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youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 11 @ 2:33 PM ET
When you say split time, you mean place on IR to take Neuvirth's spot, but pay almost twice as much for Anderson?
- Glak18


You could say the same thing about any of the other goalies Flyers are rumored to after... Howard, Crawford, and Quick....
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 11 @ 2:34 PM ET
Historically Anderson has had a very noticeable habit of being 'on' one year, 'off' the next - it's very obvious looking at his stats. Now consider this is supposed to be an 'on' year, and check where he's at right now.

Inclined to believe they should try to offload him to any interested party, because if (when) he goes into 'off' mode next year... yikes.

- Bartacus


Anderson is only viable for a team who already has a solid starter and may have a shaky backup and the team wants security or depth. He is not worth anything to be a starter for any team to "hold the fort".

Best case Anderson gets a very late round pick or conditional pick, Ottawa could always waive him and he might be picked up by a desperate team, but probably not since he has 1 year left with a 4.7 cap hit.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 11 @ 2:34 PM ET
Any trade proposal that contains Provorov is hilarious.


A strong argument could be made for him being the most valuable asset on that team apart from their 1st round pick this year

- classic321


Carter Hart... but one could still argue.
obie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Oshawa, ON
Joined: 09.17.2005

Jan 11 @ 2:34 PM ET
Any trade proposal that contains Provorov is hilarious.


A strong argument could be made for him being the most valuable asset on that team apart from their 1st round pick this year

- classic321


Until they get Anderson in net! MVP!
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 11 @ 2:37 PM ET
You could say the same thing about any of the other goalies Flyers are rumored to after... Howard, Crawford, and Quick....
- youarewrong


Yup and I do. Howard is the only one though who has put up decent numbers for a bad team and doesn't have the injury history as the other two. Howard is inconsistent at times and can really throw up a stinker, but the wins Detroit have this year can be linked back to Howard one way or another.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jan 11 @ 2:41 PM ET
Listen, Anderson would be a decent guy to split games with Hart I'll give you that. Ryan isn't a terrible player but he isn't worth even 70% of his contract. So you cant throw them into a deal and expect them to be valuable adds.

Add in that Duchene is UFA and you want our current top prospect (Frost) who is comparable to Giroux plus Konecny who is the closest thing we have to someone with speed that can shoot the puck and its not happening.... unless its for Duchene and Stone.

- youarewrong
I'm telling you Anderson is the right guy for the position. He's not going to cost you what others' will and he is still very good. He has injury issues but when he's healthy, he can win you games.

I can agree with Ryan not being worth 70% of his contract. I'd take him at 4.75m cap hit for sure. I personally think Ryan is a very useful player but needs a change of scenery big time. He is a 4-5m player in today's game. He can still hit 20g and 50pt in a 82 game season. Pros: PP, playmaking vision, hands, good teammate. Cons: CONTRACT, confidence, inconsistency, and lack of speed/engagement at times. He and Giroux are great friends. He can play both LW/RW. With a change of location AND being in a Flyer's uni I personally think he would thrive. Plus he's from that area. I'm not saying he'd be a 30g guy but I can see him being a player that would have a comeback season next year; along with contributing well this season.

As for Stone + Duchene, I imagine the Sens allowing them to negotiate deals with the teams their going to; the players and teams would benefit from the security.
Sens would be much better served to keep 1 and overpay a bit then lose them for lower return
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 11 @ 2:41 PM ET
Yup and I do. Howard is the only one though who has put up decent numbers for a bad team and doesn't have the injury history as the other two. Howard is inconsistent at times and can really throw up a stinker, but the wins Detroit have this year can be linked back to Howard one way or another.
- Glak18


I dont need someone that is going to steal games this season. I just need someone that can play a decent game and not get hurt in 2 weeks. I dont think Anderson is as injury prone as you think he is. If he is a throw in as part of a Stone and Duchene deal, then its one less trade you have to make.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jan 11 @ 2:43 PM ET
Anderson is only viable for a team who already has a solid starter and may have a shaky backup and the team wants security or depth. He is not worth anything to be a starter for any team to "hold the fort".

Best case Anderson gets a very late round pick or conditional pick, Ottawa could always waive him and he might be picked up by a desperate team, but probably not since he has 1 year left with a 4.7 cap hit.

- Glak18
Anderson is perfect for the Flyers' IMO. Not like it's going to happen but he'll give you 1 solid year of goaltending

but if I'm a Flyers' fan I'd want to tank this year, their not winning the cup so why not get another top prospect
Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 06.03.2008

Jan 11 @ 2:43 PM ET
Since your a CBJ fan let me ask your opinion. I was throwing around a trade idea earlier.... From a columbus prospective and knowing you want to compete this year and not lose Panarin and Bob for nothing would you do this?

