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Halfday77
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.09.2017

Feb 11 @ 1:53 PM ET
Stone would play on the 2nd line with Tkachuk & Backlund. Tkachuk is one of the better playmakers on the team and needs a guy to feed the puck to--Lindholm has pretty much cemented himself on that top line.


Brodie
Frolik
Dube
1st

Stone
Dzingel


Hands off our young D! Brodie would be a good veteran presence (Ontario boy) and at 28 he still has prime years left. Also, shouldn't be too hard to lock him up long term at a reasonable cap hit. Frolik gives Ottawa another capable vet who can chew up tough minutes---also shouldn't be too hard to lock him up long term.

- Saskabush


What a god awful trade
Halfday77
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.09.2017

Feb 11 @ 1:56 PM ET
What's the story with Nic Petan? He was really highly touted coming off of the World Jr, but haven't really heard anything about him recently.
- Jordo


Looks like a bust to me. Drafted 6 years ago, 108 NHL games 5 goals and 23 points. Pass.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Feb 11 @ 2:19 PM ET
Ya it's a bit confusing b/c Cap Friendly has projected cap and current cap, so I was basing it off of the projected one. Updated the blog at the top.
- Trevor Shackles

Cap is a daily accrual.
BodyCheckRadio
Joined: 10.19.2010

Feb 11 @ 2:56 PM ET
I think Nashville has some nice pieces.

I’d want a deal centered around Fabbro or Tolvanien. Add a pick and some depth pieces obviously but Poile has never been scared to make the big deal and even pay market value to get what he thinks he’s needs. He knows he’s a close to a cup as he will ever get.

Honestly, it’s too bad ottawa doesn’t have money where they could trade one of, or both, Stone/Duchene and sign them back in the summer. You’d have to pay more because they’d only be able to do a 7yr deal but I think both would stay here if the money was there. The grass isn’t always greener on the other side. They could easily sign with a team they feel is about to win only to have it blow up in their face.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Feb 11 @ 3:14 PM ET
Batherson named AHL players the week. News release says

"With 19 points in his last nine games, Batherson now leads all AHL rookies in scoring with 44 points (16 goals, 28 assists) in 37 contests for Belleville this season. A fourth-round pick by Ottawa in the 2017 NHL Draft, Batherson also has three goals and five assists in 17 NHL games with the parent Senators. The 20-year-old Batherson was named the MVP of the 2019 AHL All-Star Challenge last month after scoring five goals in the tournament for the North Division, and won a gold medal with Canada at the 2018 IIHF World Junior Championship."
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Feb 11 @ 3:28 PM ET
Just throwing out an idea for fun here (Lately it seems all doom and gloom so I figured why not have some fun)

Jakob Silfverberg - $3.75M, 28 years old plays wing becomes a UFA at the end of this year
Daniel Sprong - $750 entree level deal, 21 years old, plays Right Wing and is Signed until 2021 where he becomes an RFA
Michael Del Zotto - $2.25M, 28 years old and plays D becomes and UFA at the end of this year

Trade to Ottawa for....
Cody Ceci - $4.3M, 25 years old and plays D becomes an RFA at the end of this year
JGP - $3.1M, 26 years old and signed through 2021 where he becomes a UFA

We could also throw in a draft pick.

This does a few things for both teams.
Gets both teams a shake up on the back end, Gives the Ducks a bit of stability for JPG and gets Ceci a fresh start that he needs.

For Ottawa, it gives us a solid prospect in Sprong, Silf could be resigned and play very well with both Stone and Duchene and Del Zotto could turn out and be resigned, if not, we let him go and get his salary off the books.

This also gives Ottawa more incentive to resign Stone and Duchene and freedom to get out of a couple expiring contracts.

For the record, yes I know this would never happen... Just thought it would be fun.


spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Feb 11 @ 3:36 PM ET
Just throwing out an idea for fun here (Lately it seems all doom and gloom so I figured why not have some fun)

Jakob Silfverberg - $3.75M, 28 years old plays wing becomes a UFA at the end of this year
Daniel Sprong - $750 entree level deal, 21 years old, plays Right Wing and is Signed until 2021 where he becomes an RFA
Michael Del Zotto - $2.25M, 28 years old and plays D becomes and UFA at the end of this year

Trade to Ottawa for....
Cody Ceci - $4.3M, 25 years old and plays D becomes an RFA at the end of this year
JGP - $3.1M, 26 years old and signed through 2021 where he becomes a UFA

We could also throw in a draft pick.

This does a few things for both teams.
Gets both teams a shake up on the back end, Gives the Ducks a bit of stability for JPG and gets Ceci a fresh start that he needs.

