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Peter Tessier
Joined: 10.11.2011

Apr 20 @ 2:55 PM ET
Peter Tessier: Jets vs Blues Game 6- Do or die edition Just win baby- well yes but how are the Jets going to do that?
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Apr 20 @ 3:16 PM ET
I think if there were anything to be learned for this year's playoffs it is that the regular season doesn't really matter that much and that its a whole new ball game come playoff time. Obviously learning the coach's different systems for certain styles of opponents is a key thing to get right during the reg season as our the various line combos that work best. Otherwise, it all comes down to heart, grit, solid goaltending, as well as doing the team's best to reduce mistakes to a minimum.

All the corsi and advanced analytics stuff though you can just take and throw out the window. Teams like Tampa, Calgary, and Boston were very dominant in virtually every category but it all means nothing if they don't have the heart and soul needed to win playoff games. Virtually every team that has won their series or are up were playing playoff hockey for the past month or more. Those that lost were not. The only exception to that rule this year might be Vegas and Toronto.

The Jets probably deserve better fate ,but at the same time, have had to play another great team in the Blues. Whether they win or not tonight, I think it would be wrong to fault their effort and criticize. A little puck luck, in the end, is all that has really separated these teams and I can cite numerous examples from each game.

Best of luck to the Jets tonight ! A game 7 would be a wonderful spectacle to watch.
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Apr 20 @ 3:37 PM ET
I think if there were anything to be learned for this year's playoffs it is that the regular season doesn't really matter that much and that its a whole new ball game come playoff time. Obviously learning the coach's different systems for certain styles of opponents is a key thing to get right during the reg season as our the various line combos that work best. Otherwise, it all comes down to heart, grit, solid goaltending, as well as doing the team's best to reduce mistakes to a minimum.

All the corsi and advanced analytics stuff though you can just take and throw out the window. Teams like Tampa, Calgary, and Boston were very dominant in virtually every category but it all means nothing if they don't have the heart and soul needed to win playoff games. Virtually every team that has won their series or are up were playing playoff hockey for the past month or more. Those that lost were not. The only exception to that rule this year might be Vegas and Toronto.

The Jets probably deserve better fate ,but at the same time, have had to play another great team in the Blues. Whether they win or not tonight, I think it would be wrong to fault their effort and criticize. A little puck luck, in the end, is all that has really separated these teams and I can cite numerous examples from each game.

Best of luck to the Jets tonight ! A game 7 would be a wonderful spectacle to watch.

- jetsnation



Yea, all we can do is hope for the best.

I agree the effort has been there, just almost zilch puck luck. Hopefully we can all discuss game seven! If we get the same effort as previous games, the chances are good! GO JETS!!!
CharlieDog
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Apr 20 @ 4:02 PM ET
I think if there were anything to be learned for this year's playoffs it is that the regular season doesn't really matter that much and that its a whole new ball game come playoff time. Obviously learning the coach's different systems for certain styles of opponents is a key thing to get right during the reg season as our the various line combos that work best. Otherwise, it all comes down to heart, grit, solid goaltending, as well as doing the team's best to reduce mistakes to a minimum.

All the corsi and advanced analytics stuff though you can just take and throw out the window. Teams like Tampa, Calgary, and Boston were very dominant in virtually every category but it all means nothing if they don't have the heart and soul needed to win playoff games. Virtually every team that has won their series or are up were playing playoff hockey for the past month or more. Those that lost were not. The only exception to that rule this year might be Vegas and Toronto.

The Jets probably deserve better fate ,but at the same time, have had to play another great team in the Blues. Whether they win or not tonight, I think it would be wrong to fault their effort and criticize. A little puck luck, in the end, is all that has really separated these teams and I can cite numerous examples from each game.

Best of luck to the Jets tonight ! A game 7 would be a wonderful spectacle to watch.

- jetsnation


This about covers it.

Btw, hopefully the Jets can stay out of the box tonite. Scheifle and Perreault are leading in penalties at 8 minutes each, but Perreault has played one less game at 4.

Myers and Kuli are at 4 mins each then it drops off to 2 minutes for other players.
Big Buff only has 2 mins of penalties in 5 games so everyone else needs to stay out the frickin box!


