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Peter Tessier
Joined: 10.11.2011

Mar 25 @ 11:41 AM ET
Peter Tessier: Shooting Stars Jets host Stars for final game between the teams this season
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Mar 25 @ 12:32 PM ET
Beyond all the analytics of tonight's matchup, I would expect it to be a very close game. The Jets essentially probably only need 3 wins out of seven to lock up first because I assume Nashville will lose at least one game and we win if tied in the standings. Jets might even squeak in on two wins....but lets not go there.

I've also noticed that since we got Hayes, that Scheif and Wheels ice time has dropped below 20 minutes for almost every game. Jets have won 6/7 . Rolling the lines more has been working. Jets now just need to stay healthy.
Peter Tessier
Joined: 10.11.2011

Mar 25 @ 12:58 PM ET
Beyond all the analytics of tonight's matchup, I would expect it to be a very close game. The Jets essentially probably only need 3 wins out of seven to lock up first because I assume Nashville will lose at least one game and we win if tied in the standings. Jets might even squeak in on two wins....but lets not go there.

I've also noticed that since we got Hayes, that Scheif and Wheels ice time has dropped below 20 minutes for almost every game. Jets have won 6/7 . Rolling the lines more has been working. Jets now just need to stay healthy.

- jetsnation


The rolling the lines issue has really not been talked about enough.

I was going to go a bit deeper on that in blog but I'm on vacation. I'm still really bothered that Maurice cannot ice a line that allows him to put TLC back together.

That would help huge in some ways and let Perreault, Little and whoever be another scoring line and just run them.

Ehlers, Scheifele, Wheeler
Connor, Hayes, Laine
Perreault, Little Roslovic/Hendricks
Copp, Lowry, Tanev

In a better world swap Wheeler and Laine maybe?

Getting Buff and Jmo back is going to be huge.
lastmanback
St Louis Blues
Location: Catawissa, MO
Joined: 03.07.2008

Mar 25 @ 1:12 PM ET
Why would the Jets look past this game, to of all teams, an Eastern Conference opponent? If the playoffs started right now, you are playing Dallas.
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Mar 25 @ 1:33 PM ET
Why would the Jets look past this game, to of all teams, an Eastern Conference opponent? If the playoffs started right now, you are playing Dallas.
- lastmanback


bingo.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Mar 25 @ 1:54 PM ET
am I wrong? I remember the last 4-5 games the TLC lined played together were not good? like they lost that lovin feeling? anyone have or can find the analytics to debate this?
islansjet
Joined: 03.13.2017

Mar 25 @ 2:05 PM ET
Roslovic is a much better option on the 4th line than Hendricks. Just because Hendrick is good in the room doesn't mean he is a superior player on the ice. Once again Maurice is hurting the development of the organizations draft and develop young talent by playing his favorites like Hendricks, that are old, slow and less talented than players like Roslovic.
Finnisher29
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 05.17.2017

Mar 25 @ 2:20 PM ET
Totally agree with the sentiment of not looking past the Stars with them being a likely 1st round opponent..plus they've whupped us pretty.good twice this season. I expect we'll come out looking to return the favour tonight
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Mar 25 @ 2:24 PM ET
Roslovic is a much better option on the 4th line than Hendricks. Just because Hendrick is good in the room doesn't mean he is a superior player on the ice. Once again Maurice is hurting the development of the organizations draft and develop young talent by playing his favorites like Hendricks, that are old, slow and less talented than players like Roslovic.
- islansjet


It doesn't hurt his development because the room is a better place. Development is so much more than just playing.

Sheifle, Ehlers, Connor, Morrisey, Trouba, Lowry, Tanev, Copp, Lemieux, Armia all did most of their development under Maurice. Vets including Wheeler, Buff have played their best hockey after Maurice became coach.

The Maurice player development rant gets a little stale. The rant usually connects someone's fan favourite with it such as Petan and now it seems to have moved to Roslovic. Player development falls more on the players themselves than on the coach. Yawn, move on already.
BWJumper
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Mar 25 @ 2:39 PM ET
Ross77 what areas is trouba not better than myers? power play? ok, i'll give you that one and that's it. Trouba has more total points and significantly more points 5v5. trouba has better analytics across the board and if you want myers on the ice in the last minute of a game over trouba I'm not sure how we can move on?

