PhillySportsGuy
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Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ Joined: 04.08.2012
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I think people forget how young he is. Regardless of how good the return for Schenn was Hextall really kicked the can down the road by throwing a 19 year old out there with Flippula as his backup.
I still think it's too early to be selling Patrick. He's going to be a solid 2C down the road, I don't care where he was drafted. - hereticpride
You can't just disregard his poor play as him being young. Konecny is young too.
I'd say his ceiling is that of a solid 2C. |
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77rams
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Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed... Joined: 09.12.2006
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I think people forget how young he is. Regardless of how good the return for Schenn was Hextall really kicked the can down the road by throwing a 19 year old out there with Flippula as his backup.
I still think it's too early to be selling Patrick. He's going to be a solid 2C down the road, I don't care where he was drafted. - hereticpride
To even remotely consider moving Nolan at this time is ridiculous. |
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Sinisalo4vr
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Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA Joined: 06.24.2016
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I think people forget how young he is. Regardless of how good the return for Schenn was Hextall really kicked the can down the road by throwing a 19 year old out there with Flippula as his backup. To be saying he's the reason they have suspect center depth is absurd. Hextall didn't go out and get a 3C this past off-season plain and simple.
I still think it's too early to be selling Patrick. He's going to be a solid 2C down the road, I don't care where he was drafted. - hereticpride
True that. His usage throughout his 2 year career hasn’t been consistent. The only issue that would give you pause is his injury history. |
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PhillySportsGuy
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Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ Joined: 04.08.2012
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True that. His usage throughout his 2 year career hasn’t been consistent. The only issue that would give you pause is his injury history. - Sinisalo4vr
He's gotten the opportunity to play with two of the league's best wingers and has struggled to produce. They even gave him a chance to play on the top PP unit for a little while. Not sure what else they could have done to help him. |
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hereticpride
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Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ Joined: 01.14.2011
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He's gotten the opportunity to play with two of the league's best wingers and has struggled to produce. They even gave him a chance to play on the top PP unit for a little while. Not sure what else they could have done to help him. - PhillySportsGuy
It takes more time for some players. If this is how he's playing at 25 then I'm open to criticizing him a lot more. |
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MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Be nice from now on, NJ Joined: 03.17.2006
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It takes more time for some players. If this is how he's playing at 25 then I'm open to criticizing him a lot more. - hereticpride
Patrick is going to be fine. His career path is going to be similar to Couturier. Its going to take him a few years to get up to full potential and that is fine. He had dealt with injuries and a LOT of uncertainty is his short career. A coaching change this this year. And missed having Filppula around (I don't want to hear it).
He is very young and will be better. He needs confidence and a coach who knows how to use him, now and as he gets better.
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bird_dog_pa
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Location: PA Joined: 07.05.2011
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The patience this city has with players is insanity.
It’s surprising any young flyer player is any good here. Oh they suck so trade them now and watch them be successful elsewhere. |
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Just5
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: PA Joined: 05.22.2008
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Was thinking of packaging him with other players/picks for a young stud C - PhillySportsGuy
He’s going to be a solid 2C in this league. Reminds me of Schenn when he started out. His two way game is better though |
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Just5
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: PA Joined: 05.22.2008
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He's gotten the opportunity to play with two of the league's best wingers and has struggled to produce. They even gave him a chance to play on the top PP unit for a little while. Not sure what else they could have done to help him. - PhillySportsGuy
I’m not going to give excuses for him. He needs to be better. But from what I see he’s getting more and more comfortable with the puck on his stick. He needs to work on making more plays to the net. Being a bit more sudden and sharp in his game |
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Djapana
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Sunset Dreaming, FL Joined: 09.16.2017
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The people of Tampa are shocked......that they have a hockey team - Just5
Tampa has a very solid fan base and have had seasonal sell outs for many years. They sell out even in the odd years that they don’t make the playoffs. It’s been this way since they won the cup and a bit longer. They actually have a much more reliable fan base than Columbus. It is nothing like the franchise on the other side of the state. |
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Just5
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: PA Joined: 05.22.2008
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I don’t want anything to do with Erik Karlsson this summer |
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Just5
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Location: PA Joined: 05.22.2008
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Tampa has a very solid fan base and have had seasonal sell outs for many years. They sell out even in the odd years that they don’t make the playoffs. It’s been this way since they won the cup and a bit longer. They actually have a much more reliable fan base than Columbus. It is nothing like the franchise on the other side of the state. - Djapana
I didn’t think they were Florida bad with attendance but that’s nice that they draw that well
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2Real
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA Joined: 07.14.2007
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I don’t want anything to do with Erik Karlsson this summer - Just5
Been saying this forever he’s poop on D |
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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils |
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Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ Joined: 01.14.2011
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I don’t want anything to do with Erik Karlsson this summer - Just5
The feeling is probably mutual.
Why would he want to come here right now? He's going to have an offer for nearly every team in the league I have to imagine. |
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Tomahawk
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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His career path is going to be similar to Couturier - MBFlyerfan
I'd really be careful about making that assumption.
Coots was (frank)ing fantastic possession player and defensive player when he stepped into the league at the same age. Patrick's one of the team's worst possession forwards (despite having way better linemates and more ozone time than Coots ever got), and not exactly polished defensively either.
Not saying he's gonna be a bad NHL player or anything, but I think people need to realize he's likely a 45-50 pt C.
If there's a chance to get a guy with a higher ceiling for Patrick, I'd look into it. |
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Tfaehner
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Joined: 06.25.2012
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Tampa has a very solid fan base and have had seasonal sell outs for many years. They sell out even in the odd years that they don’t make the playoffs. It’s been this way since they won the cup and a bit longer. They actually have a much more reliable fan base than Columbus. It is nothing like the franchise on the other side of the state. - Djapana
Semi correct. They've been in the top half of attendance only since 2013. And they only the past few years have averaged Dell outs. |
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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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You can't just disregard his poor play as him being young. Konecny is young too.
