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Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Apr 8 @ 8:46 PM ET
Anyone? let Trotz or Lambert run the PP. Can't be any worse then what it is. Hell give Mitch Korn a crack at it.

- nyisles7


Can I give it a go? You guys don’t even have to pay me.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Apr 8 @ 10:16 PM ET
Can I give it a go? You guys don’t even have to pay me.
- Wildschwein


Done I mean they gave Gomez a shot
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 8 @ 10:50 PM ET
Anyone? let Trotz or Lambert run the PP. Can't be any worse then what it is. Hell give Mitch Korn a crack at it.

- nyisles7

He should’ve been fired just for the sake of firing him months ago. I don’t see how it would have any more of a negative impact on our power play? What exactly would there be to lose?
PeteM
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 07.10.2007

Apr 9 @ 7:46 AM ET
He should’ve been fired just for the sake of firing him months ago. I don’t see how it would have any more of a negative impact on our power play? What exactly would there be to lose?
- Cptmjl


Even Doug Weight's sh!tty power play was better than this. And he's still on the payroll.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 9 @ 8:36 AM ET
Even Doug Weight's sh!tty power play was better than this. And he's still on the payroll.
- PeteM

If anything is going to cause this teams early exit from the playoffs it’ll most likely by the power play.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Apr 9 @ 9:17 AM ET
Even Doug Weight's sh!tty power play was better than this. And he's still on the payroll.
- PeteM

Not that I'm particularly inclined to defend Dipshit Doug but the PP last year was 6th in the NHL

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...Played,gte,1&sort=ppPctg&
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Apr 9 @ 9:52 AM ET
Well, not surprisingly the analytics crowd has the Isles out before the series even starts: https://theathletic.com/9...ew-islanders-vs-penguins/

By most objective measures, taking fandom out of it, I think most people would pick the Pens to win this series. Even just on the surface, they have bigger names and a lot more experience (and successful experience) in the playoffs.

But all season I think it's been obvious who's been writing articles based only on staring at stats and who's been writing articles based on stats and actually watching games. The analytics-only crowd would have you believe Lehner and Greiss magically became two of the best goalies in the league overnight, completely independent of anything the Isles have done, and it's just been luck. Anyone watching the games can see glaringly obvious differences in how this team plays defensively compared to last year.
niteislander
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.13.2010

Apr 9 @ 10:07 AM ET
Well, not surprisingly the analytics crowd has the Isles out before the series even starts: https://theathletic.com/9...ew-islanders-vs-penguins/

By most objective measures, taking fandom out of it, I think most people would pick the Pens to win this series. Even just on the surface, they have bigger names and a lot more experience (and successful experience) in the playoffs.

But all season I think it's been obvious who's been writing articles based only on staring at stats and who's been writing articles based on stats and actually watching games. The analytics-only crowd would have you believe Lehner and Greiss magically became two of the best goalies in the league overnight, completely independent of anything the Isles have done, and it's just been luck. Anyone watching the games can see glaringly obvious differences in how this team plays defensively compared to last year.

- UIF


I 100% agree with you but the special teams are a concern. I was praying we would not face the pens in first round mainly b/c of their PP and of course our Powerless play. If we can stay out of the box I think we can win this series. The more 5 on 5 the better.
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Apr 9 @ 10:22 AM ET
Not that I'm particularly inclined to defend Dipshit Doug but the PP last year was 6th in the NHL

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...Played,gte,1&sort=ppPctg&

- eichiefs9

Dippoop Doug had a legit sniper on last year's power play. PB, despite his defensive flaws, was a weapon on the pp that this year's team lacks. So it's kind of an apples and oranges comparison.

By the way, wasn't Gomez in charge of the pp last season, too? [Not a rhetorical question, I really don't remember.... ]
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Apr 9 @ 10:23 AM ET
I 100% agree with you but the special teams are a concern. I was praying we would not face the pens in first round mainly b/c of their PP and of course our Powerless play. If we can stay out of the box I think we can win this series. The more 5 on 5 the better.
- niteislander


Oh yeah, the Pens power play is terrifying and, really, they should be favored to win the series based on who's on that team and what they've done recently.

I guess my point is more about the analytics articles all season long...some of them from people who just lazily glance at the stats and push out smart-sounding content. I'm not saying "stats r garbage," just that something's obviously missing in the data points used. Looking at the near-identical performances of Lehner and Greiss shouldn't lead to the conclusion of, "Wow, both goalies miraculously became god-like at the same time for the same team...those lucky Isles!" It should instead be, "What are the Isles doing that the stats aren't showing where they can put either goalie in net and have the same results?"
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Apr 9 @ 10:28 AM ET
Dippoop Doug had a legit sniper on last year's power play. PB, despite his defensive flaws, was a weapon on the pp that this year's team lacks. So it's kind of an apples and oranges comparison.

By the way, wasn't Gomez in charge of the pp last season, too?

- JohnScammo[Not a rhetorical question, I really don't remember.... ]

I wasn't comparing the two, just saying that the PP wasn't bad last year.