Go Jets Go!
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Apr 20 @ 6:52 PM ET
If Ehlers is not able to go I’d roll with seven Dmen and let Big Buf roll some shifts at forward.
CharlieDog
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Apr 20 @ 7:21 PM ET
If Ehlers is not able to go I’d roll with seven Dmen and let Big Buf roll some shifts at forward.
- walleyeb1


Creative.

Why slap it backhand blindly when you know there is someone trailing up along the baords supporting the first opposing player in? Jumping junipers.

Then follow it up with a needless penalty. Oh, wait, its St Laurent offciating.

Hellebuyck at least showed up to play, if I try to find something positive.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Apr 20 @ 9:14 PM ET
Wow Shwarts!
bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Apr 20 @ 9:20 PM ET
Did Buff’s Brain make the trip ?
Karine Hains
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Lévis, QC
Joined: 10.27.2018

Apr 20 @ 9:23 PM ET
Did Buff’s Brain make the trip ?
- bennythehat


He dropped it on the Blues bench when someone grabbed his stick...rookie mistake
Athrin
Joined: 07.07.2016

Apr 20 @ 9:55 PM ET
and Jets are eliminated. 36-20 shots on net for the blues....Jets never showed up, coach needs to be fired.....
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Apr 20 @ 10:03 PM ET
My only question was why couldn't the Jets play the whole game with the same energy they showed in the last 5 minutes. They really didn't match the Blues for heart and soul tonight.

Buff....grrrrrr. A painful night for him.

Some posters have knocked Myers all season but we saw every other Jet defenseman this series make major mistakes except him ...he was solid all series.

Perreault played better this game but he will be the Jets first trade during the offseason. Tanev is clearly the better player at much much less salary. I hope we can sign him and keep TLC together.

One wonders if a player like Brendan Lemieux would have been a difference maker for the Jets in this series. The Jets were winning a lot of games while he was in the lineup and really were not the same team after he left. He will excel in NY.

Jets will need a shakeup for next season . We need more grit. Guys like Schwartz and Schenn. I guess Stone could have been that guy. Hayes had his moments but was never a good fit.

Enjoy the summer !
CharlieDog
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Apr 20 @ 10:04 PM ET
Well, at least they broke the goose egg and got two. Made it soemwhat respectable.

Our goalie was good but the rest of the team forgot to show up. Not quite the battle I was hoping for an elimination game.

St. Louis will win the next series and will play in the Western finals now.
Jetter
Joined: 02.21.2019

Apr 20 @ 10:06 PM ET
and Jets are eliminated. 36-20 shots on net for the blues....Jets never showed up, coach needs to be fired.....
- Athrin


Series was over on Thursday. Like I said earlier. That loss really hurt. No coming back from that. I believe this jets team lost 14 games in the third period when they had leads. You can say all you want about parking the last game and moving on but the game 5 loss really hurt.

I realize teams create their own good luck with hard work, effort, etc. But the Jets never got 1/4 of the bounces/luck that St. Louis got. And don’t tell me that St. Louis outplayed the jets for 3/4 of this series.

Anyway good learning experience for the 2nd youngest team in the league. Changes are coming but hopefully Chevy steers through these waters without too much damage.

Have a good summer!
PREDX1
Nashville Predators
Location: Rock City, TN
Joined: 10.05.2011

Apr 20 @ 11:40 PM ET
I guess I'll be seeing you guys on the golf course soon enough.... The complaints about your team mirror our complaints about the Preds.....

FYI I prefer Corona with Lime....
PREDX1
Nashville Predators
Location: Rock City, TN
Joined: 10.05.2011

Apr 20 @ 11:40 PM ET
and Jets are eliminated. 36-20 shots on net for the blues....Jets never showed up, coach needs to be fired.....
- Athrin


Jets must have been watching Nashville Play...
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Apr 21 @ 12:26 AM ET
I’ve been Jeff Goldblum-ing my way through this entire season, saying over and over again this coaching staff (and the same issues we displayed consistently all year long) would end us.

