a cup? Don't give me this garbage and talk about his good guy routine. I don't feel bad for him 1 bit. Loyalty has screwed this franchise throughout the years and hasn't learned when to move on with these players.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Rangertown, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jan 7 @ 8:35 AM ET
Not surprised/shocked of what is happening right now. This is why we should not commit to anyone long term and focus on replenishing the system and developing elite talent. Hayes/Kreider are NOT elite talent and will never carry this team to the promise land. You need a legit #1 Center, a legit #1 scorer to be an offensive threat. You have to trade off guys like Zucc, Kreider, Hayes, etc.. in order to tighten the odds we land a great player. Lundqvist will soon realize his only cup chance is out of town and the waiver finally appeals to him. What goalie doesn't want a cup? Don't give me this garbage and talk about his good guy routine. I don't feel bad for him 1 bit. Loyalty has screwed this franchise throughout the years and hasn't learned when to move on with these players.
- disorca


well I've been on board with trading Hayes because I think his trade value is through the roof, but he hasn't played the last few games and they have never looked worse, I actually think it kind of proves how important he is when you look at it that way.
Blueshirts16
New York Rangers
Location: Rangers Sweep Icelanders...go , NY
Joined: 07.28.2009

Jan 7 @ 8:35 AM ET
I’d trade anyone other than the kids on this team. Anyone!
I’d like to see them have 4 first round picks (Their one pick, Tampa wins the cup and we get theirs, and then 2 more from trades of Hayes and Zucc).

And if anyone really, really wants Kreider...get another first rounder plus

And if they could trade Shatty, I’d do it in a heartbeat

Complete overhaul
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Rangertown, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jan 7 @ 8:48 AM ET
I’d trade anyone other than the kids on this team. Anyone!
I’d like to see them have 4 first round picks (Their one pick, Tampa wins the cup and we get theirs, and then 2 more from trades of Hayes and Zucc).

And if anyone really, really wants Kreider...get another first rounder plus

And if they could trade Shatty, I’d do it in a heartbeat

Complete overhaul

- Blueshirts16


dude, there isn't a chance they can get a first rounder for Zucc

in fact, if someone was offering a 2nd right now they should absolutely take it and run and not look back
Dundee13
New York Rangers
Joined: 08.12.2014

Jan 7 @ 9:04 AM ET
Freefall: heard T B comment this is what F F is like or when it started ....

well the freefall started when Gorts letter hit the media last Feb.
were throwing in the towel ..REBUILDING &SELLING ..
then u start the season with vets mostly who arent part of the rebuild....
or wont be when it actually starts .just because u traded off last deadline
what do we show playing today from those trades ..VETS like namestikov
our D is so bad why kep playing guys who aint gonna be a factor

CANT BELEIVE THE TEAM PAUSED IN REBUILD TO THINK ABIOUT POSSIBLE PO'S

whats happening to Zucc will get worse with team ,call it the law of diminishing returns ... the longer u waited to move guys the more chance of then losing value with team in a no win we dont have the talent to win team...

Gorts knew this & still sits on hands as deals get done in front of him
players losing value & no moves & play is BAD .. overwelmed is what i see

Buchnevich has more asst's giving other team goals set ups than with his own team
WHEN DOESA HE SHOW HIS TARESENKO LIKE SKILL

CHTYL ANDERSON HOWDEN ; when do they show there elite level of talent
that they belong in NHL as anything more than a 3rd 4th line player ?

