Xizord
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: I am Eklund, QC Joined: 01.03.2007
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52 points in 53 games (Current Season)
62 points in 58 games (Last Season)
Now I can see your point that he has never accomplished this prior in his career, but most value him based on potential. I personally look at the consistency of a player and how often they accomplish it before giving them the tag. Many players have scored X amount of goals in their career to never accomplish it again, does that make them an X goal scorer for doing it once?
Defensively he is one of the best in the league, just because you don't hear him associated with the Selke award is your fault because last I checked there is more than 3 good defensive forwards in the league. He has been a league leader in takeaways for years now and is extremely defensively responsible even on bad teams.
Ehlers and a 1st....agreed too much for an unsigned rental. - Glak18
Ehlesr for Stone might be an interesting conversation thought
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AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: Canada, ON Joined: 11.05.2007
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you also do not understand why people do not like Trump either
right ? - Xizord
Stone is a legit top 3 forward on ANY team. He drives the play is one of the best 2-way forwards the Sens have ever had (saying a lot when your talking about Alfredsson, Hossa, Kelly)
That said I'm not sold on the 7-8 year deal (at a 8-8.5 cap hit) although I guess the salaries are changing now |
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Blueshirts16
New York Rangers |
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Location: Rangers Sweep Icelanders...go , NY Joined: 07.28.2009
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I’m sure the Rangers are talking to multiple teams about Zuccarello. If that is your rumor (a team talking to the rangers) and you have nothing else....why bother? |
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Cap437
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Winnipeg, MB Joined: 01.30.2017
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To Winnipeg:
-Mark Stone
To Ottawa:
-Nic Petan
-Logan Stanley
-2019 1st
-2020 3rd (Upgraded to 2nd if they reach SCF, Upgraded to 1st if they win SC) |
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To Winnipeg:
-Mark Stone
To Ottawa:
-Nic Petan
-Logan Stanley
-2019 1st
-2020 3rd (Upgraded to 2nd if they reach SCF, Upgraded to 1st if they win SC) - Cap437
As a Jets fan I would do this in a heartbeat |
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This would be awesome for the Jets but ONLY if somehow possible to extend Stone in the off-season. Not sure you can swing it unless Jets trade Kulikov, Perreault, and maybe even Little this summer, which will be a challenging feat. And it's doubtful Myers, Tanev, Copp are affordable with the dollars Winnipeg may need to spend on their 3 big RFA's. Trouba, Connor, and Laine are potentially going to cost the Jets $25 million! . . . Is Trouba gone? Are any of them expendable??
Just for kicks, what if Winnipeg and Carolina got together . . .
To Carolina:
- Patrick Laine
- 2020 3rd Round pick
- a conditional 3rd Rnd pick in 2021 (they ONLY receive this pick if Winnipeg receives Carolina's 1st Rounder—see below)
To Winnipeg:
- Andrei Svechnikov
- Brett Pesce (prefer Slavin if deal made pre-deadline--adjust draft picks accordingly)
- 2020 1st Round pick
- a conditional 2nd Round pick in 2021 (pick becomes a 1st Rounder if Laine scores 50 or wins the Rocket Richard trophy this year or next)
. . . Rationale:
- Carolina gets the best player in the deal, an elite goal scorer whom will probably thrive next to his fellow countrymen playmakers, Aho & Terevainen. This would have to be an exciting possibility for Carolina to consider!
- Winnipeg receives a goal scorer with elite potential whom is cost-controlled (ELC) for 2 years (save mention Svechnikov's connection to Dale Hawerchuk and the scouting reports of his tremendous work ethic). Couple that potential and cost savings with either Slavin--whom would solidify the Jets on left D for years--or Pesce, who is a solid and affordable, right shot D-man that can mitigate the potential loss(es) of Trouba and/or Myers this off-season. And getting one, potentially two 1st round picks, would sort of "soften" the loss of what could be 35-50 goals from Patrick Laine! (though probably not!!)
I know this is unthinkable and the Jets might be nuts to do this (and I'm sure I'll be labeled nuts for suggesting it!), but do they really want to pay Patrick Laine $10 million plus as it appears the market will dictate?? . . . Regardless of whom they do or do not add at the deadline??? Even if a trade for Stone included salary going Ottawa's way, could the Jets not use the money it will cost them to extend Laine to sign Stone instead, and perhaps preserve some of their current depth also?
You would think the Jets would acquire Stone only if confident he doesn't walk just like Stastny. The cost to trade for Stone, to me, should be determined on how they see their $$ being spent next year. Because no player added now guarantees a cup now.
Would enjoy some (friendly) feedback!
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Fountain-San
Boston Bruins |
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Location: Marchand is a rat fink dweeb.., ME Joined: 02.21.2007
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This would be awesome for the Jets but ONLY if somehow possible to extend Stone in the off-season. Not sure you can swing it unless Jets trade Kulikov, Perreault, and maybe even Little this summer, which will be a challenging feat. And it's doubtful Myers, Tanev, Copp are affordable with the dollars Winnipeg may need to spend on their 3 big RFA's. Trouba, Connor, and Laine are potentially going to cost the Jets $25 million! . . . Is Trouba gone? Are any of them expendable??
