Nobody is writing him off.
- MJL

Alright, saying he's not going to be a star, first off what's a star? You have star and top scorer in one of your posts, two totally different things imo. A star is a guy like Voracek, I think Patrick can be a ppg guy, or right below that. That's why I said people are writing him off.

Well they are interviewing Alain Vigneault. I think he could be a solid hire to move this forward.
- J35Bacher

Not thrilled with him, but based on his resume I'd take him over Gordon.

Confidence is part of it but more than anything he needs to move off of the perimeter and play in the dangerous areas of the ice, get himself in scoring lanes both with the puck and without. That's an issue with a number of players on this team.
- MJL

Yep, you are describing one of his consistency issues, but I just think even those are offshoots of lacking confidence for him. Sometimes you get lucky when you have done something right once and that builds confidence. Sometimes you have to build your consistency until finally you see results and confidence blossoms. Whichever.

You are leaving out something. Hakstol never won at a place where those before him, and after him have won. How do you explain this?

And we saw how Hakstol worked out here right? You see what a real coach is doing to the Penguins. Crosby did anything he wanted against the Flyers last year. He owned them.
- PLindbergh31

I never defended the Hakstol hire or his tenure here. I do remember approaching it with an open mind. I just thought it was funny that you used him never winning a championship to immediately write him off. So if they hire Sandelin, what'll it be? Good ol' boys club?

Maybe they should take some hiring tips from NY Giants upper management.

I never defended the Hakstol hire or his tenure here. I do remember approaching it with an open mind. I just thought it was funny that you used him never winning a championship to immediately write him off. So if they hire Sandelin, what'll it be? Good ol' boys club?

Maybe they should take some hiring tips from NY Giants upper management.
- TobyFlenderson

Please don't compare the Flyers to a team that has won 4 championships in the last 30 years.

Please don't compare the Flyers to a team that has won 4 championships in the last 30 years.
- PLindbergh31

Because they're in such great shape to win another one in the next 30! I'm gonna laugh hard when they draft Shurmur's son.

Dude, you'll find something wrong with any coach that they hire. You'll come here spew your poop, and then come back when they hit a losing streak or whatever. You're too predictable. You gotta mix it up a bit.

I think people forget how young he is. Regardless of how good the return for Schenn was Hextall really kicked the can down the road by throwing a 19 year old out there with Flippula as his backup. To be saying he's the reason they have suspect center depth is absurd. Hextall didn't go out and get a 3C this past off-season plain and simple.

I still think it's too early to be selling Patrick. He's going to be a solid 2C down the road, I don't care where he was drafted.
- hereticpride

Thats why I think a Duchene, or Pavelski/Joe would be a great get as a second line center, keep the line of JVR Patrick Konecny together and let them feast on lesser defensively able dmen. Move Lindblom to line 1 with Coots and G, have Duchene centering a line with Voracek and maybe a Frost or Farabee, and keep raffl, hartman, and laughton together. on a fourth line, and roll all 4 lines each game.

Alright, saying he's not going to be a star, first off what's a star? You have star and top scorer in one of your posts, two totally different things imo. A star is a guy like Voracek, I think Patrick can be a ppg guy, or right below that. That's why I said people are writing him off.
- ClaudeFather

I dont consider Voracek a star player. You may have a different definition. I consider a star player and a top scorer essentially the same. Again, you may have a different definition.

I dont consider Voracek a star player. You may have a different definition. I consider a star player and a top scorer essentially the same. Again, you may have a different definition.
- MJL

That's fine. What do you consider him, above average or good player? Not that there are universal or set categories. Giroux would be a star player correct?

That's fine. What do you consider him, above average or good player? Not that there are universal or set categories. Giroux would be a star player correct?
- ClaudeFather

Yes, Giroux would be a star player. I Understand those terms are not universal so maybe using that is too vague.

Thats why I think a Duchene, or Pavelski/Joe would be a great get as a second line center, keep the line of JVR Patrick Konecny together and let them feast on lesser defensively able dmen. Move Lindblom to line 1 with Coots and G, have Duchene centering a line with Voracek and maybe a Frost or Farabee, and keep raffl, hartman, and laughton together. on a fourth line, and roll all 4 lines each game.
- sjk540

I would have real interest in Duchene. They have cap room to play with and no question he would improve this team in a big way. I love Jumbo Joe but at most I think he's got two years left in him and if he leaves SJ I think he's going to sign wherever his best shot for a cup is. Can't see that being us next year.

Would also have interest in Pavelski but I'm not so sure the Sharks don't hang onto him.

I dont consider Voracek a star player. You may have a different definition. I consider a star player and a top scorer essentially the same. Again, you may have a different definition.
- MJL

I don’t consider Voracek among the elite wings in this league. I never have.

In my opinion, and I know many will disagree, I would consider moving the 11th pick and a couple other pieces to bring in scoring help.