Pionk ,Shey ,ADA gotta keep sumbody to play BUT the rest ? why are they here ?

get the kids from Conn and let em play

shatty ,staal smith,Clausen,Mcquad gotta go
# asap FIRESALE
this is nothing then a team abusing its fan base
i can say i have called it accurately from the start ,no defelctions just facts

WE ARE GETTING SCREWED ROYALLY BY NYR MGMT WITH HORRIBLE TEAM
WITH NO FIX IN SITE ... TOLD U ALL THIS IS A WASTE LAND TYPE SEASON

MAY TAKE ANOTHER DEAD YEAR ...CAN U IMAGINE THAT

GOTTA GET ACTIVE ,STOP HOLDING ONTO FOR THE BETTER PICK HIGHER UP
JUST DUMP THIS TEAM & REALLY START THE REBUILD .....
Blueshirts16
New York Rangers
Location: Rangers Sweep Icelanders...go , NY
Joined: 07.28.2009

Jan 7 @ 9:05 AM ET
dude, there isn't a chance they can get a first rounder for Zucc

in fact, if someone was offering a 2nd right now they should absolutely take it and run and not look back

- jimbro83


Absolutely!
I only said that out of hope. They did get one in the Nash deal so there is hope. I know they took salary back in that deal which is why they probably got the first...
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Rangertown, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jan 7 @ 9:09 AM ET
Absolutely!
I only said that out of hope. They did get one in the Nash deal so there is hope. I know they took salary back in that deal which is why they probably got the first...

- Blueshirts16


that's another issue they have

you can only hold salary on two players and they are already holding salary on Spooner

so they have to be really picky which deal they do it again on because they can only have 1 more
Dundee13
New York Rangers
Joined: 08.12.2014

Jan 7 @ 9:22 AM ET
Only issue NYR mgmt has is

Do you trade Zbad or Hayes ...... NOT keeping both as #2 center

Once You find a Grade A #1.....asap

Another NEW issue ..TRADE FOR BURAKOVSKY from caps ....OVER PAY a lil
Dundee13
New York Rangers
Joined: 08.12.2014

Jan 7 @ 9:27 AM ET
I wish we had Pitts G M ,he is a lightening rod amongst G M's

Gorts like SLats aint gotten it done and aint gettin it done .....

I like Pro active guys who find & make deals ...
If Pitt ever pulled a "Rebuild" move it would implode the fan base & no one would come to see them ..No one in Pitt pays to see losing mastered for an indefinite period of time ...

the deals for Haglin & Kessel got them 2 cups + other great out of box moves

we never get that ,Vanilla close to the vest plans..# AFRAID
climbdenali12
New York Rangers
Location: MSG sec 226 Row 19 Seats 23-24
Joined: 11.18.2008

Jan 7 @ 9:32 AM ET
I wish we had Pitts G M ,he is a lightening rod amongst G M's

Gorts like SLats aint gotten it done and aint gettin it done .....

I like Pro active guys who find & make deals ...
If Pitt ever pulled a "Rebuild" move it would implode the fan base & no one would come to see them ..No one in Pitt pays to see losing mastered for an indefinite period of time ...

the deals for Haglin & Kessel got them 2 cups + other great out of box moves

we never get that ,Vanilla close to the vest plans..# AFRAID

- Dundee13


The Rangers management could have given up whatever to get Hagelin and Kessel and it would not have mattered in regards to winning because we didn't have a Crosby and Malkin.
mrn22
New York Rangers
Location: stay away from chiefs wife, she left him, CT
Joined: 05.22.2014

Jan 7 @ 9:39 AM ET
well I've been on board with trading Hayes because I think his trade value is through the roof, but he hasn't played the last few games and they have never looked worse, I actually think it kind of proves how important he is when you look at it that way.
- jimbro83




what do you think the return on Kreider would be?
climbdenali12
New York Rangers
Location: MSG sec 226 Row 19 Seats 23-24
Joined: 11.18.2008

Jan 7 @ 9:43 AM ET


what do you think the return on Kreider would be?

