I'll even pick him up, pay for is beer and wings and drop him off at his home, safe and sound.
- Woderwick

He'd probably hold out for pizza too.

No, it's not recency bias at all. They have Tavares, Matthews and Marner. They have the horses to score goals. It's just a simple fact, they have more offensive forwards and not enough defenders.

Nylander costs more than Kapanen and Nylander brings in a more quality defender. Nylander should be traded. Simple.
- Unholy_Goalie

I think Kapanen is more likely to go. His contract will likely be a little too expensive in Toronto but could be attractive to another team, and his trajectory could rival Nylander so I think he can net a very good return. I don't imagine Nylander is being traded any time soon.

He'd probably hold out for pizza too.
- Zezel

No...wings, fries and gravy the best I can do.

Nah. Theres a pattern now.

Outperform all sleeping teams at the start of the season until the 20ish game mark.

Defeat all non-playoff teams MOST of the time.

Lose or barely win once in a while against actual cup contenders.

Lose 99% of the time a reall hard physical game is played.


After 3 years now, this is clearly built to be a playoff-> making, in-season, team. Not a cup contender yet. They can compete but will have a horrible time winning against Boston, Washington & Tampa as it currently stands.
- Buggy166

Totally, it's a decently long process to go from worst to best. Just looking at the Preds and how long it took to build that franchise into what the Leafs saw today should give people a good indication of what to expect going forward. They went through a lot of regular season and playoff disappointments to become an experienced contending team.

I think Kapanen is more likely to go. His contract will likely be a little too expensive in Toronto but could be attractive to another team, and his trajectory could rival Nylander so I think he can net a very good return. I don't imagine Nylander is being traded any time soon.
- BetterCallSaul

Kapanen costs less money but he also gets you less in return. It's less likely you can get a Hamilton type player for Kapanen.

Trading Nylander also trades his cap hit which creates cap space that can be used to keep players like Hamilton long term. If you acquired Hamilton and Nylander was still on the books, it gets a lot harder to keep everybody.

Nylander's value right now is lower than it should be but the opportunity to acquire exactly what the Leafs need is right there in Hamilton. They'd be pretty dumb to pass on it. Hamilton costs less money, he plays a position of need, he's still young and he makes the Leafs more balanced. It's a win for both sides. It's Seth Jones for Johansen 2.0.

So a Peloton is like $3K and in order for you to take advantage of the features it offers, you need to sign up for another $40 bucks a month membership.

I'll stick with my rowing machine and treadmill.

No...wings, fries and gravy the best I can do.
- Woderwick

Cheese curds or no deal.

So a Peloton is like $3K and in order for you to take advantage of the features it offers, you need to sign up for another $40 bucks a month membership.

I'll stick with my rowing machine and treadmill.
- Woderwick

It looks cool, but yeah...I ride my bike in real life for cheaper

And this is why you're a damn idiot
- lumlums

can you be sure? He hasn't repeated yet....

Matthews, Tavares and Marner. Nylander is not even in the top 3 so the idea that he's "key" to their offense is just false.

Nylander is surplus. If it brings in a 50 point defender, it's a no-brainer. Leafs barely lose offense and become much more balanced in an area they need help in.
- Unholy_Goalie

I disagree, they scored early in the year when Nylander was out because that's what every team was doing. It's only going to get harder from now on, not to mention the playoffs. Nylander is a very important player to this team, probably the 4th most important forward, they will need him the next 4-5 years.

A 50 pt dman wouldn't be enough for me, it would have to be a true #1 dman, similar age, who can both defend and score. Jones for Johansen would be the comparable. If that were the case then sure, Nylander would be expendable. Anything other than that would just not be worth it to me.

It looks cool, but yeah...I ride my bike in real life for cheaper
- Zezel

We have cruisers... but we love them.

May not be as good for our heart, but they are great for our soul.

I disagree, they scored early in the year when Nylander was out because that's what every team was doing. It's only going to get harder from now on, not to mention the playoffs. Nylander is a very important player to this team, probably the 4th most important forward, they will need him the next 4-5 years.
- 13sundin13

5th because Kadri is pretty important too.

Still a surplus.

A 50 pt dman wouldn't be enough for me, it would have to be a true #1 dman, similar age, who can both defend and score. Jones for Johansen would be the comparable. If that were the case then sure, Nylander would be expendable. Anything other than that would just not be worth it to me.

That's Dougie Hamilton. Right age, right position, right price, right size, right skill set. That's the guy.

Kapanen costs less money but he also gets you less in return. It's less likely you can get a Hamilton type player for Kapanen.

Trading Nylander also trades his cap hit which creates cap space that can be used to keep players like Hamilton long term. If you acquired Hamilton and Nylander was still on the books, it gets a lot harder to keep everybody.

Nylander's value right now is lower than it should be but the opportunity to acquire exactly what the Leafs need is right there in Hamilton. They'd be pretty dumb to pass on it. Hamilton costs less money, he plays a position of need, he's still young and he makes the Leafs more balanced. It's a win for both sides. It's Seth Jones for Johansen 2.0.
- Unholy_Goalie

You're dancing around my point. And I have to ask, why do you treat this trade idea of yours like it's a certainty? Much more likely a trade like that doesn't happen.

We have cruisers... but we love them.

May not be as good for our heart, but they are great for our soul.
- Woderwick

Any bike riding is good. Cruisers are still a workout too, you have to put some energy into them.

