Agree. We just have to think back to some of the desperation trades we made prior to the play-offs in the '90's. Gave up draft picks for "really good" veteran players. Yup. And how many cups did we win then?
- Leafsmart

Is Rick Nash skating with the Leafs yet? Soon.

We gotta take a swing THIS season.

We don't need to gut anything, but this team is ridiculously soft and will be bitch slapped in the playoffs if it's not adequately addressed.

Guys like Jay Beagle are the types of targets that should be pursued.
- As_I_See_It

Take a swing if it’s worth it and not just for the sake of taking a swing....you don’t want to mess up the next 5 years trying something now that might backfire

Take a swing if it’s worth it and not just for the sake of taking a swing....you don’t want to mess up the next 5 years trying something now that might backfire
- RatedR80

I hear ya, but with Matthews, Marner, Kapanen and Johnsson still on their ELC's and the cap we'll have available.........

I just hope that Babs and Dubas see eye-to-eye on what the team needs.

Found this little gem in Ek's thread. I never go in there, perhaps I should.

Pretty sure that was a joke



I would want..
2019 1st
2019 3rd
2020 2nd (becomes a 1st if they win a Cup this year or next year)
Top prospect/player

With the Hawks retaining ~1-1.5 million depending on what player comes back.

If they did the trade with the leafs, I'd want Kap as the player and we'd retain 1.5 million.
- RedRevenge

So to recap, Chicago gets a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round draft pick, plus Kasperi Kapanen in exchange for Duncan Keith whom they will generously retain 1.5 mil per season.

I hear ya, but with Matthews, Marner, Kapanen and Johnsson still on their ELC's and the cap we'll have available.........

I just hope that Babs and Dubas see eye-to-eye on what the team needs.
- As_I_See_It

#offersheetsgalore

Okay, honest assessment of the LEafs.

I think they are just at that midseason low point that many teams hit. Seem low energy. Give them a few weeks and they will wake up...
- Hockey_Reverend

Nah. Theres a pattern now.

Outperform all sleeping teams at the start of the season until the 20ish game mark.

Defeat all non-playoff teams MOST of the time.

Lose or barely win once in a while against actual cup contenders.

Lose 99% of the time a reall hard physical game is played.


After 3 years now, this is clearly built to be a playoff-> making, in-season, team. Not a cup contender yet. They can compete but will have a horrible time winning against Boston, Washington & Tampa as it currently stands.

Found this little gem in Ek's thread. I never go in there, perhaps I should.



So to recap, Chicago gets a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round draft pick, plus Kasperi Kapanen in exchange for Duncan Keith whom they will generously retain 1.5 mil per season.
- BetterCallSaul

Oh...

I don't think anyone routinely says that for any reason other than to get you spinning. Does the defence need improvement? Without question. I don't think that needs to resolved by big game hunting as you keep blowing your trumpet for. Improving on/replacing Hainsey and Ozhiganov would go a long way in elevating the blue line, without gouging the strength of the team.
- BetterCallSaul

False.

Trading Nylander and Johnsson is not gouging the offensive strength of the team. It barely puts a dent in it overall.

If anything, it gives the Leafs a new strength; balance.

And if the defense that they are bringing in are Hamilton and/or Pietrangelo, they still put up offense too so they really aren't losing more than they gain.

Well if their 15 million dollar offer-sheet superstar could stay onside maybe the would be able to beat a team once in a while.
- Aetherial

in the spirit of ripping Willie NoShowSinceISignedLander....

with Hyman drawing back into the lineup against the Devils, is it time "little Willy" took a seat in the press box?

there's no way that Babcock would be that courageous... I would like to see it.

I hear ya, but with Matthews, Marner, Kapanen and Johnsson still on their ELC's and the cap we'll have available.........

I just hope that Babs and Dubas see eye-to-eye on what the team needs.
- As_I_See_It

No one should be worried about offer sheets yet....yes everyone will get paid but still....also during the summer a team can go over the cap just as long as they bring it down before the season begins....you guys aren’t losing anyone of import....as far as filling in the gaps yes you can make trades or you can trust Dubas and his ability to draft and acquire young/cheap talent to fill in the gaps

in the spirit of ripping Willie NoShowSinceISignedLander....

with Hyman drawing back into the lineup against the Devils, is it time "little Willy" took a seat in the press box?

there's no way that Babcock would be that courageous... I would like to see it.
- BorjeFan4Ever

He's also not that stupid. The last thing Nylander needs to get his game back is to sit. He's behind because he wasn't playing. Not playing him won't fix that.

False.

