Trevor Shackles: No Excuse to not Trade Cody Ceci Before the Deadline Cody Ceci needs to be traded before the deadline.

I am not a fan of Ceci...but also think the criticism has started to take on Larry Murphy type dimensions. When you see a flaw you look for more flaws. And, when you search for flaws, all you see is flaws.By the time Larry Murphy was traded by the Leafs he was booed any and every time he touched the puck. He was traded and went on to become a top Dman and a regular contender for the Norris.

Spoke to a guy who claims to have a serious contact in the scouting fraternity. He told me the interest in Ceci is very strong and the return will be good. Insiders believe his game will thrive outside the Boucher defensive (shot blocking) regime. Ceci played 23 minutes against Colorado and was +2 on the night, he looked very good.

Suggested to me that Ceci will bring a 1st in any deadline trade deal. I don't believe he will. We will see soon enough. Current activity suggests that Ceci will be first to go in any trade deal. Leafs are one of the teams scouting Ceci.

at this point just getting him out of the lineup is worth more than any return you'll get for him.

just take a 5th round pick, or future considerations and call it a day

I am not a fan of Ceci...but also think the criticism has started to take on Larry Murphy type dimensions. When you see a flaw you look for more flaws. And, when you search for flaws, all you see is flaws.By the time Larry Murphy was traded by the Leafs he was booed any and every time he touched the puck. He was traded and went on to become a top Dman and a regular contender for the Norris.

Spoke to a guy who claims to have a serious contact in the scouting fraternity. He told me the interest in Ceci is very strong and the return will be good. Insiders believe his game will thrive outside the Boucher defensive (shot blocking) regime. Ceci played 23 minutes against Colorado and was +2 on the night, he looked very good.

Suggested to me that Ceci will bring a 1st in any deadline trade deal. I don't believe he will. We will see soon enough. Current activity suggests that Ceci will be first to go in any trade deal. Leafs are one of the teams scouting Ceci.
- spatso

that's the problem with ceci, and the people who "support him"......you say he looked very good. he absolutely didn't look very good, he had zero impact on that game other than one secondary assits. He just didn't make 11 glaring and costly mistakes and wasn't noticeably awful.

"not noticeably awful" has become ceci's "very good".........THAT is why he needs to be shipped out for whatever you can get for him ASAP. that and the fact that he's an anchor for all the young guys he plays with......Lajoie looked great until he got anchored to ceci, and has been avg to below avg every since.

that's the problem with ceci, and the people who "support him"......you say he looked very good. he absolutely didn't look very good, he had zero impact on that game other than one secondary assits. He just didn't make 11 glaring and costly mistakes and wasn't noticeably awful.

"not noticeably awful" has become ceci's "very good".........THAT is why he needs to be shipped out for whatever you can get for him ASAP. that and the fact that he's an anchor for all the young guys he plays with......Lajoie looked great until he got anchored to ceci, and has been avg to below avg every since.
- sensarmy_11

You could be right. I don't watch him that closely. I'm agnostic on the entire Ceci debate. However, if he goes for a first round pick? Perhaps scouts see something in his game that we might be missing.


I do find it kind of funny that detractors are starting to say he is not worth a second round pick. Perhaps they are trying to talk down the ask in order to rationalize their evaluation of his play.

I honestly don't know.

Really wondering what the return on Ceci would be.

You could be right. I don't watch him that closely. I'm agnostic on the entire Ceci debate. However, if he goes for a first round pick? Perhaps scouts see something in his game that we might be missing.


I do find it kind of funny that detractors are starting to say he is not worth a second round pick. Perhaps they are trying to talk down the ask in order to rationalize their evaluation of his play.

I honestly don't know.
- spatso

if you think only detractors are saying he isn't worth a 1st rd pick than you aren't paying attention................I think if any GM pays a 2nd rd pick for a guy who's been, statistically speaking, one of the absolute worst players in the ENTIRE NHL for the last 3 years....they should be instantly fired.

if Dorion can get a 2nd for Ceci it will EASILY be the best trade he's ever made as a GM.

realistically speaking, I'd be happy with a 4th or 5th rd pick and/or a project prospect

Really wondering what the return on Ceci would be.
- david22

if you think only detractors are saying he isn't worth a 1st rd pick than you aren't paying attention................I think if any GM pays a 2nd rd pick for a guy who's been, statistically speaking, one of the absolute worst players in the ENTIRE NHL for the last 3 years....they should be instantly fired.

if Dorion can get a 2nd for Ceci it will EASILY be the best trade he's ever made as a GM.

realistically speaking, I'd be happy with a 4th or 5th rd pick and/or a project prospect
- sensarmy_11

Seriously, do you think this is a flash point between the traditional hockey evaluators (management and scouts) and those who give higher priority to statistical models for evaluation.

