You see his wonderful display of "defending" last night?



- RickJames77

I was too busy watching Hainsey and company

*cough* jerk *cough*
- Monkeypunk

I had to do it to best make my point

How does a guy who gets silver even get named MVP of the WJCs.
- TheMussel

don't wonder too much about it... its typical Habs related - but this has a Jordan Eberle odor to it...

meaning to say, he'll end up overpaid by doink GM, come into the league like a bomb and flame out shortly thereafter.

its the reverse version of why a Leafs prospect could never be the WJHC Canadian team starting goaltender.

I meant to qualify this as a first round exercise as anyone you'd be looking to acquire will cost you a first. Let's take a gander at number 20-30 picks over the last few years you can actually judge

2009.) 20. Jacob Josefson 21. John Moore 22. Jordan Schroeder 23. Tim Erixon 24. Marcus Johannson 25. Jordan Caron 26. Kyle Palmieri 27. Philip Paradis 28. Dylan Olsen 29. Carter Aston 30. Simon Despres

2010.) 20. Beau Bennet 21. Riley Sheahan 22. Jared Tinordi 23. Martin Pysyk 24. Kevin Hayes 25. Quinton Howden 26. Evgeny Kuznetsov 27. Mark Vasentin 28. Charlie Coyle 29. Emerson Etem 30. Brock Nelson

2011.) 20. Connor Murphy 21. Stepan Noesen 22. Tyler Biggs 23. Joe Morrow 24. Matt Puempel 25. Stewart Percy 26. Philip Danault 27. Vladislav Namestnikov 28. Zach Phillips 29. Nicklas Jensen 30. Rickard Rakell

2012.) 20. Scott Laughton 21. Mark Jankowski 22. Oli Maata 23. Mike Matheson 24. Malcom Subban 25. Jordan Schmaltz 26. Brendan Guance 27. Henrik Samuelsson 28. Brady Skjei 29. Stephan Matteau 30. Tanner Pearson

2013.) 20. Anthony Mantha 21. Frederick Gauthier 22. Emile Pourier 23. Andre Burakovsky 24. Hunter Shinkaruk 25. Michael McCarron 26. Shea Theodore 27. Marko Dano 28. Morgan Klimchuk 29. Jason Richardinson 30. Ryan Hartman

2014.) 20. Nick Schmaltz 21. Robbi Fabri 22. Kasperi Kapanen 23. Connor Bleackley 24. Jared McCann 25. David Pastrnak 26. Nikita Scherbak 27. Nikolay Goldobin 28. Josh Ho-Sang 29. Adrian Kempe 30. John Quenville

2015.) 20. Joel Eriksson-Ek 21. Colin White 22. Ilya Samsanov 23.Brock Boeser 24. Travis Konecny 25. Jack Roslovic 26. Noah Juulsen 27. Jacob Larsson 28. Anthony Beauvillier 29. Gabriel Carlsson 30. Nick Merkeley

You get one a draft. MAYBE. and it's a long shot they fall to your team.
- RickJames77

Now we don't know who Dubas and co would've selected to be fair, you can only judge which players where available to draft. Let's say:

2009 - O'Reilly, Silfverberg, Orlov, Tatar, Barrie, Smith, Ekholm, Hoffman


Actually this is going to take too long, but you get the jist

I will need a list so I ban everyone else once I become the Ref around here.

Thanks in advance.
- Scabeh

Whoo Hoow. You're gone UG.

I wonder what we could get Petry for?

Rielly Petry
Gards Z
Dermott Hainsey

or swap Hainsey and Z

Might be the cheaper way to go
- annoyed

what do you have against Morgan Rielly?

I'm not trying to play a game or get you riled up...just here for a conversation.

How can you mortgage the future when your down payment (Tavares, Matthews, Marner, & Nylander) covered the cost of the whole damn house.

You can't stock up on all young talent and expect to be able to pay them all if Liljegren and Sandin perse turn into superstars.

evaluations on who to keep and who to use as trading chips need to be done IMO
- RickJames77

The conversation is a game. None of us have any clue what the Shanaplan is or what "many GMs" in the NHL might or might not do. Let's not pretend any of us are just having a "conversation." We're all playing but that doesn't mean we're necessarily trying to "rile" each other up (well, not all of us anyway).

I'm not suggesting the Leafs stock up on young players per se -- I'm just suggesting that the last thing they should be doing is trading former 1st round draft picks like Liljegren and Sandin who are still teenagers. We don't know if these kids will be superstars or not. But why trade them now when the window is this wide open?

Who is even available that would be worth trading those pieces for? If the return isn't a stud defender than (frank) that. And which stud defender is even available? Pietrangelo? Why not wait until after next season to sign him?

I think we have some over-eager Leafs fanboys who want to mortgage the future for a shot at the Cup now. Is this team - even with a stud defender - truly guaranteed a shot if they make a deal? I'm not so sure and, at the risk of beating a dead horse, I wouldn't be gambling when the window is so wide open.

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- markmark

Looks like Victoria on Y and R. Only cuter

Now we don't know who Dubas and co would've selected to be fair, you can only judge which players where available to draft. Let's say:

2009 - O'Reilly, Silfverberg, Orlov, Tatar, Barrie, Smith, Ekholm, Hoffman


Actually this is going to take too long, but you get the jist
- walshyleafsfan

There are always later round picks that turn out, but if you look in that range, hell even if you go down to the high teens, you'll see a pattern of a lot of poop picks. Coincidence? I don't believe so. They pick the surest thing to play a role in the NHL at some point in their career and maybe not a riskier pick with a higher ceiling that they'll save for later rounds.