I have no idea about who ran what under the Asswad Regime
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 9 @ 10:32 AM ET
I wasn't comparing the two, just saying that the PP wasn't bad last year.

I have no idea about who ran what under the Asswad Regime

- eichiefs9

Gomez was the supposed pp coach.
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Apr 9 @ 10:32 AM ET
I wasn't comparing the two, just saying that the PP wasn't bad last year.

I have no idea about who ran what under the Asswad Regime

- eichiefs9

Well, if we're talking about this year's pathetic pp, and someone brings up last year's pp, isn't a comparison implied? By the way, my comment wasn't aimed just at you. Others have been comparing the two pps prior to your post.
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Apr 9 @ 10:36 AM ET
Gomez was the supposed pp coach.
- Cptmjl

That was my recollection. So maybe it's not just Gomez??? As I have previously posted, I read somewhere that Trotz himself is hands-on when it comes to the PP. In other words, he is working closely with Gomez in the PP's design. And as Vukota recently posted, it's doubtful that Gomez is instructing the PP to just pass the puck around. It's the players who have to execute and, for whatever reason, they're not doing so.

Having said all that, I'm all for firing Gomez anyway, just because he's a Snow/Weight holdover.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 9 @ 10:42 AM ET
That was my recollection. So maybe it's not just Gomez??? As I have previously posted, I read somewhere that Trotz himself is hands-on when it comes to the PP. In other words, he is working closely with Gomez in the PP's design. And as Vukota recently posted, it's doubtful that Gomez is instructing the PP to just pass the puck around. It's the players who have to execute and, for whatever reason, they're not doing so.

Having said all that, I'm all for firing Gomez anyway, just because he's a Snow/Weight holdover.

- JohnScammo

Well Gomez continuously throws Clutterbuck out there and there weren’t any changes to the pp in months when there was an obvious issue. I get it there’s not many players to chose from but it’s not working change it. Also yeah like vukota said the players aren’t executing but maybe they’re not being played to their strengths either. Irregardless he’s the pp coach. The pp sucks. The answer is to keep the coach? Not usually how this is done...
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Apr 9 @ 10:45 AM ET
Well Gomez continuously throws Clutterbuck out there and there weren’t any changes to the pp in months when there was an obvious issue. I get it there’s not many players to chose from but it’s not working change it. Also yeah like vukota said the players aren’t executing but maybe they’re not being played to their strengths either. Irregardless he’s the pp coach. The pp sucks. The answer is to keep the coach? Not usually how this is done...
- Cptmjl

Right, I am hopeful Gomez will be replaced in the off season. But without better player personnel, I'm not expecting miracles from the pp next season either.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Apr 9 @ 10:47 AM ET
Well, if we're talking about this year's pathetic pp, and someone brings up last year's pp, isn't a comparison implied? By the way, my comment wasn't aimed just at you. Others have been comparing the two pps prior to your post.
- JohnScammo

I mean the comment I was replying to was about "Doug Weight's shitty PP". All I was saying was that it was the 6th best PP in the league last year so it wasn't really that shitty.
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Apr 9 @ 10:47 AM ET
I 100% agree with you but the special teams are a concern. I was praying we would not face the pens in first round mainly b/c of their PP and of course our Powerless play. If we can stay out of the box I think we can win this series. The more 5 on 5 the better.
- niteislander


Pretty much agree. Think if the Isles PP was even somewhat functional I would pick you guys.

Pitts PP is crazy what they can ice out there.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Apr 9 @ 10:49 AM ET
Gillies had some nice words about pajama boy

JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Apr 9 @ 10:51 AM ET
I mean the comment I was replying to was about "Doug Weight's shitty PP". All I was saying was that it was the 6th best PP in the league last year so it wasn't really that shitty.
- eichiefs9

OK, in that case, I am redirecting my comments to others only.
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Apr 9 @ 10:55 AM ET
Gillies had some nice words about pajama boy


- eichiefs9

Love it.

But Clark, not to nitpick, but you know the trade deadline is in late February, not April....
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Apr 9 @ 10:57 AM ET
Gillies had some nice words about pajama boy


- eichiefs9


Well technically it didn't set you guys back. Addition by subtraction. Only thing it screwed you guys out of was a couple picks.

I like how he said "or a 2nd" don't know if that was a dig at JT or Gilles is a little loopy
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 9 @ 10:57 AM ET
Right, I am hopeful Gomez will be replaced in the off season. But without better player personnel, I'm not expecting miracles from the pp next season either.
- JohnScammo

Could be right but it isn’t working now. That we know.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Apr 9 @ 11:09 AM ET
Love it.

But Clark, not to nitpick, but you know the trade deadline is in late February, not April....

- JohnScammo

Gotta cut him some slack, he's been hit in the head a few times
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Apr 9 @ 11:10 AM ET
Well technically it didn't set you guys back. Addition by subtraction. Only thing it screwed you guys out of was a couple picks.

I like how he said "or a 2nd" don't know if that was a dig at JT or Gilles is a little loopy

- mdw7413

Probably the latter but I will blindly assume it was the former because I'm petty
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