-The offence is still nerfed by bad lines and a weird emphasis on shot quality that ultimately leads to no shots at all, specifically lacking from the slot. We only ever have 2 lines rolling at a time, if we’re lucky. Maurice has absolutely 0 creativity, which is why he always goes back to the same 3 lines he started 2018 with, even though TLC is a waste of Copp’s centering abilities, 81-55-26 has been brutal this season, and 27-18-29 has literally never worked.
You traded your most racist prospect and a 1st round pick to bench Hayes in the playoffs after playing him as your 4C? Perreault never once gets a shot at sparking Laine after being used literally just for that reason all over the lineup with everyone else for his entire tenure? Little gets the minutes boost when the bench gets shortened because... why?
This isn’t even mentioning the seemingly intentional mishandling of Laine, the running down of Scheifele and Wheeler, and all the chemistry problems that haven’t been addressed all over the place since game 1.
-The defence is still getting spun around thanks to our nonsensical, meandering man-to-man hybrid system every single team takes advantage of. Hellebuyck has been getting pelted every time he starts a game. 44-8 is gold standard, but why is Byfuglien still carrying Chiarot? Would it not have been smarter to get Niku in early and see what he can do with the big man if Chiarot is already your “meh, it’ll do” option? Niku’s treatment is just the tip of the idiotic iceberg. Kulikov-Myers has been terrible this year, but it worked last year, so keep on chugging. Beaulieu outplayed Kulikov AND Chiarot, but he’s new, so he can go away now plz. Kiselevich didn’t even get to play, despite having the best defensive numbers outside of the top 3 (44, 8, 33).
-Our power play is still fairly effective, but they’ve made no adjustments to keep it unpredictable, and the second unit is still completely useless.
-Our PK is still flaccid. No pressure, just constant screens for Hellebuyck. Don’t get in the passing lanes, just let them fire away. Surely Hellebuyck will see the one-timer through 5 bodies.
-Now there’s the problem of the transition game. Why is it the Jets can’t make a breakout pass? When I see Morrissey look to pass to Wheeler, whom is standing completely still and too deep in the zone, then decide to hit Scheifele while he’s at center ice with two guys on him, my assumption is not that Morrissey is stupid. It’s the system that’s broken. There is no speed on the breakout. It’s just let the dman try and carry it out, dump it at the line, give up possession, repeat. OR try and force a pass, and give it up/ice it.
Going the other way, it’s even worse. The Jets give up so much ice on the backcheck. Why is a team as big and fast on the back end as us giving up a 10 foot gap all the way until you hit the bottom of the circles?
-Then we have all the issues in the room, which I will not be typing out here.

I can keep going, but I’m already in my 46th paragraph. Our lights are out. This car is dead. Tonight was the night the fence came down.

Boy do I hate being right all the time.
punchanello77
Joined: 07.17.2015

Apr 21 @ 8:05 AM ET
Should have done what it took to get Mark Stone.
CharlieDog
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Apr 21 @ 8:28 AM ET
I was wondering how long it would take Rexy to post his pre-typed message of told you so.

2.0 was totally right a few blogs ago when he forecasted Rexy's re-emergence of negativity.

tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Apr 21 @ 8:58 AM ET
I’ve been Jeff Goldblum-ing my way through this entire season, saying over and over again this coaching staff (and the same issues we displayed consistently all year long) would end us.