To CBJ: Voracek, Simmonds, Jake Allen, 2019 Phi 2nd
To Philly: Panarin, Tarasenko
To STL: Bobrovsky, Conditional 2020 Flyers 1st, Conditional 2020 CBJ first

- youarewrong



Bob matter is resolved

https://www.tsn.ca/kekala...matter-resolved-1.1239764
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 11 @ 2:47 PM ET
Bob matter is resolved

https://www.tsn.ca/kekala...matter-resolved-1.1239764

- Alexzanki


I'll believe its resolved when he signs an extension. lol
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Jan 11 @ 2:54 PM ET
AlfieisKing: I'm telling you Anderson is the right guy for the position. He's not going to cost you what others' will and he is still very good. He has injury issues but when he's healthy, he can win you games.

Pros: PP, playmaking vision, hands, good teammate. Cons: CONTRACT, confidence, inconsistency, and lack of speed/engagement at times.

I'd actually say his biggest con is glass hands.
Only_A_Ladd
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Sabres VERY Much in Hellebuyck Hearing they are the closest treat to getting a deal…bu a mile., CA
Joined: 06.06.2013

Jan 11 @ 2:54 PM ET
How did you get rid of Herpes the first time? I thought you had it for life, like luggage.
- BOSS_TWEED


powdered kitchen soap+brillo pad+vigorous scrubbing
Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 06.03.2008

Jan 11 @ 2:54 PM ET
I'll believe its resolved when he signs an extension. lol
- youarewrong

to answer your question, I think management will let them walk and throw money at assets that can replace them. In nets, Korpi is somewhat as good as Bob at his worst and Merzinklis can always pitch in , he looks promising.

So in nets , they sorta have a contingency plan, at forward is where the money will need to be spent replace Panarin .
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 11 @ 2:54 PM ET
I dont need someone that is going to steal games this season. I just need someone that can play a decent game and not get hurt in 2 weeks. I dont think Anderson is as injury prone as you think he is. If he is a throw in as part of a Stone and Duchene deal, then its one less trade you have to make.
- youarewrong


You say this as Anderson sits on IR. He will be 38 in May and you talk like he's an iron man goalie, could you imagine him on the Flyers next year and getting injured?
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 11 @ 2:55 PM ET
I'm telling you Anderson is the right guy for the position. He's not going to cost you what others' will and he is still very good. He has injury issues but when he's healthy, he can win you games.

I can agree with Ryan not being worth 70% of his contract. I'd take him at 4.75m cap hit for sure. I personally think Ryan is a very useful player but needs a change of scenery big time. He is a 4-5m player in today's game. He can still hit 20g and 50pt in a 82 game season. Pros: PP, playmaking vision, hands, good teammate. Cons: CONTRACT, confidence, inconsistency, and lack of speed/engagement at times. He and Giroux are great friends. He can play both LW/RW. With a change of location AND being in a Flyer's uni I personally think he would thrive. Plus he's from that area. I'm not saying he'd be a 30g guy but I can see him being a player that would have a comeback season next year; along with contributing well this season.

As for Stone + Duchene, I imagine the Sens allowing them to negotiate deals with the teams their going to; the players and teams would benefit from the security.
Sens would be much better served to keep 1 and overpay a bit then lose them for lower return

- AlfieisKing


I said this earlier... tell me what you think. Duchene, Stone, and Anderson for Voracek, Lindblom, Myers, Conditional 2020 1st if both Duchene and Stone resign, lottery protected. And Flyers have to be able to talk to players before deal is done to see if they are willing to resign.

Voracek is still a good player and signed long term so you dont have to worry about him wanting "out".

Lindblom isn't a fancy name like Frost or Farabee but he has to potential to be a very good 2 way player. Has been playing in SEL and was a top guy over there and is struggling a bit this year, but thats more sophmore and current flyers situation IMO.

Myers is a completely under the radar player. A lot of people expect big things from him. I dont see him as a #1 d-man but a 2-3 guy that will put up a tone of points... yes.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 11 @ 2:57 PM ET
Anderson is perfect for the Flyers' IMO. Not like it's going to happen but he'll give you 1 solid year of goaltending

but if I'm a Flyers' fan I'd want to tank this year, their not winning the cup so why not get another top prospect

- AlfieisKing


He is not perfect for the Flyers, he becomes a big question mark for more money they are currently spending. Even if they sign a backup in the offseason or continue to pick guys off waivers they are basically in the same situation.

