Vorobyov has played 7 NHL games....7.
- Glak18

Exactly! I couldn't believe they waited so long to put Laughton back at center. WTF!

To be fair I am not putting a lot of stock into Gordon, sure it's another coach with the same results, but they could of put you behind the bench with the same results...does that mean coach MJL is not the issue?
- Glak18

I don't think we need to put a lot of stock into Gordon as a coach. What we do know is that it actually got worse with Gordon behind the bench. I don't think that is Gordon's fault. I don't think any of it is really on the coaches other than they pay the price for poor results. One thing I'll say though that if you pay attention to Gordon's quotes, he is dead on about a lot of things about this team and why they're as bad as they are.

I’m not really sure that Gordon has had an opportunity to install his own system or work out his line combos so I’m not ready to concede that coaching wasn’t an issue. I also don’t think the argument that Hextall laid a foundation and yet needed to go are mutually exclusive.
- Sinisalo4vr

You may not be ready to concede that but it has nothing to do with systems or line combos.

I don't know.

A lot depends on between now and the start of next season. If they go out and get Quenneville and are able to revamp the roster a little then i can't say it was dumb if they make the playoffs and go on a run.

All i know if that Hextall himself said the team needed to take a step forward and they didn't and actually players look like they regressed. You can't argue that. Is his firing dumb...TBD.
- J35Bacher

I could argue it. The roster that Hextall put together should not be in the basement of the NHL. The players made it that way. I have no doubt that Fletcher can make some moves and improve the team moving forward but that's not really the finish line I'm looking to cross.

I could argue it. The roster that Hextall put together should not be in the basement of the NHL. The players made it that way. I have no doubt that Fletcher can make some moves and improve the team moving forward but that's not really the finish line I'm looking to cross.
- MJL

It shouldn't but it is.

Plus Weal is undersized, we need to play a heavier game all around. If you're not effectively putting points on the board such as Giroux and Konecny than we are better off with some heavier bodies. We got a draft pick for a guy who was gone at the end of the year and created some room on the roster for someone else.

You may not be ready to concede that but it has nothing to do with systems or line combos.
- MJL

That’s simply conjecture on your part.

It shouldn't but it is.
- J35Bacher

That's the painful reality.

That’s simply conjecture on your part.
- Sinisalo4vr

No, it's not conjecture at all.

Well if scared play is an indication I think it's Raffl.
Only 9 minutes TOI against Dallas
- goenzoy

And well deserved. Raffl was playing pretty good hockey not that long ago even when the team was losing, not sure if it was the St. Louis or Washington game now, but he has been playing horrible lately.

It's the way it should be, play good get minutes or play bad get reduced minutes...don't care what your name is, how much you get paid or what you did the previous game every player should need to earn those minutes. Sadly not everyone is being judged the same.

I don't think we need to put a lot of stock into Gordon as a coach. What we do know is that it actually got worse with Gordon behind the bench. I don't think that is Gordon's fault. I don't think any of it is really on the coaches other than they pay the price for poor results. One thing I'll say though that if you pay attention to Gordon's quotes, he is dead on about a lot of things about this team and why they're as bad as they are.
- MJL

Can you paraphrase some of these quotes that come to mind?

I don't think we need to put a lot of stock into Gordon as a coach. What we do know is that it actually got worse with Gordon behind the bench. I don't think that is Gordon's fault. I don't think any of it is really on the coaches other than they pay the price for poor results. One thing I'll say though that if you pay attention to Gordon's quotes, he is dead on about a lot of things about this team and why they're as bad as they are.
- MJL

Gordon seems like a strong communicator. Which is a good fit with where the team is now.

Can you paraphrase some of these quotes that come to mind?
- Glak18

They can be found on the various websites that cover the team.

I could argue it. The roster that Hextall put together should not be in the basement of the NHL. The players made it that way. I have no doubt that Fletcher can make some moves and improve the team moving forward but that's not really the finish line I'm looking to cross.
- MJL

I just want to know what caused this team to become so rotten so quick, basically the same team...what changed? Is everyone upset how the Simmonds situation is going? Is Provorov getting bullied in the locker room? Obviously they are getting pizza now, so that can't be it. Something happened or is happening that caused this. There is no way every player on the team woke up, lost their confidence and are stuck in a 43 game slump.

They can be found on the various websites that cover the team.
- MJL

Can you paraphrase those various websites?