You're dancing around my point. And I have to ask, why do you treat this trade idea of yours like it's a certainty? Much more likely a trade like that doesn't happen.
- BetterCallSaul

You're dancing around the reality that the Leafs have too much offense and not enough defense and a damn good opportunity has presented itself to correct that situation.

I'm not talking about what is and isn't likely to happen. I'm talking about the simple idea that the Leafs would benefit from moving Nylander for a #1 RHD and that Hamilton is a damn good return for Nylander, all things considered.

You're dancing around my point. And I have to ask, why do you treat this trade idea of yours like it's a certainty? Much more likely a trade like that doesn't happen.
- BetterCallSaul

Enough with this logical thinking. No room for that here Saul.

5th because Kadri is pretty important too.

Still a surplus.



That's Dougie Hamilton. Right age, right position, right price, right size, right skill set. That's the guy.
- Unholy_Goalie

I love Kadri but to me Nylander is more important to team going forward. Still, top 5 is very much a key part of the team's offense.

Hamilton is a good player, the one thing that concerns me would be the fact that 3 teams would have found him to be expendable when #1 RHD are basically untouchable in the league. Plus he's just a bit on the old side. I dunno, if they made that deal, I'd trust that Dubas did his due diligence. If they dont make that deal I'd also trust that.

I actually thought Hanifin would have been a good trade before he got dealt, even though he doesn't seems to have as high a ceiling as Hamilton. I guess more because of his age and high ranking.

You're dancing around the reality that the Leafs have too much offense and not enough defense and a damn good opportunity has presented itself to correct that situation.

I'm not talking about what is and isn't likely to happen. I'm talking about the simple idea that the Leafs would benefit from moving Nylander for a #1 RHD and that Hamilton is a damn good return for Nylander, all things considered.
- Unholy_Goalie

I'm not sure everyone shares your opinion of Hamilton being a #1RD. He's definitely not Seth Jones like you eluded to earlier. I'd welcome him on the Leafs, but not if it costs Nylander. You could improve the defence by moving a combination of Johnsson, Kapanen, Bracco, etc. for lower tier but still effective players a la Kempne. Which I believe would yield better results than the moves you propose.

I'm not sure everyone shares your opinion of Hamilton being a #1RD. He's definitely not Seth Jones like you eluded to earlier. I'd welcome him on the Leafs, but not if it costs Nylander. You could improve the defence by moving a combination of Johnsson, Kapanen, Bracco, etc. for lower tier but still effective players a la Kempne. Which I believe would yield better results than the moves you propose.
- BetterCallSaul

The fact that Hamilton might be on the move again is worrisome. They gave up alot to acquire him.

The fact that Hamilton might be on the move again is worrisome. They gave up alot to acquire him.
- shack67

Watching him play in the last game against Toronto he looked timid. Can't accurately scout a player on one game witnessed from your couch, but I struggle to recall any time in Boston or Calgary where he stood out in a positive way.

I love Kadri but to me Nylander is more important to team going forward. Still, top 5 is very much a key part of the team's offense.
- 13sundin13

Kadri plays defense, gets hard minutes, hard shutdown assignments, plays tough, brings grit and can score 30. So no, Kadri is ahead of him as of now. Nylander brings 20 goals and 60 points so far and now he's not even doing that.

Hamilton is a good player, the one thing that concerns me would be the fact that 3 teams would have found him to be expendable when #1 RHD are basically untouchable in the league. Plus he's just a bit on the old side. I dunno, if they made that deal, I'd trust that Dubas did his due diligence. If they dont make that deal I'd also trust that.

Those teams were stupid. Boston was because Chiarelli is an idiot who can't manage the cap. Calgary was because he didn't go on a trip to Vegas. Carolina is because they need a scoring forward and have enough RHD.

I actually thought Hanifin would have been a good trade before he got dealt, even though he doesn't seems to have as high a ceiling as Hamilton. I guess more because of his age and high ranking.

Hamilton is available and he's a very good RHD. It'd be a good, fair deal for both sides.

I'm not sure everyone shares your opinion of Hamilton being a #1RD. He's definitely not Seth Jones like you eluded to earlier. I'd welcome him on the Leafs, but not if it costs Nylander. You could improve the defence by moving a combination of Johnsson, Kapanen, Bracco, etc. for lower tier but still effective players a la Kempne. Which I believe would yield better results than the moves you propose.
- BetterCallSaul

Hamilton is 25, capable of scoring 15 goals, 50 points and his advanced numbers are quite good. He's pretty much a #1 RHD. At worst, he's a top pair RHD. 6'6", 210. Can't teach that.

Again, trading spare parts might get you an older rental. Spare parts also don't clear the cap space required to retain the pieces you bring back. Nylander for Hamilton helps the Leafs today and tomorrow.

Leafs have too much offense guys.

Watching him play in the last game against Toronto he looked timid. Can't accurately scout a player on one game witnessed from your couch, but I struggle to recall any time in Boston or Calgary where he stood out in a positive way.
- BetterCallSaul

Hamilton isn't all he's cracked up to be. Like at all.

Listening to Canes fans and they would welcome moving Hamilton over Pesce/Slavin. Flames fans are over the moon to move on from him.

Hamilton is definitely not a guy to target and i doubt the Leafs would.

All signs point to Hamilton being an issue given that he's already been dealt twice and now rumoured to be available again only half way through his first season in with CAR is alarming.

Whether it's ego, idiocy, work ethic, a poopty teammate or something else, it doesn't matter. There definitely appears to be a risk and it will cost an arm and a leg after what CAR just paid and seeing what Lindholm and Hanifin are doing.

Hamilton is not the answer. Sorry.

Move on, UG.