I'd say his ceiling is that of a solid 2C. - PhillySportsGuy
Patrick's offensive production is certainly disappointing but I wouldn't call it poor play. He plays very well away from the puck and shows sign of being a really good offensive player. His development is just not going to happen as quickly as we had hoped.
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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I'd really be careful about making that assumption.
Coots was (frank)ing fantastic possession player and defensive player when he stepped into the league at the same age. Patrick's one of the team's worst possession forwards (despite having way better linemates and more ozone time than Coots ever got), and not exactly polished defensively either.
Not saying he's gonna be a bad NHL player or anything, but I think people need to realize he's likely a 45-50 pt C.
If there's a chance to get a guy with a higher ceiling for Patrick, I'd look into it. - Tomahawk
I think he has potential to score more than that. I also think he is going to develop offensively fast than Couturier.
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You don't want anyone from that conference? How about no one from college, period.
This franchise hasn't had a coach with a NHL track record since Lavi and surprise surprise they've had next to no playoff success in that time. - hereticpride
I actually dont want a college coach either, was just restraining my words a little.
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The feeling is probably mutual.
Why would he want to come here right now? He's going to have an offer for nearly every team in the league I have to imagine. - hereticpride
He is a modern day Paul Coffey with a good mustache and stylish hair... |
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Tomahawk
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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I think he has potential to score more than that. I also think he is going to develop offensively fast than Couturier. - MJL
The thing that concerns me is that he's not putting more rubber on net. It's one of the most clear indicators of a guy's scoring potential, since it's generally repeatable from season to season. Guys who we consider scorers tend to be around 2-3+ shots per game.
Below is a list of all guys who are currently top-six forwards around Patrick's age group and their shots/game:
Auston Matthews 3.38
Brady Tkatchuk 3.01
Patrik Laine 2.91
Clayton Keller 2.47
Alex DeBrincat 2.45
Matthew Tkathuk 2.40
Alex Svechnikov 2.30
Nico Hischier 2.25
P-L Dubois 2.06
Elias Pettersson 2.02
Nolan Patrick 1.67
He's way under the rest. |
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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The thing that concerns me is that he's not putting more rubber on net. It's one of the most clear indicators of a guy's scoring potential, since it's generally repeatable from season to season. Guys who we consider scorers tend to be around 2-3+ shots per game.
Below is a list of all guys who are currently top-six forwards around Patrick's age group and their shots/game:
Auston Matthews 3.38
Brady Tkatchuk 3.01
Patrik Laine 2.91
Clayton Keller 2.47
Alex DeBrincat 2.45
Matthew Tkathuk 2.40
Alex Svechnikov 2.30
Nico Hischier 2.25
P-L Dubois 2.06
Elias Pettersson 2.02
Nolan Patrick 1.67
He's way under the rest. - Tomahawk
Dig deeper and look at why he's not putting more shots on net. That's real anaysis rather than just looking at stats and comparing to other players. Look at why and if he has the ability to improve. Remember the comments of Fletcher about bad habits? Focus on that.
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hereticpride
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Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ Joined: 01.14.2011
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The thing that concerns me is that he's not putting more rubber on net. It's one of the most clear indicators of a guy's scoring potential, since it's generally repeatable from season to season. Guys who we consider scorers tend to be around 2-3+ shots per game.
Below is a list of all guys who are currently top-six forwards around Patrick's age group and their shots/game:
Auston Matthews 3.38
Brady Tkatchuk 3.01
Patrik Laine 2.91
Clayton Keller 2.47
Alex DeBrincat 2.45
Matthew Tkathuk 2.40
Alex Svechnikov 2.30
Nico Hischier 2.25
P-L Dubois 2.06
Elias Pettersson 2.02
Nolan Patrick 1.67
He's way under the rest. - Tomahawk
To be fair I have to imagine he isn't getting the ice time that these guys are seeing as many of them are playing both top line minutes and top PP minutes. I have to imagine shots per 60 minutes played is a little more accurate than shots per game. |
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Tomahawk
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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To be fair I have to imagine he isn't getting the ice time that these guys are seeing as many of them are playing both top line minutes and top PP minutes. I have to imagine shots per 60 minutes played is a little more accurate than shots per game. - hereticpride
ES Shots/60, still bottom of the stack:
Auston Matthews 10.55
Brady Tkatchuk 10.54
Alex Svechnikov 9.84
Alex DeBrincat 8.64
Patrik Laine 8.35
Matthew Tkathuk 7.97
Nico Hischier 7.89
Clayton Keller 7.35
P-L Dubois 7.32
Elias Pettersson 6.04
Nolan Patrick 5.67 |
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hereticpride
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Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ Joined: 01.14.2011
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ES Shots/60, still bottom of the stack:
Auston Matthews 10.55
Brady Tkatchuk 10.54
Alex Svechnikov 9.84
Alex DeBrincat 8.64
Patrik Laine 8.35
Matthew Tkathuk 7.97
Nico Hischier 7.89
Clayton Keller 7.35
P-L Dubois 7.32
Elias Pettersson 6.04
Nolan Patrick 5.67 - Tomahawk
But a a good deal closer to most of those guys. I get what you're saying but we also have to remember he isn't a puck hogging sniper either. A few of these guys are shooters first and that just isn't Patrick's game.
I get it. He went 2nd overall and people want results. Give him some time. Honestly since we didn't even have any business picking 2nd that year I'm not too worked up over it. Frost may be our 2C in 2 or 3 years anyway and Patrick will be a fine 3C option. |
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