Just for kicks, what if Winnipeg and Carolina got together . . .
To Carolina:
- Patrick Laine
- 2020 3rd Round pick
- a conditional 3rd Rnd pick in 2021 (they ONLY receive this pick if Winnipeg receives Carolina's 1st Rounder—see below)
To Winnipeg:
- Andrei Svechnikov
- Brett Pesce (prefer Slavin if deal made pre-deadline--adjust draft picks accordingly)
- 2020 1st Round pick
- a conditional 2nd Round pick in 2021 (pick becomes a 1st Rounder if Laine scores 50 or wins the Rocket Richard trophy this year or next)
. . . Rationale:
- Carolina gets the best player in the deal, an elite goal scorer whom will probably thrive next to his fellow countrymen playmakers, Aho & Terevainen. This would have to be an exciting possibility for Carolina to consider!
- Winnipeg receives a goal scorer with elite potential whom is cost-controlled (ELC) for 2 years (save mention Svechnikov's connection to Dale Hawerchuk and the scouting reports of his tremendous work ethic). Couple that potential and cost savings with either Slavin--whom would solidify the Jets on left D for years--or Pesce, who is a solid and affordable, right shot D-man that can mitigate the potential loss(es) of Trouba and/or Myers this off-season. And getting one, potentially two 1st round picks, would sort of "soften" the loss of what could be 35-50 goals from Patrick Laine! (though probably not!!)
I know this is unthinkable and the Jets might be nuts to do this (and I'm sure I'll be labeled nuts for suggesting it!), but do they really want to pay Patrick Laine $10 million plus as it appears the market will dictate?? . . . Regardless of whom they do or do not add at the deadline??? Even if a trade for Stone included salary going Ottawa's way, could the Jets not use the money it will cost them to extend Laine to sign Stone instead, and perhaps preserve some of their current depth also?
You would think the Jets would acquire Stone only if confident he doesn't walk just like Stastny. The cost to trade for Stone, to me, should be determined on how they see their $$ being spent next year. Because no player added now guarantees a cup now.
Would enjoy some (friendly) feedback! - Quillanrocks
get a dog |
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Hunkulese
Calgary Flames |
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Location: QC Joined: 09.30.2006
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Point a game player? He's never scored more than 26 goals or 64 points in a season.
Best Defensive forward? Really? I have never heard Stone's name associated with the Selke award.
Stone is a good player who would help mostly every team. The question is he worth a young star in Ehlers (30 goal scorer) a 1st round pick, plus. I say not at that price - EugenesAxe
He's been a point a game player for the past two seasons. The Selke is biased, and probably rightfully so, towards centres. Stone isn't the best defensive forward, but he is the best defensive winger.
The Jets also aren't trading Ehlers. They'd be trading prospects. |
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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC Joined: 02.01.2012
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This would be awesome for the Jets but ONLY if somehow possible to extend Stone in the off-season. Not sure you can swing it unless Jets trade Kulikov, Perreault, and maybe even Little this summer, which will be a challenging feat. And it's doubtful Myers, Tanev, Copp are affordable with the dollars Winnipeg may need to spend on their 3 big RFA's. Trouba, Connor, and Laine are potentially going to cost the Jets $25 million! . . . Is Trouba gone? Are any of them expendable??
Just for kicks, what if Winnipeg and Carolina got together . . .
To Carolina:
- Patrick Laine
- 2020 3rd Round pick
- a conditional 3rd Rnd pick in 2021 (they ONLY receive this pick if Winnipeg receives Carolina's 1st Rounder—see below)
To Winnipeg:
- Andrei Svechnikov
- Brett Pesce (prefer Slavin if deal made pre-deadline--adjust draft picks accordingly)
- 2020 1st Round pick
- a conditional 2nd Round pick in 2021 (pick becomes a 1st Rounder if Laine scores 50 or wins the Rocket Richard trophy this year or next)
. . . Rationale:
- Carolina gets the best player in the deal, an elite goal scorer whom will probably thrive next to his fellow countrymen playmakers, Aho & Terevainen. This would have to be an exciting possibility for Carolina to consider!
- Winnipeg receives a goal scorer with elite potential whom is cost-controlled (ELC) for 2 years (save mention Svechnikov's connection to Dale Hawerchuk and the scouting reports of his tremendous work ethic). Couple that potential and cost savings with either Slavin--whom would solidify the Jets on left D for years--or Pesce, who is a solid and affordable, right shot D-man that can mitigate the potential loss(es) of Trouba and/or Myers this off-season. And getting one, potentially two 1st round picks, would sort of "soften" the loss of what could be 35-50 goals from Patrick Laine! (though probably not!!)