It will be interesting to see what kind of return he brings.

The Sens are not trading him for any of those reasons. They want to trade him because they have no intention of negotiating a new deal with him.

Seriously, do you think this is a flash point between the traditional hockey evaluators (management and scouts) and those who give higher priority to statistical models for evaluation.

It will be interesting to see what kind of return he brings.

The Sens are not trading him for any of those reasons. They want to trade him because they have no intention of negotiating a new deal with him.
- spatso

I think the ONLY stat (traditional or advanced) that Ceci has that is good is his TOI.....people might see 22 mins per night and think it means something. They would have to ignore the fact that for 21 minutes of that he's a complete tire fire.

Ceci fails the eye test, he fails the traditional stat test, and he HORRIBLY fails the analytic test.

there is not one single redeeming quality in his game. he's not a great skater, his shot isn't strong, his defensive play is atrocious, his hockey IQ is non-existent, his passing is below average, his physical play is laughable.....I can go on and on and on.

this is an instance where I'd be ecstatic to be proven wrong and see a GM give up a decent return for him..........but I dont' think I am.

I would hope that Ottawa could pick up a second round and a fourth/fifth round pick for Ceci. I believe that the team is better served building around a younger core of Chabot, Wolanin, Demelo, Jaros and Bernard-Docker. The dollars could go towards paying Mark Stone.

I do believe that the criticism of Ceci has been excessive. The love for Wideman/Claesson as being far superior to Ceci when playing sheltered minutes was questionable at best. Both Wideman/Claesson aren't even NHL regulars anymore.

I think the ONLY stat (traditional or advanced) that Ceci has that is good is his TOI.....people might see 22 mins per night and think it means something. They would have to ignore the fact that for 21 minutes of that he's a complete tire fire.

Ceci fails the eye test, he fails the traditional stat test, and he HORRIBLY fails the analytic test.

there is not one single redeeming quality in his game. he's not a great skater, his shot isn't strong, his defensive play is atrocious, his hockey IQ is non-existent, his passing is below average, his physical play is laughable.....I can go on and on and on.

this is an instance where I'd be ecstatic to be proven wrong and see a GM give up a decent return for him..........but I dont' think I am.
- sensarmy_11

So, we will classify you as leaning towards "no" in your assessment of Ceci.

I hope Toronto gets him.

if you think only detractors are saying he isn't worth a 1st rd pick than you aren't paying attention................I think if any GM pays a 2nd rd pick for a guy who's been, statistically speaking, one of the absolute worst players in the ENTIRE NHL for the last 3 years....they should be instantly fired.

if Dorion can get a 2nd for Ceci it will EASILY be the best trade he's ever made as a GM.

realistically speaking, I'd be happy with a 4th or 5th rd pick and/or a project prospect
- sensarmy_11

Well GM's sometimes overpay at the the deadline. I think a second may be a bit tough to get. a first would be a pretty surprising haul.

Well GM's sometimes overpay at the the deadline. I think a second may be a bit tough to get. a first would be a pretty surprising haul.
- Aetherial

I can't see it.

I think it will either be a late round pick or like a "C" prospect

or it will be something similar to the Schenn/Del Zotto trade....move him for an equally poopty dman who will be cheaper. Ceci has to be qualified at or above what he made this year, which is double what he's worth.

Like Travis said, Ceci is what he is......at this point in his career, he's not going to get better, and he isn't bad because of the team he plays on....if anything, the team results are worse because he's on the team.

I think he's in Jared Cowen territory now, he's either close to worthless or he's a throw in cap dump in a bigger trade.

Sens just need to cut their losses and move on

Really wondering what the return on Ceci would be.
- david22

Taylor Hall

Taylor Hall
- AdamFrench

low blow dude

low blow dude


- sensarmy_11

Chiapet is still out there. There's always hope. The guys on the radio seem to think outside of Ottawa, everybody thinks Ceci is a top quality guy in a bad situation. You never know.

Sell low..... great idea.