I've said it before that Trouba is better than Myers but the difference is a lot smaller than you believe
Look at the stats through 75 games:

5v5 Points Myers 18 Trouba 19
Primary Points 13 9
CF% 49.02% 49.56%
SF% 48.54% 48.95%
Goals Against 51 60
GF% 49.5% 50%
SCF% 48.61% 49.13%
HDCF% 49.77% 47.12%

So Trouba is 1 point better than Myers 5v5 and in general .5% better in analytics and you call that significant.
Not to mention Trouba has been on the ice for 9 more goals on the year and the high danger chances favour Myers.

Edit: I made it into 2 clear columns but for some reason it doesn't post that way, if you want to see the numbers i used it's from naturalstattrick
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Mar 25 @ 2:47 PM ET
Ross77 what areas is trouba not better than myers? power play? ok, i'll give you that one and that's it. Trouba has more total points and significantly more points 5v5. trouba has better analytics across the board and if you want myers on the ice in the last minute of a game over trouba I'm not sure how we can move on?

I've said it before that Trouba is better than Myers but the difference is a lot smaller than you believe
Look at the stats through 75 games:

5v5 Points Myers 18 Trouba 19
Primary Points 13 9
CF% 49.02% 49.56%
SF% 48.54% 48.95%
Goals Against 51 60
GF% 49.5% 50%
SCF% 48.61% 49.13%
HDCF% 49.77% 47.12%

So Trouba is 1 point better than Myers 5v5 and in general .5% better in analytics and you call that significant.
Not to mention Trouba has been on the ice for 9 more goals on the year and the high danger chances favour Myers.

Edit: I made it into 2 clear columns but for some reason it doesn't post that way, if you want to see the numbers i used it's from naturalstattrick

- BWJumper


Very well done BW. You could also point to the fact that Trouba was paired with Morrissey most of the year while Myers seemed to get whichever depth Dman that wasn't injured ( Chiarot, Morrow, Kulikov, etc). Myers also had to play the left side 25% of most games. Myers is better on the PK and PP. How many dozens of plays have we seen Myers make where he makes goal-saving reaches with his long stick to poke a puck away or deflections with his reach. Who is better at holding the puck in at the blue line....Myers by a mile.

At the end of the day Myers at $5.5 Mm to $6 MM is a much better choice than Trouba at $7-8 MM. Its not even close if it comes to a cap choice.
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Mar 25 @ 3:56 PM ET
Very well done BW. You could also point to the fact that Trouba was paired with Morrissey most of the year while Myers seemed to get whichever depth Dman that wasn't injured ( Chiarot, Morrow, Kulikov, etc). Myers also had to play the left side 25% of most games. Myers is better on the PK and PP. How many dozens of plays have we seen Myers make where he makes goal-saving reaches with his long stick to poke a puck away or deflections with his reach. Who is better at holding the puck in at the blue line....Myers by a mile.

At the end of the day Myers at $5.5 Mm to $6 MM is a much better choice than Trouba at $7-8 MM. Its not even close if it comes to a cap choice.

- jetsnation


I would add that Myers dealt with nagging hip, knee issues and related surgery that hit during some key developmental years (22-25) and it is very likely that if he stays healthy he has not played his best hockey yet.

EDIT: *- could say the same potential is there for Kulikov.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Mar 25 @ 5:01 PM ET
Ross77 what areas is trouba not better than myers? power play? ok, i'll give you that one and that's it. Trouba has more total points and significantly more points 5v5. trouba has better analytics across the board and if you want myers on the ice in the last minute of a game over trouba I'm not sure how we can move on?

I've said it before that Trouba is better than Myers but the difference is a lot smaller than you believe
Look at the stats through 75 games:

5v5 Points Myers 18 Trouba 19
Primary Points 13 9
CF% 49.02% 49.56%
SF% 48.54% 48.95%
Goals Against 51 60
GF% 49.5% 50%
SCF% 48.61% 49.13%
HDCF% 49.77% 47.12%

So Trouba is 1 point better than Myers 5v5 and in general .5% better in analytics and you call that significant.
Not to mention Trouba has been on the ice for 9 more goals on the year and the high danger chances favour Myers.

Edit: I made it into 2 clear columns but for some reason it doesn't post that way, if you want to see the numbers i used it's from naturalstattrick

- BWJumper

here we go,

Trouba has played against tougher competition in 80% of the games this year than Myers who has been babied playing against the other teams 3rd or 4th lines 80% of time.

Myers also starts more shifts in the O zone than D zone than Trouba, what does that tell you?