I like Jake but I think he would look best in a second line role behind someone more legit or simply move on.

Yes, Giroux would be a star player. I Understand those terms are not universal so maybe using that is too vague.
- MJL

I guess I consider Giroux a superstar and Voracek a star. Somehow I don’t consider Coots a star.

I would have real interest in Duchene. They have cap room to play with and no question he would improve this team in a big way. I love Jumbo Joe but at most I think he's got two years left in him and if he leaves SJ I think he's going to sign wherever his best shot for a cup is. Can't see that being us next year.

Would also have interest in Pavelski but I'm not so sure the Sharks don't hang onto him.
- hereticpride

I think Duchene's fate will be the same as the Jackets. Tampa has the ability to come back from this, I don't think the Penguins do. If Columbus loses this round (not likely) or next I see Duchene leaving. If they go to the ECF because they beat the Islanders, then I think he resigns, and while Panarin is a certainty to leave, Bob might be talked into staying with Dzingle and Duchene staying.

I would have real interest in Duchene. They have cap room to play with and no question he would improve this team in a big way. I love Jumbo Joe but at most I think he's got two years left in him and if he leaves SJ I think he's going to sign wherever his best shot for a cup is. Can't see that being us next year.

Would also have interest in Pavelski but I'm not so sure the Sharks don't hang onto him.
- hereticpride

If the Sharks lose this series and fail to make it out of the first round again, I think DeBoer is gone, I think they probably won't resign Joe, who knows, maybe they start a partial retool and let EK and Pavelski walk. I mean I wouldn't, but the Sharks just haven't been able to get over that hill even with all the talent they have. They have an interesting off season coming up as well, especially if they lost to Vegas in 5

huks99

I know, it's a nice place...

No crime, no snow, no constant corruption headlines, no state income taxes, a real economy, a future, ... go on?

I miss the food, and I used to say Flyers, but... not so much anymore.
- BadCowboyDan

Ok...that maybe a bit of a stretch....you make it sound like the best place in the country.

You missing a few of the negatives...like the avg temp is 100... in the shade😰 For most of the summer.

Property taxes are high but not crazy, the influx of folks from California does not stop, causing growth rates the are the highest in the country.

Flyers need to watched on centre ice and being forced to listen to other team announcers....like jack edwards(homer of homers) it is no fun.


I have been here almost 20 years and would not move back to the philly area because of the people.....most of them are nicer...not to offend anyone on this board but on avg the people are friendlier.

I guess I consider Giroux a superstar and Voracek a star. Somehow I don’t consider Coots a star.
- SuperSchennBros

Hows this make sense? Coots had better numbers than Voracek across the board, and he's scored 30 in back to back years, coincidentally the same two years he was given a more integral role in the offense (1st/2nd line & PP time) And the funny thing is he has 8 years of NHL experience and he's only 26 still. Normally 8 years of experience means your close to 30. I would absolutely classify Coots as an absolute star, definitely a top 50 player in the league.

Not thrilled with him, but based on his resume I'd take him over Gordon.
- PLindbergh31

same just seems a guy to hire and wait on till something comes up better after a few years

Hows this make sense? Coots had better numbers than Voracek across the board, and he's scored 30 in back to back years, coincidentally the same two years he was given a more integral role in the offense (1st/2nd line & PP time) And the funny thing is he has 8 years of NHL experience and he's only 26 still. Normally 8 years of experience means your close to 30. I would absolutely classify Coots as an absolute star, definitely a top 50 player in the league.
- sjk540

And I would also point out to those saying Patrick is going to be this or that, Many in here said Coots would never be more than a 3C, (and some still do).

Personally I am going to cut the 20 year old some slack. Talk to me again in 2 years when he is 22, 23 years old and them Ill have a much better read on who he will ultimately be as an NHL player.

same just seems a guy to hire and wait on till something comes up better after a few years
- 2Real

A guy who has done well and probably over achieved everywhere he's went?

And I would also point out to those saying Patrick is going to be this or that, Many in here said Coots would never be more than a 3C, (and some still do).

Personally I am going to cut the 20 year old some slack. Talk to me again in 2 years when he is 22, 23 years old and them Ill have a much better read on who he will ultimately be as an NHL player.
- MBFlyerfan

Logic will not be tolerated.

I guess I consider Giroux a superstar and Voracek a star. Somehow I don’t consider Coots a star.
- SuperSchennBros

giroux is not on the level of Stamoks, Kuch, Ovechkin, Crosby, McDavid, Kane, Gaudreau... hell he doesn't even play as tough as Marchand

A guy who has done well and probably over achieved everywhere he's went?
- ClaudeFather

so he won the cup? cool

so he won the cup? cool
- 2Real

Great answer

giroux is not on the level of Stamoks, Kuch, Ovechkin, Crosby, McDavid, Kane, Gaudreau... hell he doesn't even play as tough as Marchand
- 2Real

He is 100% better than Stamkos