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Martinook-Wallmark-Svechnikov
Niederreiter-McKegg-Williams
Foegele-Maenalanen-McGinn

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TVR-Hamilton

if you think only detractors are saying he isn't worth a 1st rd pick than you aren't paying attention................I think if any GM pays a 2nd rd pick for a guy who's been, statistically speaking, one of the absolute worst players in the ENTIRE NHL for the last 3 years....they should be instantly fired.

if Dorion can get a 2nd for Ceci it will EASILY be the best trade he's ever made as a GM.

realistically speaking, I'd be happy with a 4th or 5th rd pick and/or a project prospect
- sensarmy_11

Somewhere, Peter Chiarelli just got an erection

Sell low..... great idea.
- Charliebox

The longer they wait the lower it gets......they need to just get it over with. His value will never go up, just continue to decrease.

Sound like a classic post i would see on silver seven sens which im not welcome anymore because people who dont follow the groupthinking in there are mauled.

At this point i pray that he get traded because im tired of repetitive bs.Someone came with how wideman,claesson and even weircioch were sooooo good but are not even NHL'ers.Same with this pylon that was erik condra.Good analytic stats but still fringe NHL players at best.Ceci still log of minutes so he have stamina that previous mentionned players lack.In a better environmment and better coached team,i could see Ceci being better.Not great obviously but better.I still trust Ceci more than any other RHD we got except than Demelo.Who come in to replace him when he's gone? Jaros,Harpur,Lajoie? Yeah sure lolll.

I dont mind Ceci being traded for picks/prospects IF Dzingel get traded for a young RHD because RHD depth which is already poor would be even worse if it dont go that way.

Oh and by the way...people seem to forget that Cowen was pretty promising because he get his big hip injury.Cowen is gone since couple of years so it would be cool to give it a rest but if talking bs is the cup of tea for some on here,remember that he suffered almost career ending injury and his abilities fell of a cliff after that.Classic exemple of just looking at whatever stats and dont take circumtances into account.

that's the problem with ceci, and the people who "support him"......you say he looked very good. he absolutely didn't look very good, he had zero impact on that game other than one secondary assits. He just didn't make 11 glaring and costly mistakes and wasn't noticeably awful.

"not noticeably awful" has become ceci's "very good".........THAT is why he needs to be shipped out for whatever you can get for him ASAP. that and the fact that he's an anchor for all the young guys he plays with......Lajoie looked great until he got anchored to ceci, and has been avg to below avg every since.
- sensarmy_11

u talk about Ceci like he doesn't play in the NHL. I understand your frustration but to say he's an anchor I think is not true. He is at least a 3rd pairing D-man and I still hold that in the right situation he can play a 4th d-man role.

Pierre McGuire defending him big time on TSN radio today

u talk about Ceci like he doesn't play in the NHL. I understand your frustration but to say he's an anchor I think is not true. He is at least a 3rd pairing D-man and I still hold that in the right situation he can play a 4th d-man role.

Pierre McGuire defending him big time on TSN radio today
- AlfieisKing

saying pierre mcguire is defending him is basically proving my point

as for Ceci....man, stats don't lie. he is statistically one of the worst players in the entire league the last 3 years.

it's 25 posts here and like 3-4 people who are defending him, yet not one person has mentioned anything that he does well. all anyone has said is that he plays a lot of minutes.

there are a lot of players on this team to get excited about. a few who are great right now and even more who will be in the future. Ceci doesn't fit into that category.

Ceci, Boro, and Falk are not cracking the NHL roster of a large majority of teams in the NHL.....and if they do it's as a 7th dman. He still plays a regular shift in Ottawa because this team infuriatingly refuses to ever give up on players who they draft in the 1st round..........or it takes them years to realize that they're busts, and by the time they do the players have lost all value (ceci, lazar, lee, cowen, puempel, etc)

to give you an idea how much he gets pinned in his own end......in 43 games this year, while he's on the ice, the opposing team has had 1036 shot attempts against. that is BY FAAAARRRRRRR the worst in the NHL. the second worst has been on for 50 less shot attempts, and that's in 6 more games.

does ceci play a lot of minutes......sure.....but he plays an overwhelming majority of those minutes getting dominated in his own end.

maybe people are right, maybe some GM will overpay for him based on how many minutes he plays and the fact that he was a 1st rd pick......anything is possible. but anyone who thinks that ceci is anything but one of the worst dmen in the entire league is flat out wrong