I know this is unthinkable and the Jets might be nuts to do this (and I'm sure I'll be labeled nuts for suggesting it!), but do they really want to pay Patrick Laine $10 million plus as it appears the market will dictate?? . . . Regardless of whom they do or do not add at the deadline??? Even if a trade for Stone included salary going Ottawa's way, could the Jets not use the money it will cost them to extend Laine to sign Stone instead, and perhaps preserve some of their current depth also?
You would think the Jets would acquire Stone only if confident he doesn't walk just like Stastny. The cost to trade for Stone, to me, should be determined on how they see their $$ being spent next year. Because no player added now guarantees a cup now.
Would enjoy some (friendly) feedback! - Quillanrocks
Feedback: Read more. Post less. |
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sparky1957
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Location: winnipeg, MB Joined: 11.03.2016
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To Winnipeg:
-Mark Stone
To Ottawa:
-Nic Petan
-Logan Stanley
-2019 1st
-2020 3rd (Upgraded to 2nd if they reach SCF, Upgraded to 1st if they win SC) - Cap437
Ain't going to happen. We don't need a winger and this is a huge overpayment. |
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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC Joined: 02.01.2012
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Ain't going to happen. We don't need a winger and this is a huge overpayment. - sparky1957
It isn't though. Stone is probably the best 2 way winger in the league and Petan is meh and Stanley is trash. |
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sparky1957
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Location: winnipeg, MB Joined: 11.03.2016
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To Winnipeg:
-Mark Stone
To Ottawa:
-Nic Petan
-Logan Stanley
-2019 1st
-2020 3rd (Upgraded to 2nd if they reach SCF, Upgraded to 1st if they win SC) - Cap437
Mark Stone rental for a roster player(petan) Logan Stanley (1 st rd pick a few years back) 2019 1st might be 2020 1st.
Break it down Stone, rental for a roster player and 3 first round picks? Are you on crack Rentals are usually a 1st and a prospect or roster 4th liner |
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sparky1957
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Location: winnipeg, MB Joined: 11.03.2016
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It isn't though. Stone is probably the best 2 way winger in the league and Petan is meh and Stanley is trash. - Feds91Stammer
Stanley is in his FIRST YEAR OF PRO hockey. He is only 20. I would not call him trash just yet. Will let you know in a few years |
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grim
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Ottawa, ON Joined: 09.23.2006
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So mastermind Pierre Dorion managed to extract Chris Tierney, Dylan DeMelo, Josh Norris and Rudolfs Balcers and 1st, 2nd for Karlsson - not a rental - and viewed by many (not me) as one of the league's elite... and Sens fans think the return on Stone will be in the range of what has been posted here? Not a chance.
1. Rental
2. Not as good as Karlsson
3. Dorion completely incapable
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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC Joined: 02.01.2012
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Stanley is in his FIRST YEAR OF PRO hockey. He is only 20. I would not call him trash just yet. Will let you know in a few years - sparky1957
He sucks. He is tall that is why he was overrated from day one. Terrible hockey player. |
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sparky1957
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Location: winnipeg, MB Joined: 11.03.2016
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So mastermind Pierre Dorion managed to extract Chris Tierney, Dylan DeMelo, Josh Norris and Rudolfs Balcers and 1st, 2nd for Karlsson - not a rental - and viewed by many (not me) as one of the league's elite... and Sens fans think the return on Stone will be in the range of what has been posted here? Not a chance.
1. Rental
2. Not as good as Karlsson
3. Dorion completely incapable - grim
1ST and a prospect at best IMHO |
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Why? You not smart enough to come up with one yourself? - obie
You still crusty, bro? Lmao Holy FRANK. Grow up. |
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sparky1957
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Location: winnipeg, MB Joined: 11.03.2016
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He sucks. He is tall that is why he was overrated from day one. Terrible hockey player. - Feds91Stammer
5goals and 5 assists -4 on a bad team. Jury's still out |
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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC Joined: 02.01.2012
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5goals and 5 assists -4 on a bad team. Jury's still out - sparky1957
When has he ever performed well compared to his peers? |
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Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA Joined: 06.26.2007
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When has he ever performed well compared to his peers? - Feds91Stammer
How's Zadina doing? |
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Stone for what
I'm thinking a 2019 1st or 2020 if they don't have one
A prospect that's NHL ready
And a roster player that's under 23 yrs old - kaptaan
speaking or morons ....... |
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eichiefs9
New York Islanders |
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Location: NY Joined: 11.03.2008
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How's Zadina doing? - Glak18
His Richard fell off at center ice |
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Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA Joined: 06.26.2007
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His Richard fell off at center ice - eichiefs9
Is that how the other Svechnikov got hurt? |
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He sucks. He is tall that is why he was overrated from day one. Terrible hockey player. - Feds91Stammer
Hey it's me from the future.
Turns out Stanley did suck. |
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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC Joined: 02.01.2012
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How's Zadina doing? - Glak18
Solid. Top full time AHLer in goals under age of 20. |
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