For Ottawa, it gives us a solid prospect in Sprong, Silf could be resigned and play very well with both Stone and Duchene and Del Zotto could turn out and be resigned, if not, we let him go and get his salary off the books.

This also gives Ottawa more incentive to resign Stone and Duchene and freedom to get out of a couple expiring contracts.

For the record, yes I know this would never happen... Just thought it would be fun.

- Maverick1818


I like Silfverberg but I would not want the Sens to let Pageau go. He plays a really strong defensive game, has an outstanding work ethic and is a great presence in the locker room. Will be hard to find a vet that brings so much to the team. I hope they keep him. He can play head to head against other teams top line and that is going to be a very sore spot for Sens going forward.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Feb 11 @ 3:59 PM ET
Just throwing out an idea for fun here (Lately it seems all doom and gloom so I figured why not have some fun)

Jakob Silfverberg - $3.75M, 28 years old plays wing becomes a UFA at the end of this year
Daniel Sprong - $750 entree level deal, 21 years old, plays Right Wing and is Signed until 2021 where he becomes an RFA
Michael Del Zotto - $2.25M, 28 years old and plays D becomes and UFA at the end of this year

Trade to Ottawa for....
Cody Ceci - $4.3M, 25 years old and plays D becomes an RFA at the end of this year
JGP - $3.1M, 26 years old and signed through 2021 where he becomes a UFA

We could also throw in a draft pick.

This does a few things for both teams.
Gets both teams a shake up on the back end, Gives the Ducks a bit of stability for JPG and gets Ceci a fresh start that he needs.

For Ottawa, it gives us a solid prospect in Sprong, Silf could be resigned and play very well with both Stone and Duchene and Del Zotto could turn out and be resigned, if not, we let him go and get his salary off the books.

This also gives Ottawa more incentive to resign Stone and Duchene and freedom to get out of a couple expiring contracts.

For the record, yes I know this would never happen... Just thought it would be fun.

- Maverick1818

Makes zero sense for Anaheim but you get a gold star for trying.
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Feb 11 @ 4:11 PM ET
I like Silfverberg but I would not want the Sens to let Pageau go. He plays a really strong defensive game, has an outstanding work ethic and is a great presence in the locker room. Will be hard to find a vet that brings so much to the team. I hope they keep him. He can play head to head against other teams top line and that is going to be a very sore spot for Sens going forward.
- spatso

I'd hate to see JPG go as well and yes he still as great value, Where the issue is. We have prospects that are basically going to be ready next year. We need to make room up the middle, We are lacking D and wingers,

Del Zotto changes the look of our D
Sprong is a good prospect who can score
and Silf is a winger we could use with Duchene and Stone.


All while making room for the young guys coming up.

On the Ducks end, Ceci still has big potential, they aren't giving up a core D. They need some stability and retooling on the front end and JPG can do that for them.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Feb 11 @ 4:12 PM ET
I'd hate to see JPG go as well and yes he still as great value, Where the issue is. We have prospects that are basically going to be ready next year. We need to make room up the middle, We are lacking D and wingers,

Del Zotto changes the look of our D
Sprong is a good prospect who can score
and Silf is a winger we could use with Duchene and Stone.


All while making room for the young guys coming up.

On the Ducks end, Ceci still has big potential, they aren't giving up a core D. They need some stability and retooling on the front end and JPG can do that for them.

- Maverick1818

Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Feb 11 @ 4:14 PM ET

- Feds91Stammer

Laugh all you want, but his OHL days he was a very offensive D. He's big, can skate, can log lots of minutes and it's been reported multiple times that teams have been calling about him.

There is certainly potential there. It just simply hasn't worked out in Ottawa with him.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Feb 11 @ 4:17 PM ET
Laugh all you want, but his OHL days he was a very offensive D. He's big, can skate, can log lots of minutes and it's been reported multiple times that teams have been calling about him.

There is certainly potential there. It just simply hasn't worked out in Ottawa with him.

- Maverick1818

I think his D play is pretty offensive.
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Feb 11 @ 4:20 PM ET
I think his D play is pretty offensive.
- Feds91Stammer

Not even close to how he used to play in the minors. As soon as he got to the Sens, He was posted as a shut down D. It's kind of what they do.

It's funny, they did the same thing with Boro. Ask anyone who used to see him play, he was actually quite a gifted forward and now he's a full on shut down D

Other than Karlsson and Chabot, Ottawa doesn't seem to like having offensive D use their natural skill.
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Feb 11 @ 4:25 PM ET
I think his D play is pretty offensive.
- Feds91Stammer


Weirdly enough, theres reports that teams appear interested in him though.