Jetsnation, common, Myers played 3 games on his off side and it was so bad he had to moved back, where you came up with your percentage is beyond me.

Trouba is counted on for almost 3 min more per game - that alone is significant

even just using your categories ( if Skatr was still up I could show you more and heavily Sku this in trouba's favor even more) Trouba still leads Myers in 5/8 categories.

No D other than Myers has been on the ice for more Short handed goals and more goals in the last few minutes of a game.

I agree both are probably going to ask for money than they are worth but id rather over pay the better player than worse one any day.


Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Mar 25 @ 5:02 PM ET
I would add that Myers dealt with nagging hip, knee issues and related surgery that hit during some key developmental years (22-25) and it is very likely that if he stays healthy he has not played his best hockey yet.

EDIT: *- could say the same potential is there for Kulikov.

- 2.0


yup and I'm sure Trouba doesn't have a scratch on him or no nagging injuries logging more ice time than any other Jet.....
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Mar 25 @ 5:11 PM ET
Very well done BW. You could also point to the fact that Trouba was paired with Morrissey most of the year while Myers seemed to get whichever depth Dman that wasn't injured ( Chiarot, Morrow, Kulikov, etc). Myers also had to play the left side 25% of most games. Myers is better on the PK and PP. How many dozens of plays have we seen Myers make where he makes goal-saving reaches with his long stick to poke a puck away or deflections with his reach. Who is better at holding the puck in at the blue line....Myers by a mile.

At the end of the day Myers at $5.5 Mm to $6 MM is a much better choice than Trouba at $7-8 MM. Its not even close if it comes to a cap choice.

- jetsnation


myers has not been better on either PP or PK this year. myers has been on for more short handed goals than any other D

myers has had many partners cause of poor play, cant play with chariot, cant play with morrow. both were epically bad!! why do you think Trouba got Morrow this last time, it was because how bad myers and morrow were.

we see myers make those poke checks and use his reach out necessity cause he is out of position and getting beat and without he'd be playing at the Highlander

myers value is 3-4 million for at most 2 years, as his analytics and stats show he is bottom pair D, if you pay him 5.5-6 to be in your top 4, good luck. all that means is this team just took a giant step backwards.

does anyone ever read Buffalo fans saying they miss him? never!!!!! this is a team that hasn't sniffed the playoffs in how long but unanimously all agree they are better without Myers.

I seriously hope if we sign him and it backfires you will all admit you were wrong and not point the finger in other directions or make excuses for him.

Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Mar 25 @ 5:17 PM ET
Roslovic is a much better option on the 4th line than Hendricks. Just because Hendrick is good in the room doesn't mean he is a superior player on the ice. Once again Maurice is hurting the development of the organizations draft and develop young talent by playing his favorites like Hendricks, that are old, slow and less talented than players like Roslovic.
- islansjet


Hendricks in over Roslovic has absolutely nothing to do with on ice play! For the record I'm against it!!
to me this move more highlights the fact this team needs a Reg Dunlop type player coach in the line up to make up for significant shortcomings from our own coaching staff!!
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Mar 25 @ 5:19 PM ET
yup and I'm sure Trouba doesn't have a scratch on him or no nagging injuries logging more ice time than any other Jet.....
- Ross77



??! Myers injuries required surgery to repair after trying to play through each of them. It's a little like Teemu in Colorado before his knee surgery and the missed lockout season he used to recover. His career looked over due to knee issues he was working through. Whatever Trouba has worked through (and I'm sure he has) we have no reason to think it was as significant as the knee and subsequent hip issues that hobbled Myers for 3 years.
CharlieDog
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Mar 25 @ 6:16 PM ET
It doesn't hurt his development because the room is a better place. Development is so much more than just playing.

Sheifle, Ehlers, Connor, Morrisey, Trouba, Lowry, Tanev, Copp, Lemieux, Armia all did most of their development under Maurice. Vets including Wheeler, Buff have played their best hockey after Maurice became coach.