Trading Nylander and Johnsson is not gouging the offensive strength of the team. It barely puts a dent in it overall.

If anything, it gives the Leafs a new strength; balance.

And if the defense that they are bringing in are Hamilton and/or Pietrangelo, they still put up offense too so they really aren't losing more than they gain.
- Unholy_Goalie

And this is why you're a damn idiot

He's also not that stupid. The last thing Nylander needs to get his game back is to sit. He's behind because he wasn't playing. Not playing him won't fix that.
- Unholy_Goalie

For once I agree. Bill needs to play through it.

Found this little gem in Ek's thread. I never go in there, perhaps I should.



So to recap, Chicago gets a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round draft pick, plus Kasperi Kapanen in exchange for Duncan Keith whom they will generously retain 1.5 mil per season.
- BetterCallSaul

That’s not even the worst Blackhawk fan trade proposal I’ve seen in the past week but 🤮

Found this little gem in Ek's thread. I never go in there, perhaps I should.



So to recap, Chicago gets a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round draft pick, plus Kasperi Kapanen in exchange for Duncan Keith whom they will generously retain 1.5 mil per season.
- BetterCallSaul

Guy is sniffing some good glue

He's also not that stupid. The last thing Nylander needs to get his game back is to sit. He's behind because he wasn't playing. Not playing him won't fix that.
- Unholy_Goalie

Needs a couple extra nights with my beer league team. Score about 45 goals in 2 or 3 games to get his confidence up. I'll give him my jersey...his goals count for my totals.

Needs a couple extra nights with my beer league team. Score about 45 goals in 2 or 3 games to get his confidence up. I'll give him my jersey...his goals count for my totals.
- Woderwick

Lol

False.

Trading Nylander and Johnsson is not gouging the offensive strength of the team. It barely puts a dent in it overall.

If anything, it gives the Leafs a new strength; balance.

And if the defense that they are bringing in are Hamilton and/or Pietrangelo, they still put up offense too so they really aren't losing more than they gain.
- Unholy_Goalie

This is just recency bias, homey. Nylander will put up points again. I'm sorry, I disagree with you. I think it's a better idea to improve on the two players I mentioned over trading a quality asset (most likely Kapanen).

Just saying "False" doesn't make your argument correct, I really hope you understand that.

Lol
- Zezel

I'll even pick him up, pay for is beer and wings and drop him off at his home, safe and sound.

This is just recency bias, homey. Nylander will put up points again. I'm sorry, I disagree with you. I think it's a better idea to improve on the two players I mentioned over trading a quality asset (most likely Kapanen).

Just saying "False" doesn't make your argument correct, I really hope you understand that.
- BetterCallSaul

Needs to use FACT and WIDELY REPORTED, to be more effective.

And this is why you're a damn idiot
- lumlums

They were scoring goals just fine without Nylander. Johnsson is replaceable. It's hilarious how quick you are to scream insults my way regardless of the actual facts. Calling me an idiot, pot calling the kettle black.

This is just recency bias, homey. Nylander will put up points again. I'm sorry, I disagree with you. I think it's a better idea to improve on the two players I mentioned over trading a quality asset (most likely Kapanen).

Just saying "False" doesn't make your argument correct, I really hope you understand that.
- BetterCallSaul

No, it's not recency bias at all. They have Tavares, Matthews and Marner. They have the horses to score goals. It's just a simple fact, they have more offensive forwards and not enough defenders.

Nylander costs more than Kapanen and Nylander brings in a more quality defender. Nylander should be traded. Simple.

False.

Trading Nylander and Johnsson is not gouging the offensive strength of the team. It barely puts a dent in it overall.

If anything, it gives the Leafs a new strength; balance.

And if the defense that they are bringing in are Hamilton and/or Pietrangelo, they still put up offense too so they really aren't losing more than they gain.
- Unholy_Goalie

Johnsson probably not, Nylander yes. As good as Kapanen is, you can really see the difference between the two now that Nylander is back. Even though he's really struggling, his ability to control the play in the offensive zone and create plays is something Kap can't do. Nylander is a key part of this team's offense.

Johnsson probably not, Nylander yes. As good as Kapanen is, you can really see the difference between the two now that Nylander is back. Even though he's really struggling, his ability to control the play in the offensive zone and create plays is something Kap can't do. Nylander is a key part of this team's offense.
- 13sundin13

Matthews, Tavares and Marner. Nylander is not even in the top 3 so the idea that he's "key" to their offense is just false.

Nylander is surplus. If it brings in a 50 point defender, it's a no-brainer. Leafs barely lose offense and become much more balanced in an area they need help in.

Dion just threw a Phaneuffy hit.