-The offence is still nerfed by bad lines and a weird emphasis on shot quality that ultimately leads to no shots at all, specifically lacking from the slot. We only ever have 2 lines rolling at a time, if we’re lucky. Maurice has absolutely 0 creativity, which is why he always goes back to the same 3 lines he started 2018 with, even though TLC is a waste of Copp’s centering abilities, 81-55-26 has been brutal this season, and 27-18-29 has literally never worked.
You traded your most racist prospect and a 1st round pick to bench Hayes in the playoffs after playing him as your 4C? Perreault never once gets a shot at sparking Laine after being used literally just for that reason all over the lineup with everyone else for his entire tenure? Little gets the minutes boost when the bench gets shortened because... why?
This isn’t even mentioning the seemingly intentional mishandling of Laine, the running down of Scheifele and Wheeler, and all the chemistry problems that haven’t been addressed all over the place since game 1.
-The defence is still getting spun around thanks to our nonsensical, meandering man-to-man hybrid system every single team takes advantage of. Hellebuyck has been getting pelted every time he starts a game. 44-8 is gold standard, but why is Byfuglien still carrying Chiarot? Would it not have been smarter to get Niku in early and see what he can do with the big man if Chiarot is already your “meh, it’ll do” option? Niku’s treatment is just the tip of the idiotic iceberg. Kulikov-Myers has been terrible this year, but it worked last year, so keep on chugging. Beaulieu outplayed Kulikov AND Chiarot, but he’s new, so he can go away now plz. Kiselevich didn’t even get to play, despite having the best defensive numbers outside of the top 3 (44, 8, 33).
-Our power play is still fairly effective, but they’ve made no adjustments to keep it unpredictable, and the second unit is still completely useless.
-Our PK is still flaccid. No pressure, just constant screens for Hellebuyck. Don’t get in the passing lanes, just let them fire away. Surely Hellebuyck will see the one-timer through 5 bodies.
-Now there’s the problem of the transition game. Why is it the Jets can’t make a breakout pass? When I see Morrissey look to pass to Wheeler, whom is standing completely still and too deep in the zone, then decide to hit Scheifele while he’s at center ice with two guys on him, my assumption is not that Morrissey is stupid. It’s the system that’s broken. There is no speed on the breakout. It’s just let the dman try and carry it out, dump it at the line, give up possession, repeat. OR try and force a pass, and give it up/ice it.
Going the other way, it’s even worse. The Jets give up so much ice on the backcheck. Why is a team as big and fast on the back end as us giving up a 10 foot gap all the way until you hit the bottom of the circles?
-Then we have all the issues in the room, which I will not be typing out here.

I can keep going, but I’m already in my 46th paragraph. Our lights are out. This car is dead. Tonight was the night the fence came down.

Boy do I hate being right all the time.

- Rexypoo

CharlieDog
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Apr 21 @ 9:02 AM ET
Now the conversation shifts to who stays and who finds a new home. Lots of dynamics to play out over the course of the summer. RFA Connor, Laine, Copp, UFA Tanev, Chairot, Myers.

The bad contract of Little. Scheiflle makes about 800 k more than Little and Scheif has 84 pts to Littles 41 points and Little has the same amount of term left of 5 years.

Using Scheif as an example, producing at slightly over a point a game and comparing to Ehlers at .6 pts per game and virtually making the same money as Scheif, is this a good contract? Should the team be expecting more from Ehlers?

I am sorry to say that although Trouba is not the fan favorite here and might not be a true #1, and is not the best pp quarterback, but he is going to get paid. 50 pts in the regular season, that is the same point total as Laine btw with the same amount of games played. Who is worth more contract wise?

Perreault and Tanev, each playing similar amount of games, Perreault at a whopping 30 pts or .37 pts pg and Tanev at 29 pts or .36 pts per game. Perreault is here for two more years at 4.125 and Tanev is UFA but was on the cheap at 1.15. This paragraph should be in the bad contract section as Perreault is a bad contract.

And I will wrap up with coaching. Other teams seem to be able to shake it up and change coaches like changing underwear. Like Minny last year hiring Boudreau, St Louis firing Yeo and replacing with Berube, etc. It might be time to replace this whole group. Huddy has been here from day 1 and perhaps its time to look at a new direction. The leaque has changed so maybe a change is needed, new thinking of the game. The Jets like Hawerchuck but is he ready for the NHL?
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Apr 21 @ 10:47 AM ET
Now the conversation shifts to who stays and who finds a new home. Lots of dynamics to play out over the course of the summer. RFA Connor, Laine, Copp, UFA Tanev, Chairot, Myers.

The bad contract of Little. Scheiflle makes about 800 k more than Little and Scheif has 84 pts to Littles 41 points and Little has the same amount of term left of 5 years.

Using Scheif as an example, producing at slightly over a point a game and comparing to Ehlers at .6 pts per game and virtually making the same money as Scheif, is this a good contract? Should the team be expecting more from Ehlers?