- mrn22


I would say a 1st, an A prospect, and then some filler B prospect to start...depending on the market and the desperation of a team maybe more. Any acquiring team would be getting him for 2 Postseason in theory so similar to McDonagh in that regard
Dundee13
New York Rangers
Joined: 08.12.2014

Jan 7 @ 9:50 AM ET
The Rangers management could have given up whatever to get Hagelin and Kessel and it would not have mattered in regards to winning because we didn't have a Crosby and Malkin.
- climbdenali12

Missed the pt.
Pitt GM identified his teams needs & went out of the box against what pundits called good deals to get players who had /have the talent & fit in...

we never try that here ,always gotta get top value or dont want to take a move and
finish it
I E trade for Nash but never get him the top center to play with

Attempt with Old man Richards never panned out , never tried again...
why get Nash when you dont surround him with grade A talent to play with

we never have had a top center since ... Messier , havent won a cup since too ....
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Jan 7 @ 10:00 AM ET


what do you think the return on Kreider would be?

- mrn22

I think its time you change the avatar
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Jan 7 @ 10:04 AM ET
Missed the pt.
Pitt GM identified his teams needs & went out of the box against what pundits called good deals to get players who had /have the talent & fit in...

we never try that here ,always gotta get top value or dont want to take a move and
finish it
I E trade for Nash but never get him the top center to play with

Attempt with Old man Richards never panned out , never tried again...
why get Nash when you dont surround him with grade A talent to play with

we never have had a top center since ... Messier , havent won a cup since too ....

- Dundee13

I disagree. The Rangers went out and made a bunch of trades to try and get them over the top. It's part of the reason they didn't have a 1st round pick from like 2013-2016 or whatever the years were. Sometimes trades don't work out, its part of the risk.

Also its extremely hard to find top line centers.
mrn22
New York Rangers
Location: stay away from chiefs wife, she left him, CT
Joined: 05.22.2014

Jan 7 @ 10:15 AM ET
I think its time you change the avatar
- TPC


you're probably right man

I love Kreider but if they can sell high on him and resign Hayes then Im doing it
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Jan 7 @ 10:18 AM ET
you're probably right man

I love Kreider but if they can sell high on him and resign Hayes then Im doing it

- mrn22

I have already dug my hole on this...I have to take Kreider to the grave with me. Legit we will share a coffin
Bobd62
New York Rangers
Location: Hauppauge, NY
Joined: 11.14.2015

Jan 7 @ 10:20 AM ET
It’s a shame nyr won’t hire Dundee as gm! If he was we would win the Stanley cup next year! He has all the answers!
mrn22
New York Rangers
Location: stay away from chiefs wife, she left him, CT
Joined: 05.22.2014

Jan 7 @ 10:25 AM ET
I have already dug my hole on this...I have to take Kreider to the grave with me. Legit we will share a coffin
- TPC


ya true you are chained to him

I just think about his next deal and what kinda money he is going to be making while starting the deal at 29...
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Jan 7 @ 10:28 AM ET
ya true you are chained to him

I just think about his next deal and what kinda money he is going to be making while starting the deal at 29...

- mrn22

Yea if he gets close to 40 goals this year and next year it won't be cheap
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jan 7 @ 10:47 AM ET
Pronman on Hughes and Kakko:
Jack Hughes, C, USA, 2019: Jack Hughes missed half of the tournament due to an injury, but when he was healthy he played well and USA’s coach trusted him with plenty of ice time. His skating is off the charts and anytime he’s around the play he adds an extra gear to the pace. He showed flashes of his playmaking ability but it wasn’t consistent. He didn’t hurt his draft stock but didn’t do a ton to move the needle.

Kaapo Kakko, LW, Finland, 2019: Kakko scored the Golden Goal but also was an important player for Finland throughout the tournament. He showed a lot of skill and offensive creativity and made some unique plays. He combined that by showing he could overpower guys despite being a double underage, just as he’s done versus men. His speed’s never been great for me but he looked pro-average here. His strong tournament and great Liiga season combined with his skills have made me think the top of the draft is a 1A/1B situation.
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: You're exactly the problem with trying to have a conversation on here. - Tanner
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jan 7 @ 10:47 AM ET
you're probably right man

I love Kreider but if they can sell high on him and resign Hayes then Im doing it

- mrn22


I do every thing I can to trade Zib and keep Hayes and Kreids together
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