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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 19 @ 1:21 PM ET
No. I put no stock in what is said. Weise is a teammate and no teammate is going to throw him under the bus. They are going to talk him up. Weise spoke earlier this year about how he was upset with his role and he didnt appear to accept it. I dont feel that this is happening because Weise has played poorly or because of his attitude though. I think Gordon wants NAK on the team.

Think about it? Why not just demote him and call it a day? Flyers have a ton of cap space so money isnt an issue, scratching him or demoting him keeps him out of the line up so why handle the situation this way? Answer: Weise is a well respected player by the team and management, so they are doing him a favour and trading him somewhere where he will get what he wants. He is a trade piece as well because management knows he has value. That is why a guy like Weise is being shopped over Lehtera.

If Weise was a bad influence on anyone the simplest solution would be to just demote him.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


If they feel Weise is a bad influence, why would they want him around their young players in the AHL?
Here's what this is. The Flyers, in the NHL basement are saying he can't play for us and we don't want him around our team. Anyone interested? if they were just trying to trade him to do a favor for him, why send him away from the team? There's more to it?
Daceroni
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: AB
Joined: 11.20.2006

Jan 19 @ 1:25 PM ET
Throwing out a young defense corps without veteran support is a bad recipe. The value that Gudas has in a trade is the same value for keeping him.
- MJL

I totally agree here why trade him if he has value if you are getting back what you trade, you know exactly what you have with Gudas. Although not great with the puck he is a warrior excellent on the PK and super physical(really cleaned up his act this year) Keep him as your RH shot defenseman as he is the only one currently on the roster(not including Folin as he is just horrible)
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 19 @ 1:28 PM ET
I'm pretty sure he is waived till he plays a nhl game then it resets, or like you said if he does not play an ahl game in say 30 days he is automatically not waived anymore
- mydoglicks


10 games or 30 days.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 19 @ 1:29 PM ET
For sure, I am just confident they can get a good return. Just shows how much better Gudas has played this year since I certainly didn’t think this after last season.

I’m still of a mind that I would like to pick up a veteran defenseman who can be paired with Provy if things don’t go so great for Provy, Ghost and Sanheim. A legitimate team leader type.

- NC Flyers Fan


Are you prepared to pay the cost for that? For example the rumored cost for Jake Muzzin from LA is a 1st round pick and a prospect.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jan 19 @ 1:36 PM ET
The players are trained to reply to questions from reporters a certain way. I think Patrick just got carried away with it.
- StepfordSam


Agreed. I don't doubt he likes Weise, but I'm guessing Patrick was trying to be nice and went a big overboard.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 19 @ 1:44 PM ET
Are you prepared to pay the cost for that? For example the rumored cost for Jake Muzzin from LA is a 1st round pick and a prospect.
- MJL


To be honest, I really want that RH shot. And yes, I’m willing to pay for it. May have to work really hard on other trades to get someone else’s first to compensate for that loss. As far as prospects, yes...we are well stocked.

I don’t want a repeat of this season if young defensemen struggle and the fit was awkward to begin with.

goenzoy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.11.2014

Jan 19 @ 1:46 PM ET
The players are trained to reply to questions from reporters a certain way. I think Patrick just got carried away with it.
- StepfordSam


Yes they talk like parrots.Some like Macaws some like Cockatoos
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jan 19 @ 1:53 PM ET
To be honest, I really want that RH shot. And yes, I’m willing to pay for it. May have to work really hard on other trades to get someone else’s first to compensate for that loss. As far as prospects, yes...we are well stocked.

I don’t want a repeat of this season if young defensemen struggle and the fit was awkward to begin with.

- NC Flyers Fan

Phil Myers is a righty. Might as well see what he adds to the big club first.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 19 @ 1:58 PM ET
Phil Myers is a righty. Might as well see what he adds to the big club first.
- hereticpride


He is not the veteran that I meant. However, I think we will see some of Myers and Morin this season, which will be great. If Fletcher is looking to move one of the younger defensemen, I wouldn’t think that it would happen until the off season.

Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jan 19 @ 2:06 PM ET
If Weise truly is unhappy with his role, what team in the league is going to give him more TOI? If he can't find time in one of the worst teams in the league, he's not finding it anywhere.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jan 19 @ 2:06 PM ET
Here's to hoping Hart gets his first road win.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 19 @ 2:07 PM ET
Here's to hoping Hart gets his first road win.
- Pelle31Forever


nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jan 19 @ 2:10 PM ET
To be honest, I really want that RH shot. And yes, I’m willing to pay for it. May have to work really hard on other trades to get someone else’s first to compensate for that loss. As far as prospects, yes...we are well stocked.

I don’t want a repeat of this season if young defensemen struggle and the fit was awkward to begin with.

- NC Flyers Fan



yeah, really not giving up a lottery pick if i was in charge
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 19 @ 2:11 PM ET
yeah, really not giving up a lottery pick if i was in charge
- nastyflyergirl


You can trade other year’s picks too.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jan 19 @ 2:12 PM ET
You can trade other year’s picks too.
- NC Flyers Fan

Muzzin is 29 and has one year left on his deal. I just don't see giving up a #1 for him.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 19 @ 2:13 PM ET
You can trade other year’s picks too.
- NC Flyers Fan

muzzin isn't what this team needs move on
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 19 @ 2:15 PM ET
Muzzin is 29 and has one year left on his deal. I just don't see giving up a #1 for him.
- nastyflyergirl


muzzin isn't what this team needs move on
- 2Real


Muzzin is a LH shot...I never said to trade for him.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jan 19 @ 2:16 PM ET
Muzzin is a LH shot...I never said to trade for him.
- NC Flyers Fan



yeah back reading i see you weren't the person who mentioned Muzzin, my bad
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 19 @ 2:18 PM ET
yeah back reading i see you weren't the person who mentioned Muzzin, my bad
- nastyflyergirl


NP

Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 19 @ 2:19 PM ET
If Weise truly is unhappy with his role, what team in the league is going to give him more TOI? If he can't find time in one of the worst teams in the league, he's not finding it anywhere.
- Pelle31Forever


People are speculating he is unhappy with his role, the speculations stem from his comments made in October 2018. Now it is 2019 and he is no longer with the team for reasons unknown.

For all we know, he dropped road apples throughout the locker room and the wrong person stepped in one.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 19 @ 2:22 PM ET
People are speculating he is unhappy with his role, the speculations stem from his comments made in October 2018. Now it is 2019 and he is no longer with the team for reasons no one knows.

For all we know, he dropped road apples throughout the locker room and the wrong person stepped in one.

- Glak18


The only recent news item involving Weise was the JJ and Jonesy “private” discussion.

Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 19 @ 2:33 PM ET
The only recent news item involving Weise was the JJ and Jonesy “private” discussion.
- NC Flyers Fan


And the only thing that was said was "Weise gotta go". We say that every day here...
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jan 19 @ 2:34 PM ET

Weise may not move by himself may be a part of a cap dump with a larger deal. Ottawa flyers specifically have been heavily scouting each other at the NHL and ahl level. Who knows what could happen.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 19 @ 2:37 PM ET
Weise may not move by himself may be a part of a cap dump with a larger deal. Ottawa flyers specifically have been heavily scouting each other at the NHL and ahl level. Who knows what could happen.
- Tfaehner


This seems more likely...that Weise is a add on part of a deal.

Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 19 @ 2:40 PM ET
Weise may not move by himself may be a part of a cap dump with a larger deal. Ottawa flyers specifically have been heavily scouting each other at the NHL and ahl level. Who knows what could happen.
- Tfaehner


Flyers have plenty of cap space, they could trade for the most expensive player and still have room. Dumping his salary is not needed, just getting rid of him is the bigger need.

Again even if the plan was to have Weise part of any trade...a dump, a swap or a bigger deal then this could all be done with Weise still practicing with the team.
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