Also, we don't have enough evidence to proclaim Dubas and company as the best scouts that make picks that can't miss.

what do you have against Morgan Rielly?
- BorjeFan4Ever

He's left handed and not very physical......that's all I got.

How does a guy who gets silver even get named MVP of the WJCs.
- TheMussel

I'll tell you how.

By being AMAZING. That's how.

And don't forget about Romanov. Best defenseman of the tourney.

Or Primeau.

Or Ylonen.

The conversation is a game. None of us have any clue what the Shanaplan is or what "many GMs" in the NHL might or might not do. Let's not pretend any of us are just having a "conversation." We're all playing but that doesn't mean we're necessarily trying to "rile" each other up (well, not all of us anyway).

I'm not suggesting the Leafs stock up on young players per se -- I'm just suggesting that the last thing they should be doing is trading former 1st round draft picks like Liljegren and Sandin who are still teenagers. We don't know if these kids will be superstars or not. But why trade them now when the window is this wide open?

Who is even available that would be worth trading those pieces for? If the return isn't a stud defender than (frank) that. And which stud defender is even available? Pietrangelo? Why not wait until after next season to sign him?

I think we have some over-eager Leafs fanboys who want to mortgage the future for a shot at the Cup now. Is this team - even with a stud defender - truly guaranteed a shot if they make a deal? I'm not so sure and, at the risk of beating a dead horse, I wouldn't be gambling when the window is so wide open.
- mjones242

I would evaluate what you have in Liljegren and take a hard look at moving him, but I'm not necessarily saying definitely do it. I'd be leaning more on the picks side of things and see what other pieces you may have. But if it's for a real difference maker at the TDL I think I'd do it.

idk who is out there that is that big difference maker FWIW

I'll tell you how.

By being AMAZING. That's how.

And don't forget about Romanov. Best defenseman of the tourney.

Or Primeau.

Or Ylonen.
- Scabeh

Bergevin or the City itself will find a way to destroy them. I am confident of that.

I wonder what we could get Petry for?

Rielly Petry
Gards Z
Dermott Hainsey

or swap Hainsey and Z

Might be the cheaper way to go
- annoyed

Petry is playing the best hockey of his career.

I doubt he's moved, unless it's for a potentially good young LHD.

Bergevin or the City itself will find a way to destroy them. I am confident of that.
- RickJames77

You're wrong.

WRONG!

...

God dammit.

Dude, the future is now.

You’ll see the Leafs being buyers for a considerable amount of time.

And the fact that they have 20 million more in deadline space then they ever will again in their contention is pretty much a forgone conclusion that they will use it.
- Santo_44

The future is the next few years, bro.

Of course they'll be buyers for a considerable amount of time. They may and likely will add to their currently available cap space but they don't necessarily need to trade blue chip pieces to do it.

Liljegren and Sandin should be untouchable unless there is an absolutely outrageous deal that presents itself. I have no idea what that might be but if either one of them is part of a deal I can't wait to see what we're getting in return.

Petry is playing the best hockey of his career.

I doubt he's moved, unless it's for a potentially good young LHD.
- Scabeh

I loved his game last night

Petry is playing the best hockey of his career.

I doubt he's moved, unless it's for a potentially good young LHD.
- Scabeh

15 teams on his NMC. I wonder if the Leafs are one them?

He's 31 though - one might think this would be the ideal time for the Habs to trade him as he is, as you say, playing the best hockey of his career. The return would be pretty substantial.

I loved his game last night
- RickJames77

Played 28 great minutes.

And had the worst 10 sec sequence I can remember from any player.

Pass to a player to a wild player all alone in front of Price.

Goes around the net just fast enough to prevent Price from moving and stopping the puck.

It was glorious.

15 teams on his NMC. I wonder if the Leafs are one them?

He's 31 though - one might think this would be the ideal time for the Habs to trade him as he is, as you say, playing the best hockey of his career. The return would be pretty substantial.
- mjones242

You're right.

I just don't see it happening.

But you're right, the timing would be perfect.

Just need the right return I guess.

Played 28 great minutes.

And had the worst 10 sec sequence I can remember from any player.

Pass to a player to a wild player all alone in front of Price.

Goes around the net just fast enough to prevent Price from moving and stopping the puck.

It was glorious.
- Scabeh

I was actually watching that game at the time and was dying laughing...it really was just a priceless sequence of events

Especially in a 0-0 game

Played 28 great minutes.

And had the worst 10 sec sequence I can remember from any player.

Pass to a player to a wild player all alone in front of Price.

Goes around the net just fast enough to prevent Price from moving and stopping the puck.

It was glorious.
- Scabeh

Sometimes you watch things a professional does and it makes you just go blank because it was so wrong in all the right ways. Like Hainsey last night; middle of the ice opens up wide as he's breaking out on his own. Not contested at all. Skates over the blue line and bombs it into Nashvilles corner for the icing... like closest player was 10ft away.... I had a great laugh at that one.

Sometimes you watch things a professional does and it makes you just go blank because it was so wrong in all the right ways. Like Hainsey last night; middle of the ice opens up wide as he's breaking out on his own. Not contested at all. Skates over the blue line and bombs it into Nashvilles corner for the icing... like closest player was 10ft away.... I had a great laugh at that one.
- markmark

They might be Pros, but they gotta make quick decisions.

And sometimes they have brain farts. It happens.

I wonder how much it would cost to get Puljujarvi out of that Edmonton mess.

I'd take a gamble on that guy.

Marleau's status in the summer will be interesting. Could see a return to the Sharks before retiring. Even if we retained a million. The extra 5 million would help resign M and M . He's been a tremendous role model for the two. His boys will have a lifetime of memories from that relationship.