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Jason Millen
St Louis Blues
Location: Saint Louis, MO
Joined: 01.28.2016

Jan 23 @ 4:24 PM ET
Jason Millen: Blues fumble away more points in LA. Berube ignores stats, goes with Binner Blues fumble away more points in LA. Berube ignores stats, goes with Binner
pucks4all
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.01.2011

Jan 23 @ 4:41 PM ET
Cheif is not a good coach! He wasn’t a good player either. What he used to be good at was motivating his players. I didn’t expect much from this team honestly. Schenn is a lazy player, he’s only good when he wants to be. R.O’R is a great second line center. And Tarasenko is an absolute stud. Pietrangelo is showing signs of being disengaged. He could use a change of scenery. I was hoping Allen would be the goalie to lead this team. Guess not. You can’t build a team through FA. This team should start selling soon. The quicker they do the better off they will be.
BluemanGuruu
St Louis Blues
Location: trustinjarmo knows nothing, MO
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jan 23 @ 6:19 PM ET
I think Parayko proved he could handle the number one and Petro continues to prove the C is too heavy.
BluesDroogie
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 06.12.2014

Jan 23 @ 6:35 PM ET
If the blues miss the playoffs and do not move Petro, as a new coach, whoever that is???? I would strip the captaincy and move forward into the new season without a captain. Make 1 emerge. Can you have a team with no alternates or assistant captains? All of ours now currently suck at it
BluesDroogie
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 06.12.2014

Jan 23 @ 10:21 PM ET
Now THAT is The Blues I have grown to.......... All pressure and nothing, then a goal against.

Yeah Boyes
St Louis Blues
Location: Ekland, MO
Joined: 04.20.2009

Jan 24 @ 9:35 AM ET
Great game last night (watched highlights this AM, could not stay up for it). Ek is full of cap as usual. No way we are moving Parayko. I don't get what the deal with Petro is, he'll have a great game or 2 then seemingly goes into a 3 game stretch of being terrible. Maybe someone else can explain it.
BluemanGuruu
St Louis Blues
Location: trustinjarmo knows nothing, MO
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jan 24 @ 9:44 AM ET
Great game last night (watched highlights this AM, could not stay up for it). Ek is full of cap as usual. No way we are moving Parayko. I don't get what the deal with Petro is, he'll have a great game or 2 then seemingly goes into a 3 game stretch of being terrible. Maybe someone else can explain it.
- Yeah Boyes

My only guess is triplets. Not enough sleep. Players are very habitual in their routines. Something that throws it off can and will.

This team just makes no sense. Of course playing a team that is terrible like the Ducks can make you look good. The only thing driving the Ducks this year is their goaltender. The Ducks usually get dominated. It's over half way through the season Gibson is going to be worn out.
The Ducks coverage looks a lot like the Blues. Which makes sense: a lot of good dmen and slow forwards only they have good goaltending.
sycsam
St Louis Blues
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.26.2008

Jan 24 @ 12:03 PM ET
February is a big month play well you are right in the playoff hunt

Play poorly you will be out of the playoffs and stuck in the 9th or 10th pick area

I think they go for it unless you are blown away by a trade offer
BluemanGuruu
St Louis Blues
Location: trustinjarmo knows nothing, MO
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jan 24 @ 2:58 PM ET
February is a big month play well you are right in the playoff hunt

Play poorly you will be out of the playoffs and stuck in the 9th or 10th pick area

I think they go for it unless you are blown away by a trade offer

- sycsam

If they would have won one more game and shown it's possible but they didn't get those two more points.

Now every game like last night is just a mirage because it's a seesaw. So you trade. You can trade and get better. Some of it is adding by subtracting.

I think this team is too slow, they played two of the slower teams and went 1-1.

The team is too flawed as is. If they had 51 ponits right now then by all means go for it. But chasing four teams just to get in at the expense of the surgery required would be betting on hope. You might as well buy a lottery ticket and hope it wins.
DeuceNine
St Louis Blues
Location: STL, MO
Joined: 08.11.2006

Jan 24 @ 3:37 PM ET
Pretty much 3 or 4 goals were not on JB. The pass you roast him on Millen was read as a shot, presumably due to the (typical) screen moving right in front of him. He had to assume it was a shot not seeing it clearly, and the pass is not his responsibility anyway.

JB is the future.
sycsam
St Louis Blues
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.26.2008

Jan 24 @ 5:37 PM ET
If they would have won one more game and shown it's possible but they didn't get those two more points.

Now every game like last night is just a mirage because it's a seesaw. So you trade. You can trade and get better. Some of it is adding by subtracting.

I think this team is too slow, they played two of the slower teams and went 1-1.

The team is too flawed as is. If they had 51 ponits right now then by all means go for it. But chasing four teams just to get in at the expense of the surgery required would be betting on hope. You might as well buy a lottery ticket and hope it wins.

- BluemanGuruu


Boils down to this do you think you have a shot at being much better next year or are you guaranteeing giving up a top 15 pick next year by going for it this year

I say go for it this year get the trade compensation for ROR over and see if you cant sneak in to the playoffs
eggsegan
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jan 24 @ 9:33 PM ET
My only guess is triplets. Not enough sleep. Players are very habitual in their routines. Something that throws it off can and will.