I am sorry to say that although Trouba is not the fan favorite here and might not be a true #1, and is not the best pp quarterback, but he is going to get paid. 50 pts in the regular season, that is the same point total as Laine btw with the same amount of games played. Who is worth more contract wise?

Perreault and Tanev, each playing similar amount of games, Perreault at a whopping 30 pts or .37 pts pg and Tanev at 29 pts or .36 pts per game. Perreault is here for two more years at 4.125 and Tanev is UFA but was on the cheap at 1.15. This paragraph should be in the bad contract section as Perreault is a bad contract.

And I will wrap up with coaching. Other teams seem to be able to shake it up and change coaches like changing underwear. Like Minny last year hiring Boudreau, St Louis firing Yeo and replacing with Berube, etc. It might be time to replace this whole group. Huddy has been here from day 1 and perhaps its time to look at a new direction. The leaque has changed so maybe a change is needed, new thinking of the game. The Jets like Hawerchuck but is he ready for the NHL?

- CharlieDog



Jets new coaching staff:

Head coach - Scott Arneil
Assistant Coach - Paul Maclean
Assistant Coach - Phil Housley
Goaltending Coach - The guy that both Hellebyuck and Broissant go see in Kelowna
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Apr 21 @ 10:49 AM ET
It's also time to move on from the "Big Dog". His NMC expires on July 1. The perfect trade for Byfuglien would be:

To TBL: Dustn Byfuglien

To WPG: Tyler Johnson, Mikael Sergachev
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Apr 21 @ 10:51 AM ET
-Good news, Appleton, Vesalainen, Niku and Poolman will All be full time next year at combined less than 4 million

- have to let 57,7 and 13 all walk!!! They will get over paid!!!!!! Anyone wanting Tanev just research his numbers away from copp and Lowry. I’ll add for the Myers fans, if he will sign 2-3 year deal for 4 or less, keep him. He is not worth more and will be an anchor to the team that pays more. He can’t play bigger minutes than bottom pair.

-buy out Kulikov

- fire Maurice but at the very least hire new assistants who Maurice respects enough to listen to and allow for changes Maurice has this far refused.

- if Trouba won’t sign, trade him but make the deal good. Have to!!! I repeat have to get an nhl ready Center or D on entry level deal that has top two line potential. Or one for one for a Trocheck, Larkin types. If little or Kulikov can be included in this deal, BONUS!!!
BluemanGuruu
St Louis Blues
Location: trustinjarmo knows nothing, MO
Joined: 06.28.2007

Apr 21 @ 10:52 AM ET
I'd like to say that it was a great series.

The Jets are still a great team and a bit patience needs to be had. Maurice made some excellent tweaks during this series.

The Blues have also had issues with third periods this season.

The amount of iron by both teams at critical moments is crazy.

The officiating was subpar going both ways. I cringed a number of times only to see my team not get called.

There's not much to tweak for the Jets; a bit of hunger and growth for those young players and they'll be better. If the speed of Ehlers, Connor and Laine can be harnessed they'll crush teams.

That's the worst I have ever seen Perrault play--I always liked him before.

Even if my team lost I would have been proud--the series was one of the best I have seen.
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Apr 21 @ 10:53 AM ET
-Good news, Appleton, Vesalainen, Niku and Poolman will All be full time next year at combined less than 4 million

- have to let 57,7 and 13 all walk!!! They will get over paid!!!!!! Anyone wanting Tanev just research his numbers away from copp and Lowry. I’ll add for the Myers fans, if he will sign 2-3 year deal for 4 or less, keep him. He is not worth more and will be an anchor to the team that pays more. He can’t play bigger minutes than bottom pair.

-buy out Kulikov

- fire Maurice but at the very least hire new assistants who Maurice respects enough to listen to and allow for changed Maurice has this far refused.

- if Trouba won’t sign, trade him but make the deal good. Have to!!! I repeat have to get an nhl ready Center or D on entry level deal that has top two line potential. Or one for one for a Trocheck, Larkin types. If little or Kulikov can be included in this deal, BONUS!!!

- Ross77


Like all your points except one. I hope we sign Myers.
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