Gordon seems like a strong communicator. Which is a good fit with where the team is now.
- NC Flyers Fan

I can't vouch for how he communicates with the team but he articulates the issues with the team and how they need to play to get better very well with the media. I can't vouch for how well he reaches the players or gets them to buy in but it's clear he has his fingers on the problem. That's the easy part I guess.

I just want to know what caused this team to become so rotten so quick, basically the same team...what changed? Is everyone upset how the Simmonds situation is going? Is Provorov getting bullied in the locker room? Obviously they are getting pizza now, so that can't be it. Something happened or is happening that caused this. There is no way every player on the team woke up, lost their confidence and are stuck in a 43 game slump.
- Glak18

Don't we all?

I can't vouch for how he communicates with the team but he articulates the issues with the team and how they need to play to get better very well with the media. I can't vouch for how well he reaches the players or gets them to buy in but it's clear he has his fingers on the problem. That's the easy part I guess.
- MJL

Hopefully he finds a way to get his fingers in the problem soon...

I just want to know what caused this team to become so rotten so quick, basically the same team...what changed? Is everyone upset how the Simmonds situation is going? Is Provorov getting bullied in the locker room? Obviously they are getting pizza now, so that can't be it. Something happened or is happening that caused this. There is no way every player on the team woke up, lost their confidence and are stuck in a 43 game slump.
- Glak18

It obviously happened over a period of time. In my opinion it all started with developing some very bad habits and individual breakdowns in losing the team structure. From there it has snowballed to the point where they're having a tough time handling adversity and when they face it they then actually almost try too hard and play as individuals and try to make a lot of plays that simply don't work in the NHL. There's also games where the work ethic and level of compete hasn't been there. I also think goaltending has been a big part of it.

It obviously happened over a period of time. In my opinion it all started with developing some very bad habits and individual breakdowns in losing the team structure. From there it has snowballed to the point where they're having a tough time handling adversity and when they face it they then actually almost try too hard and play as individuals and try to make a lot of plays that simply don't work in the NHL. There's also games where the work ethic and level of compete hasn't been there. I also think goaltending has been a big part of it.
- MJL

I think that had a huge effect early in the season. If they had gotten solid goaltending I have a feeling things would be so much different.

Not solely blaming the goalies...just saying if they could have stole a game or been pretty solid things might have change the direction of this team.

And well deserved. Raffl was playing pretty good hockey not that long ago even when the team was losing, not sure if it was the St. Louis or Washington game now, but he has been playing horrible lately.

It's the way it should be, play good get minutes or play bad get reduced minutes...don't care what your name is, how much you get paid or what you did the previous game every player should need to earn those minutes. Sadly not everyone is being judged the same.
- Glak18

But with Weal gone he will play on different line hopefully better
Still curious who will be next

It obviously happened over a period of time. In my opinion it all started with developing some very bad habits and individual breakdowns in losing the team structure. From there it has snowballed to the point where they're having a tough time handling adversity and when they face it they then actually almost try too hard and play as individuals and try to make a lot of plays that simply don't work in the NHL. There's also games where the work ethic and level of compete hasn't been there. I also think goaltending has been a big part of it.
- MJL

Handling adversity? Do you not remember last year? They had many of the same issues last year, which probably what you are alluding to as snowballed, they are facing this year. Playing a full 60 minute game, 10 game losing streaks, giving up the first goal, goaltending issues...all the same. They also put some of it together to make the playoffs, although I believe that happened on skill alone by their players not structure as a team. I am extremely happy they made the playoffs, but last year was not that good of a year for the Flyers. You would think they would be stronger towards adversity now.

What really changed then?

I think that had a huge effect early in the season. If they had gotten solid goaltending I have a feeling things would be so much different.

Not solely blaming the goalies...just saying if they could have stole a game or been pretty solid things might have change the direction of this team.
- J35Bacher

Like I mentioned in the above post, was their goaltending that much better last year?

Ok, they are going through goaltenders left and right, but they made the playoffs with an injured Neuvirth and an Elliott that looked like absolute crap coming back from core surgery.

Gordon wont stick. He'd have to get the Flyers into the playoffs to make a case. I dont think the Flyers intend to keep him as the head coach or ever did.

I think that had a huge effect early in the season. If they had gotten solid goaltending I have a feeling things would be so much different.

Not solely blaming the goalies...just saying if they could have stole a game or been pretty solid things might have change the direction of this team.
- J35Bacher

I agree, having bad goals or bad games by goaltenders can deflate a team.