Perhaps they think he could be better as a bottom pairing guy not playing so much a night.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Feb 11 @ 4:32 PM ET
Not even close to how he used to play in the minors. As soon as he got to the Sens, He was posted as a shut down D. It's kind of what they do.

It's funny, they did the same thing with Boro. Ask anyone who used to see him play, he was actually quite a gifted forward and now he's a full on shut down D

Other than Karlsson and Chabot, Ottawa doesn't seem to like having offensive D use their natural skill.

- Maverick1818

Buddy you cited his production in the O. You know who else had production in the O? Everybody. See Ryan Sproul for an example. Ceci is not good.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Feb 11 @ 4:33 PM ET
Weirdly enough, theres reports that teams appear interested in him though.

Perhaps they think he could be better as a bottom pairing guy not playing so much a night.

- david22

Well GMs are dumb and he is a former first round pick. I mean Jack Johnson got a contract this summer.
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Feb 11 @ 5:15 PM ET
Buddy you cited his production in the O. You know who else had production in the O? Everybody. See Ryan Sproul for an example. Ceci is not good.
- Feds91Stammer

I didn't say his production. His style of play in the OHL was much more offensive, He carried the puck and drove the play much more.... Like Chabot does now.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Feb 11 @ 5:19 PM ET
I didn't say his production. His style of play in the OHL was much more offensive, He carried the puck and drove the play much more.... Like Chabot does now.
- Maverick1818

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FLAM3SFAN
Calgary Flames
Location: ON
Joined: 03.13.2013

Feb 11 @ 7:18 PM ET
stone would be the flames 2nd line RW, no chance Lindholm comes off the top line
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 11 @ 7:25 PM ET
stone would be the flames 2nd line RW, no chance Lindholm comes off the top line
- FLAM3SFAN


You can leave Lind hold on the 1st not to disrupt chemistry, but stone would still be the best RW on the team.

Matthews plays on line 2 in Toronto.....still their best player.
Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Feb 11 @ 7:57 PM ET
AWFUL TRADE
- KINGS67


Better than the return you guys got for Karlsson

If i'm BT I probably wouldn't budge from this offer too much. If I really want Stone I'd take a run at him in UFA. Ottawa is not dealing from a position of strength, be prepared for a let down at the TDL.

Also, don't forget what your owner is promising. He wants/needs to be competetive right away & Ottawa still wants to win as many games as possible this season. Brodie & Frolik will help them do that--Dube is an exciting prospect who will help placate the fanbase + they get a 1st out of the deal.


Also also, I could care less if Dzingel is even included in the deal--that was more for salary purposes. Honestly, I think we have better options in the AHL so I wouldn't offer much for him at all.
Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Feb 11 @ 8:00 PM ET
You can leave Lind hold on the 1st not to disrupt chemistry, but stone would still be the best RW on the team.

Matthews plays on line 2 in Toronto.....still their best player.

- sensarmy_11



Last I checked Lindholm was ahead of Stone in the scoring race . You can make a convincing case for either one of those players to be better than the other--too close to say forsure IMO.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Feb 11 @ 8:22 PM ET
I believe these trades are fair:

To Winnipeg

Matt Duchene

To Ottawa

Nic Petan
Kristian Vesalainen
2019 1st
2020 3rd*

*becomes 2nd if Duchene resigns; + 1st if Jets win cup in either 2019 or 2020*

To Nashville

Mark Stone (25% salary retained)

To Ottawa

Calle Jarnkrok
Eeli Tolvanen
2019 1st
2020 3rd*

*becomes 2nd + 4th if Stone resigns*
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Feb 11 @ 8:45 PM ET
What about Dzingel to the caps?

To Washington: Ryan Dzingel

To Ottawa: 1st in 2019, 3rd in 2019
Hunkulese
Calgary Flames
Location: QC
Joined: 09.30.2006

Feb 11 @ 10:40 PM ET
Better than the return you guys got for Karlsson

If i'm BT I probably wouldn't budge from this offer too much. If I really want Stone I'd take a run at him in UFA. Ottawa is not dealing from a position of strength, be prepared for a let down at the TDL.

Also, don't forget what your owner is promising. He wants/needs to be competetive right away & Ottawa still wants to win as many games as possible this season. Brodie & Frolik will help them do that--Dube is an exciting prospect who will help placate the fanbase + they get a 1st out of the deal.


Also also, I could care less if Dzingel is even included in the deal--that was more for salary purposes. Honestly, I think we have better options in the AHL so I wouldn't offer much for him at all.

- Saskabush


You're embarrassing yourself.
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