Hamilton is 25, capable of scoring 15 goals, 50 points and his advanced numbers are quite good. He's pretty much a #1 RHD. At worst, he's a top pair RHD. 6'6", 210. Can't teach that.

Again, trading spare parts might get you an older rental. Spare parts also don't clear the cap space required to retain the pieces you bring back. Nylander for Hamilton helps the Leafs today and tomorrow.
- Unholy_Goalie

I don't think he would put up those points here. He's not bumping Rielly off the first power play unit.

And I didn't say a rental, just not a marquee name. I'm not offering up any names, as I don't know who or what is available. Call it adding two defensemen capable of skating with this team and less prone to the mistakes Hainsey makes. Its unfortunate, but the game seems to have passed him by. You get your cap savings by not spending 5 mil on Kapanen.

All signs point to Hamilton being an issue given that he's already been dealt twice and now rumoured to be available again only half way through his first season in with CAR is alarming.

Whether it's ego, idiocy, work ethic, a poopty teammate or something else, it doesn't matter. There definitely appears to be a risk and it will cost an arm and a leg after what CAR just paid and seeing what Lindholm and Hanifin are doing.

Hamilton is not the answer. Sorry.

Move on, UG.
- As_I_See_It

It's none of those things.

I don't think he would put up those points here. He's not bumping Rielly off the first power play unit.

And I didn't say a rental, just not a marquee name. I'm not offering up any names, as I don't know who or what is available. Call it adding two defensemen capable of skating with this team and less prone to the mistakes Hainsey makes. Its unfortunate, but the game seems to have passed him by. You get your cap savings by not spending 5 mil on Kapanen.
- BetterCallSaul

His numbers would be at least as good as Gardiner, probably better. Keep in mind Gardiner will probably walk and needs to be replaced and odds are he makes more than what Hamilton makes.

No reason he couldn't play with Rielly on the PP, together. Or pick up similar points 5 on 5 playing with him.

Honestly, UG isnt really off base of trading Nylander. I was suspecting they might do it in the off season anyway (full guess on my part) but it makes sense.

Kapanen has shown you can get cheaper wings to have a similar output.

I'm okay if its Hamilton but I really would want them to call up st. Louis for Pieterangelo/parayko and Florida for Ekblad. (I make these suggestions because I'm a fan and I'm allowed to make crazy things up)

It's none of those things.
- Unholy_Goalie

You actually have no idea. None.

For you to completely ignore the fact that he’s already played on three teams by the age of 25 and is now rumoured to be available again is laughable.

There have been rumblings about Dougie being a problem and have been for a while. For you to completely disregard that portion of the equation for the sake of your arguemrnt is (frank)ing weak. Where there’s smoke there’s fire.

Hamilton reeks of problems, will not be worth the price tag and certainly not worth the risk.

Honestly, UG isnt really off base of trading Nylander. I was suspecting they might do it in the off season anyway (full guess on my part) but it makes sense.

Kapanen has shown you can get cheaper wings to have a similar output.

I'm okay if its Hamilton but I really would want them to call up st. Louis for Pieterangelo/parayko and Florida for Ekblad. (I make these suggestions because I'm a fan and I'm allowed to make crazy things up)
- Aaron_85

It's just basic math. They have too many forwards who cost them too much money and not enough talent or money on the blueline. At some point, a sacrifice has to be made.

Is it Tavares? No. Matthews? Probably not. Marner? Shouldn't be. Kadri? Contract is too good. It has to be Nylander. It's just a matter of when and for who.

I'd call St. Louis too for Pietrangelo for a variety of reasons but I'll go with Sportsnet who was saying his price tag is lower than Nylander. Something like Zaitsev, Johnsson and a 1st. To which I say, get them both and have a balanced team. Hamilton at 5.75 and Pietrangelo at 6.5 and both are under 30. When Marleau retires, they can both be extended easily.

It's just basic math. They have too many forwards who cost them too much money and not enough talent or money on the blueline. At some point, a sacrifice has to be made.

Is it Tavares? No. Matthews? Probably not. Marner? Shouldn't be. Kadri? Contract is too good. It has to be Nylander. It's just a matter of when and for who.

I'd call St. Louis too for Pietrangelo for a variety of reasons but I'll go with Sportsnet who was saying his price tag is lower than Nylander. Something like Zaitsev, Johnsson and a 1st. To which I say, get them both and have a balanced team. Hamilton at 5.75 and Pietrangelo at 6.5 and both are under 30. When Marleau retires, they can both be extended easily.
- Unholy_Goalie

I agree on Kadri but because hes a center and the depth is needed more.

You actually have no idea. None.

For you to completely ignore the fact that he’s already played on three teams by the age of 25 and is now rumoured to be available again is laughable.

There have been rumblings about Dougie being a problem and have been for a while. For you to completely disregard that portion of the equation for the sake of your arguemrnt is (frank)ing weak. Where there’s smoke there’s fire.

Hamilton reeks of problems, will not be worth the price tag and certainly not worth the risk.
- As_I_See_It

There are ideas and none of them are that he's a real "problem" and certainly nothing that couldn't be fixed even if there was. I already detailed why he got traded. Let's do it again in case you missed it.