This team just makes no sense. Of course playing a team that is terrible like the Ducks can make you look good. The only thing driving the Ducks this year is their goaltender. The Ducks usually get dominated. It's over half way through the season Gibson is going to be worn out.
The Ducks coverage looks a lot like the Blues. Which makes sense: a lot of good dmen and slow forwards only they have good goaltending.

- BluemanGuruu


Couldn’t agree more on Petro. He’s a captain because he’s responsible and available. Seems like a good guy in general, meaning he’s probably trying to be as available as he can be to his overwhelmed wife.

Life nearly as out of balance as any civilian life could be. Petro should give up the captaincy for the moment. Don’t trade the guy. Trade Dunn. He’s Shatty 2.0. He’s still got that “potential” tag...
bcallaway
St Louis Blues
Location: The Clown may be the source of mirth - but who shall make the clown laugh?
Joined: 03.29.2006

Jan 25 @ 8:41 AM ET
Couldn’t agree more on Petro. He’s a captain because he’s responsible and available. Seems like a good guy in general, meaning he’s probably trying to be as available as he can be to his overwhelmed wife.

Life nearly as out of balance as any civilian life could be. Petro should give up the captaincy for the moment. Don’t trade the guy. Trade Dunn. He’s Shatty 2.0. He’s still got that “potential” tag...

- eggsegan


Screw that. Pietrangelo has been inconsistent and incomplete player a lot longer than this season. This has little to do with having triplets at home.

He has enough cheddar to hire three nannies if his wife needed. I don't buy this crap.

Pietrangelo is a wuss.
BluemanGuruu
St Louis Blues
Location: trustinjarmo knows nothing, MO
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jan 25 @ 10:39 AM ET
Screw that. Pietrangelo has been inconsistent and incomplete player a lot longer than this season. This has little to do with having triplets at home.

He has enough cheddar to hire three nannies if his wife needed. I don't buy this crap.

Pietrangelo is a wuss.

- bcallaway

He's had these flaws to his game for a few seasons it is true. They've just been worse. I don't know about wuss, but he's better than this and should play better.

He's one of those guys you trade and his game has a chance to grow, but if you argue in fear of seeing that growth sonewhere else, you'll watch his game stagnate here.

As to the Dunn, Shattenkirk 2.0, that's not a terrible thing. Dunn, though, has it in him to be better defensively and strong enough to use his body. I'm not worried about him one bit. Only year two and he's still growing.

I don't think trading Petro hurts this team all that much. I also think it prepares you for the expansion draft. At sone point you have to think about the future and this team as is doesn't provide that.

I'd bet Armstrong is ready to move such a player but sees a chance to get in and still gets worrisome about depth/injuries and the Blues are about to play a ton of games. That means a few things, one of which is Berube can manage minutes between Parayko and Petro would be one guess(though I haven't seen a coach yet smart enough to do something like that behind the Blues bench).
This team's just a huge disappointment. We'll see though as the games should get just a tad slower and the calls less. This might change things a bit.
Jason Millen
St Louis Blues
Location: Saint Louis, MO
Joined: 01.28.2016

Jan 25 @ 11:25 AM ET
Pretty much 3 or 4 goals were not on JB. The pass you roast him on Millen was read as a shot, presumably due to the (typical) screen moving right in front of him. He had to assume it was a shot not seeing it clearly, and the pass is not his responsibility anyway.

JB is the future.

- DeuceNine


I didn't roast him. It was a bad read. It happens. I do it all the time lol. From his angle, he saw the curl and imho the stick and arm angle give the pass away but like I said in the blog itself, it likely didn't matter.

As a goalie, i can't worry about responsibilities. I have to worry about my read on plays to put myself in the best position to be able to make a save. I can't worry about whether or not my team took care of their own responsibilities as I have to focus on taking care of my own. Once I try to cover their's along with mine, I'm (the team too) going to give up a lot more goals.

Binnington wasn't responsible for the loss but I'm betting he wasn't happy about his read on that play.

When I make the wrong read, I'm mad at myself whether they score or not on it. The idea for me is to work to understand why I read the play wrong and correct that mental (usually not physical) part of the process. Why did I read that situation that way? If you really want to improve, you focus on that rather than what the physical movement should have been on the play imho.
carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

Jan 25 @ 6:02 PM ET
So at the break, who is the most disappointing player for the Blues so far this season?

Even though there are a lot of players to choose from, Schwartz is at the top of my list personally.

I almost feel bad for him, because it has to be in his head. He just can't score on a goalie. 3 goals on the year? Terrible.
bcallaway
St Louis Blues
Location: The Clown may be the source of mirth - but who shall make the clown laugh?
Joined: 03.29.2006

Jan 25 @ 9:02 PM ET
So at the break, who is the most disappointing player for the Blues so far this season?

Even though there are a lot of players to choose from, Schwartz is at the top of my list personally.

I almost feel bad for him, because it has to be in his head. He just can't score on a goalie. 3 goals on the year? Terrible.