You know where Anderson is a perfect fit...Ottawa. Flyers have goaltending issues, but Ottawa is in worse shape.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jan 11 @ 3:16 PM ET
AlfieisKing: I'm telling you Anderson is the right guy for the position. He's not going to cost you what others' will and he is still very good. He has injury issues but when he's healthy, he can win you games.

Pros: PP, playmaking vision, hands, good teammate. Cons: CONTRACT, confidence, inconsistency, and lack of speed/engagement at times.

I'd actually say his biggest con is glass hands.

- Bartacus

AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jan 11 @ 3:18 PM ET
He is not perfect for the Flyers, he becomes a big question mark for more money they are currently spending. Even if they sign a backup in the offseason or continue to pick guys off waivers they are basically in the same situation.

You know where Anderson is a perfect fit...Ottawa. Flyers have goaltending issues, but Ottawa is in worse shape.

- Glak18
Ottawa is in worse shape because their own is an idiot. Flyers are in bad shape because they refuse to get a solid goalie and commit to a direction --- right now the chemistry on that team isn't right. Ottawa sucks but just won 2 big games without Anderson, Chabot, and Duchene !!
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jan 11 @ 3:19 PM ET
As a former STH, this is nonsense.....but since im no longer a STH my opinion doesnt hold as much substance
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jan 11 @ 3:25 PM ET
Holy (frank)! Jesus Christ no!
meduser
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: BC
Joined: 06.23.2012

Jan 11 @ 3:25 PM ET
o PHI

M. Stone 7.35M
C. Anderson 4.75M
M. Lajoie 0.710M
3rd round pick 2020* (OTT owns CLB 3rd round pick 2020, PHI receives highest pick)



To OTT

N. Patrick 0.925M
J. Voracek 8.25M
I. Provorov 0.894M
M. Neuvirth 2.5M
1st round pick 2019
3rd round pick 2020* (becomes 2nd round pick if Stone resigns)


So Philly would give a first rounder, Provy(7th overall), Patrick (2nd overall) for a UFA and 35 year old goalie?

Have another toke
PavohnDatsvares
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.03.2016

Jan 11 @ 3:25 PM ET
This is gonna be a fun comment thread.

*Opens popcorn*
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jan 11 @ 3:27 PM ET
I said this earlier... tell me what you think. Duchene, Stone, and Anderson for Voracek, Lindblom, Myers, Conditional 2020 1st if both Duchene and Stone resign, lottery protected. And Flyers have to be able to talk to players before deal is done to see if they are willing to resign.

Voracek is still a good player and signed long term so you dont have to worry about him wanting "out".

Lindblom isn't a fancy name like Frost or Farabee but he has to potential to be a very good 2 way player. Has been playing in SEL and was a top guy over there and is struggling a bit this year, but thats more sophmore and current flyers situation IMO.

Myers is a completely under the radar player. A lot of people expect big things from him. I dont see him as a #1 d-man but a 2-3 guy that will put up a tone of points... yes.

- youarewrong
No.

If Sens are going to sell trade Stone to a team their going to have to get MASSIVE return. I do agree that they should go to teams that can resign them.

But what are the Sens going to do with a Voraek aged 30-35. They would have to flip him again in the summer and try and get good return. They want prospects. I'd have to think Frost or Farabee would be coming back the other way
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 11 @ 3:27 PM ET
Ottawa is in worse shape because their own is an idiot. Flyers are in bad shape because they refuse to get a solid goalie and commit to a direction --- right now the chemistry on that team isn't right. Ottawa sucks but just won 2 big games without Anderson, Chabot, and Duchene !!
- AlfieisKing


Please keep winning
PavohnDatsvares
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.03.2016

Jan 11 @ 3:28 PM ET
Why on earth would the Sens want pieces for this year??

But for the sake of argument I'll bite

To PHI

M. Stone 7.35M
C. Anderson 4.75M
M. Lajoie 0.710M
3rd round pick 2020* (OTT owns CLB 3rd round pick 2020, PHI receives highest pick)



To OTT

N. Patrick 0.925M
J. Voracek 8.25M
I. Provorov 0.894M
M. Neuvirth 2.5M
1st round pick 2019
3rd round pick 2020* (becomes 2nd round pick if Stone resigns)

- Halfday77


Are you insane? As a Sens fan, I'll take that all day. I'll even add Dzingel for no extra ask, since you're being so generous.
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