James Tanner: One Lousy Team Should Fire Their GM, Another Lousy Team Should Keep Theirs

Agreed about Chia. Disagree about the Caps.

Agreed about Chia. Disagree about the Caps.
- RafiDRW

Facts are facts.

Facts are facts.
- James_Tanner

You’re wrong and can’t empirically prove the Caps win as flukey.

Wash rinse repeat, did you copy and paste most of this?

I guess it worked, I read it..................again.

James Tanner: One Lousy Team Should Fire Their GM, Another Lousy Team Should Keep Theirs
- James_Tanner

Chayka is a brutal GM

Wash rinse repeat, did you copy and paste most of this?

I guess it worked, I read it..................again.
- annoyed

You’re wrong and can’t empirically prove the Caps win as flukey.
- RafiDRW

Yes I can. IN the summer leading up to the season when they won the cup, they made several terrible moves and made their team worse. Then, statistically, they were a middle of the pack team.

They went into the playoffs with their eventual MVP (or should have been MVP) on the bench and went down 2-0 to the far superior roster and far superior statistical team the Columbus Blue Jackets.

Then they switched goalies, and playing at the highest save percentage of all time - or damn close to it - Holtby led them to a Stanley Cup.

Not to mention, they were massively destroyed - it was like they were deconstructed and clinically torn apart - by the Penguins, only to win by a complete fluke.

This was the exact opposite of their recent playoff experience, where they were actual favorites, a statistical powerhouse and lost to the Penguins in a series where they had over 100 more scoring chances.

But again, they won and no one pays attention to anything that any kind of deep analysis if it goes against their easy to swallow narrative.

Yes I can. IN the summer leading up to the season when they won the cup, they made several terrible moves and made their team worse. Then, statistically, they were a middle of the pack team.

They went into the playoffs with their eventual MVP (or should have been MVP) on the bench and went down 2-0 to the far superior roster and far superior statistical team the Columbus Blue Jackets.

Then they switched goalies, and playing at the highest save percentage of all time - or damn close to it - Holtby led them to a Stanley Cup.

Not to mention, they were massively destroyed - it was like they were deconstructed and clinically torn apart - by the Penguins, only to win by a complete fluke.

This was the exact opposite of their recent playoff experience, where they were actual favorites, a statistical powerhouse and lost to the Penguins in a series where they had over 100 more scoring chances.

But again, they won and no one pays attention to anything that any kind of deep analysis if it goes against their easy to swallow narrative.
- James_Tanner

The Pens series was a series of lucky bounces but they still had a powerhouse team that did as expected. They earned their paychecks against TBL. CBJ and VGK never stood a chance. Hardly the luckiest win ever.

The Pens series was a series of lucky bounces but they still had a powerhouse team that did as expected. They earned their paychecks against TBL. CBJ and VGK never stood a chance. Hardly the luckiest win ever.
- RafiDRW

thanks for proving my point in real time, it's been fun.

thanks for proving my point in real time, it's been fun.
- James_Tanner

That’s not luck, for (frank)s sake. Grow up. It’s no wonder that no one here or on twitter agrees with your asinine assessments.

Where to begin...

Give tanner a nickle for the entertainment

Ignore the blanket statements from him that could never be proven as right, wrong or otherwise no matter how hard he advocates in whatever direction he chooses

Don’t even get caught up in the craptalk against Washington

Chuckle at the love for Chayka...who has won nothing, done nothing, yet if you don’t have full support for the abysmal results he produces are a simple sheeple, unable to understand the Hugh and fine knowing Tanman can ascribe to

Other than that, not much here

James Tanner: One Lousy Team Should Fire Their GM, Another Lousy Team Should Keep Theirs
- James_Tanner

Well one is a champion and one has yet to make the playoffs...

Chia has stunk as the Oilers GM but the same can be said about your beloved Chayka

Well one is a champion and one has yet to make the playoffs...

Chia has stunk as the Oilers GM but the same can be said about your beloved Chayka
- tomburton99

If you go by past championships then you would hire Chiarelli and think he's automatically better, which is exactly what I was getting at.

"even though the championship of every major sport is decided by who is and isn't injured every single year."

Nick Foles says "what's up."

Fact is best ability is availability and some people are more prone to missing time due to injuries for a myriad of reasons. It is the job of a GM to manage and understand the likelihood of injury and to create depth to mitigate those injuries.

Facts are facts.
- James_Tanner

I question your understanding of what a fact is

When it comes to evaluating hockey, people generally get caught up too much in goals and points, and in winning and losing.

Yeah!

We all know the REAL winners are those who fancy-stat better!

you do realize that no advanced stats are needed to determine who needs to be fired in Edmonton right?

also, teams are absolutely adding advanced stat staff but by no means has this come at the cost of actual scouts being paid to watch hockey with their very own eyes, talk to players, coaches, staff, learn how players interact with players and staff on and off the ice ect.

Chayka is a brutal GM
- Reveen.

This!!! Hiring a 26 year old kid with no experience except playing moneyball with fancy stats has proven to be a failed experience...but self entitled millenials like Tanner will tell you experience doesn't matter and doesn't count for anything.

you do realize that no advanced stats are needed to determine who needs to be fired in Edmonton right?

also, teams are absolutely adding advanced stat staff but by no means has this come at the cost of actual scouts being paid to watch hockey with their very own eyes, talk to players, coaches, staff, learn how players interact with players and staff on and off the ice ect.
- Ross77

It definitely has. Statistical analysis has changed everything from contracts, size of players, which defenseman people target etc etc etc.

Your classic hockey scout is saying sign me a big power forward while analysis reveals that guys who maybe don't look so great under certain perametres help you win hockey games more effectively.

This!!! Hiring a 26 year old kid with no experience except playing moneyball with fancy stats has proven to be a failed experience...but self entitled millenials like Tanner will tell you experience doesn't matter and doesn't count for anything.
- leonkennedy

Well study after study has shown that experience is in fact overrated. Chayka has done a great job and his age is irrelevant. He's made some very astute moves and overall I'd say he's been a good GM. His team uses half the budget that other teams do, and he was coming in to a bad situation, and his team has been extremely injured over the last two years.

What does being self entitled, or a millennial have to do with anything? I'm not the one insulting someone on the internet under a fake name.

You don't go through 82 regular season games and 4 rounds of playoffs on "luck"

Lol Jane

Trades are always a gamble. Eberle isnt doing much, halls teams as usual r at the botton of the league(lack of defensive ability on his part)nothing new there. Barzal was passed over by 5 teams so good on islanders for taking a chance. Larrsson is great defensively but doesnt put up points. Chiarelli and gretzky have never been given credit for drafting kids in rounds 2-5 that r now either ahl or solid junior players, something past oiler GMs couldnt do. Something to consider when evaluating his performance.

William Nylander not scoring? He must be playing crappy, I don't care if he is generating offense like a superstar, if the puck isn't going in he sucks.

Correct

All those bad moves by the Caps and yet they're 1st in the Metro............again.

Luck favors the prepared.



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