- carcus


Agree.
BluesDroogie
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 06.12.2014

Jan 25 @ 10:17 PM ET
So at the break, who is the most disappointing player for the Blues so far this season?

Even though there are a lot of players to choose from, Schwartz is at the top of my list personally.

I almost feel bad for him, because it has to be in his head. He just can't score on a goalie. 3 goals on the year? Terrible.

- carcus

Agree also. He is playing hard, just can't even buy a goal at this point
BluesDroogie
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 06.12.2014

Jan 25 @ 10:19 PM ET
Petro or Steen. Which one needs to go in order for the team to play better. Not both, just one.
BluemanGuruu
St Louis Blues
Location: trustinjarmo knows nothing, MO
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jan 26 @ 12:34 AM ET
Petro or Steen. Which one needs to go in order for the team to play better. Not both, just one.
- BluesDroogie

Steen but he's nearly an inmovable object, ntc, huge contract. If I were GM and I could get him to agree to go I'd be willing to eat some significant salary.

That means, as far as what you can get back and likely can get to waive ntc and not have to eat contract unless other team pays more in the trade.

Go to Toronto, they don't want to really trade good roster players...cool. some of their prospects I really like are B level according to the Toronto blogger which is awesome. I see some studs among the B level. Perhaps a few of them plus their first and I'd call it a win. Jeremy Bracco, Calle Rosen, the local kid Woll, Timofan; at least three of those and their first and I'd love it. I think Rienke's pretty close and the Finn is as well.

Add speed to the roster, you just need one player to pop or two to be above average to get a win. Bracco' won at a lot of levels, that's good stuff. Unless it's a must you keep him in the minors as well as the others and you have an extra protection spot come the expansion draft. Plus you save cap and no stress about resigning in a year.
Blueshockey47
St Louis Blues
Joined: 01.16.2013

Jan 26 @ 10:18 AM ET
Have to look at the fact that during peak offseason hype everyone was penciling in some combination of Fabbri, Thomas, Kyrou, or Kostin into our top 9.

Thomas is just now starting to earn his roster spot. I wouldn't be surprised if Doug was projecting 100 points out of a combination of these 4 before the season started. So far we've gotten about 20 points and 6 or so goals.

We essentially lost an entire top 9 line out of our offseason roster. That hurts just as bad as our veterans having off years to start the season.


eggsegan
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jan 26 @ 11:42 AM ET
So at the break, who is the most disappointing player for the Blues so far this season?

Even though there are a lot of players to choose from, Schwartz is at the top of my list personally.

I almost feel bad for him, because it has to be in his head. He just can't score on a goalie. 3 goals on the year? Terrible.

- carcus


Agree. His comparable early in his career was that he would be a Parise-type player. Seems as though the injuries came too soon for him to realize that potential...
BluesDroogie
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 06.12.2014

Jan 26 @ 11:49 AM ET
Steen but he's nearly an inmovable object, ntc, huge contract. If I were GM and I could get him to agree to go I'd be willing to eat some significant salary.

That means, as far as what you can get back and likely can get to waive ntc and not have to eat contract unless other team pays more in the trade.

Go to Toronto, they don't want to really trade good roster players...cool. some of their prospects I really like are B level according to the Toronto blogger which is awesome. I see some studs among the B level. Perhaps a few of them plus their first and I'd call it a win. Jeremy Bracco, Calle Rosen, the local kid Woll, Timofan; at least three of those and their first and I'd love it. I think Rienke's pretty close and the Finn is as well.

Add speed to the roster, you just need one player to pop or two to be above average to get a win. Bracco' won at a lot of levels, that's good stuff. Unless it's a must you keep him in the minors as well as the others and you have an extra protection spot come the expansion draft. Plus you save cap and no stress about resigning in a year.

- BluemanGuruu

Do you think that the management thinks or does buy him out in the offseason? Everything I've heard from local radio guys suggests that Steen is the problem in the locker room. Butt hurt about not being captain. Blues fans don't deserve this kind of 5hit.
eggsegan
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jan 26 @ 12:11 PM ET
Do you think that the management thinks or does buy him out in the offseason? Everything I've heard from local radio guys suggests that Steen is the problem in the locker room. Butt hurt about not being captain. Blues fans don't deserve this kind of 5hit.
- BluesDroogie


Why would Steen have this attitude? You think that he’s been this way since Petro was named captain in 2016? A two year-old grudge? Management would let that simmer for two years?

That sounds like radio guy bullpoop to keep people dialed in...
BluesDroogie
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 06.12.2014

Jan 26 @ 12:24 PM ET
Why would Steen have this attitude? You think that he’s been this way since Petro was named captain in 2016? A two year-old grudge? Management would let that simmer for two years?

That sounds like radio guy bullpoop to keep people dialed in...

- eggsegan

It comes from kerber and Strickland to a degree. I'm not making this up just to chat. When Steen is injured we play better there is something there in the locker room that is between Steen and Petro. Think about it. Blues had a great start last season then stumbles and missed the playoffs, it has continued into this season. They have the talent It seems to fit that there is a problem in the locker room.
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