Bruins: Cap problems caused by idiot GM Chiarelli who is doing the same in Edmonton. They did the same with Kessel. Verdict: Not a character problem.

Calgary: Got a fair return for him and may have traded him because he didn't go to Vegas (or Moxies) with the team on a party trip. Verdict: Fair hockey deal and a really stupid reason to trade a good player.

Carolina: If they trade him, it'll be because they have enough RHD and want a scoring forward. So again, a hockey deal, not a character issue.

Hamilton isn't some crazy cocaine fiend that teams are dumping. What you have in your head and the reality of the situation are completely different.

I agree on Kadri but because hes a center and the depth is needed more.
- Aaron_85

Also good reasons.

trade Nylander.

thank you.

(p.s.: great GM'ing by Dubas to not keep McElhinney over Holl )

I'm not sure everyone shares your opinion of Hamilton being a #1RD. He's definitely not Seth Jones like you eluded to earlier. I'd welcome him on the Leafs, but not if it costs Nylander. You could improve the defence by moving a combination of Johnsson, Kapanen, Bracco, etc. for lower tier but still effective players a la Kempne. Which I believe would yield better results than the moves you propose.
- BetterCallSaul

He wanted to trade nylander++ for karlsson and he ended up costing pennies, and yet even after the trade adamant that trading nylander++ for him is a good idea.

No he's trading nylander for a lesser dman..... Can't imagine how this will turn out.

Leafs have too much offense guys.
- walshyleafsfan

Always. Only allowed a certain amount of good players.

His numbers would be at least as good as Gardiner, probably better. Keep in mind Gardiner will probably walk and needs to be replaced and odds are he makes more than what Hamilton makes.

No reason he couldn't play with Rielly on the PP, together. Or pick up similar points 5 on 5 playing with him.
- Unholy_Goalie

Well the reason would be they only use one dman on the pp.

Honestly, UG isnt really off base of trading Nylander. I was suspecting they might do it in the off season anyway (full guess on my part) but it makes sense.

Kapanen has shown you can get cheaper wings to have a similar output.

I'm okay if its Hamilton but I really would want them to call up st. Louis for Pieterangelo/parayko and Florida for Ekblad. (I make these suggestions because I'm a fan and I'm allowed to make crazy things up)
- Aaron_85

It doesn’t sound like Dubas has any intention of trading Nylander.

I’d also say that while Kapanen’s production has been good, Matthews himself doesn’t look as good 5-on-5 without Nylander.

Kadri plays defense, gets hard minutes, hard shutdown assignments, plays tough, brings grit and can score 30. So no, Kadri is ahead of him as of now. Nylander brings 20 goals and 60 points so far and now he's not even doing that.



Those teams were stupid. Boston was because Chiarelli is an idiot who can't manage the cap. Calgary was because he didn't go on a trip to Vegas. Carolina is because they need a scoring forward and have enough RHD.


Hamilton is available and he's a very good RHD. It'd be a good, fair deal for both sides.
- Unholy_Goalie

You’re describing how Kadri was used last year....do you even watch the games?

I usually peace out after the game pretty quickly, but man, it is insufferable in here when we a) lose b) U_G isn't working the night shift at 7-11.

It's just like tourette's: Hamilton! Pietrangelo! over and over and over again.

I usually peace out after the game pretty quickly, but man, it is insufferable in here when we a) lose b) U_G isn't working the night shift at 7-11.

It's just like tourette's: Hamilton! Pietrangelo! over and over and over again.
- gravyface

Trade for Petry. He showed he could play some stellar defense last night.


Against his own team.

You’re describing how Kadri was used last year....do you even watch the games?
- Garnie

No he doesn’t.

trade Nylander.

thank you.

(p.s.: great GM'ing by Dubas to not keep McElhinney over Holl )
- plantheparade

Enjoy your complimentary pity response.

Trade everyone!

Enjoy your complimentary pity response.
- Dongull_Trump

4 goals on 32 shots and only allowed 18 shots against and shutout the 2nd best offense in the league on the road. That's something the Leafs should be aspiring towards and it won't happen unless they fix their blueline.
- Unholy_Goalie

HIGH DANGER SCORING CHANCES LAST NIGHT

5v5

1ST Period Leafs 5 Preds 1
2nd Period Leafs 8 Preds 4

Third Period Leafs poop the bed.

Maybe they need to shoot a bit more, but it was a good game. You should try watching it sometime

trade Nylander.

thank you.

(p.s.: great GM'ing by Dubas to not keep McElhinney over Holl )
- plantheparade

Hard to blame Hutch on any of those goals last night.

Good Lord, it was just a giant turd last night.

I don't think he would put up those points here. He's not bumping Rielly off the first power play unit.

And I didn't say a rental, just not a marquee name. I'm not offering up any names, as I don't know who or what is available. Call it adding two defensemen capable of skating with this team and less prone to the mistakes Hainsey makes. Its unfortunate, but the game seems to have passed him by. You get your cap savings by not spending 5 mil on Kapanen.
- BetterCallSaul

If Gardiner can put up those numbers, hamilton can as well.

What was the verdict on the offside last night?

They never showed it in the arena.