The Maurice player development rant gets a little stale. The rant usually connects someone's fan favourite with it such as Petan and now it seems to have moved to Roslovic. Player development falls more on the players themselves than on the coach. Yawn, move on already. 2.0


All that and I think he will play Hendy in some of these pre playoff style western confrrence heavy games for the grind.
CharlieDog
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Mar 25 @ 6:22 PM ET
We will see what happens on game 2 of the existance of the second line of Hayes and two goal scorers. Can't wait.
Peter Tessier
Joined: 10.11.2011

Mar 25 @ 6:35 PM ET
Why would the Jets look past this game, to of all teams, an Eastern Conference opponent? If the playoffs started right now, you are playing Dallas.
- lastmanback


Because that's what they have done. They look at bigger fish than the ones ahead of them.
liverpoolnhl
Joined: 02.06.2018

Mar 25 @ 7:31 PM ET
myers has not been better on either PP or PK this year. myers has been on for more short handed goals than any other D

myers has had many partners cause of poor play, cant play with chariot, cant play with morrow. both were epically bad!! why do you think Trouba got Morrow this last time, it was because how bad myers and morrow were.

we see myers make those poke checks and use his reach out necessity cause he is out of position and getting beat and without he'd be playing at the Highlander

myers value is 3-4 million for at most 2 years, as his analytics and stats show he is bottom pair D, if you pay him 5.5-6 to be in your top 4, good luck. all that means is this team just took a giant step backwards.

does anyone ever read Buffalo fans saying they miss him? never!!!!! this is a team that hasn't sniffed the playoffs in how long but unanimously all agree they are better without Myers.


Ross77

That was my reaction also, but it still seems to me that there is a good Myers and a not so good Myers. The good Myers shows up when he's aggressive and decisive. Does anyone else see this? That said I'm definitely in the camp that believes anything over Kulikov money for TM would not be proper cap mgmt for this team.....
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Mar 25 @ 7:39 PM ET


Jetsnation, common, Myers played 3 games on his off side and it was so bad he had to moved back, where you came up with your percentage is beyond me.


- Ross77


I am talking about most games. Maurice often moves Myers to the left side with Buff or even Trouba to give him more ice time. How do you think Myers manages to play 20-24 minutes a game most nights. Maurice is not playing Kulikov or Chiarot nearly those minutes....its Myers filling in on the left side about every fourth to fifth shift... plus some special teams time. He hasn't done it as much with Trouba as he does with Buff , but that has been Maurice's solution to not giving Chiarot or Morrow more than 15 minutes a game.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Mar 25 @ 7:46 PM ET
I am talking about most games. Maurice often moves Myers to the left side with Buff or even Trouba to give him more ice time. How do you think Myers manages to play 20-24 minutes a game most nights. Maurice is not playing Kulikov or Chiarot nearly those minutes....its Myers filling in on the left side about every fourth to fifth shift... plus some special teams time. He hasn't done it as much with Trouba as he does with Buff , but that has been Maurice's solution to not giving Chiarot or Morrow more than 15 minutes a game.
- jetsnation

You are right, I didn’t account for the extra shifts where he plays left side sometimes at the end of the game and only focussed on those few games at the beginning of the year. Not sure it would still equal 25% but still, My bad.
BWJumper
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Mar 25 @ 9:10 PM ET
Ross I've said it numerous times Trouba is better than Myers. My point of contention is that the difference is not that much. Especially this year.

Take your point on on d zone faceoffs yes Trouba takes more overall and as a % but what does that mean in raw numbers - it's about 3 a game in all situations that's 1 more a period.

The same is for most of the analytics. We are talking less than 1 a game.

The last thing i will point out is that Myers has missed 2 games in 2 years playing 20 minutes a game, that is a third of the ice time. In both those years the Jets have made the playoffs. And that's with Trouba missing 27 last year and Byfuglien missing 23 last year and 40 this year
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Mar 25 @ 9:31 PM ET
Ross I've said it numerous times Trouba is better than Myers. My point of contention is that the difference is not that much. Especially this year.

Take your point on on d zone faceoffs yes Trouba takes more overall and as a % but what does that mean in raw numbers - it's about 3 a game in all situations that's 1 more a period.

The same is for most of the analytics. We are talking less than 1 a game.

The last thing i will point out is that Myers has missed 2 games in 2 years playing 20 minutes a game, that is a third of the ice time. In both those years the Jets have made the playoffs. And that's with Trouba missing 27 last year and Byfuglien missing 23 last year and 40 this year

- BWJumper

It’s all good, we just disagree. I understand completely what you are trying to say. I just honestly feel the gap is much greater. Watch Myers closely. Watch every decision he makes, he is not a smart hockey player. His decisions more often than not lead to a change of possession. He often makes the wrong play with the puck, ie. makes the wrong pass, or doesn’t pass when he should.
I hope we can all agree Hendricks looks lost and completely out of place every time on the ice. It’s kind of sad. Just make him a coach already.
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