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Chief4Feathers
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Post-Tank-alyptic World
Joined: 12.23.2010

Apr 25 @ 11:30 AM ET
ARthur yes, but they traded the 3rd round pick to Detroit for Jurco in February of 2017.
- SteveRain


Yes, a deal Bowman spent weeks, if not months, in the making.
333inthe3rd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.04.2015

Apr 25 @ 11:32 AM ET
Regarding the rehash of the Teuvo trade, I think he needed Finnish teammates to have a chance to thrive. He didn't have that here, aside from Raanta. His game went up a notch when Timonen came here, and he regressed a bit the next season. In Carolina he got that chance to thrive.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Apr 25 @ 11:33 AM ET
We don't know if this was true.
- paulr


That's why I hedged by saying "seemed". I don't really care what hockey players do specifically in the offseason as long as they show up when it is time to work. Everyone is different, and some guys can get along quite well simply on the natural skill.

I lament losing him because he is a good player, but it's not like our top 6 is missing having him - although he is a bit better defensively than guys like ADB and Strome thus far.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 25 @ 11:34 AM ET
LOL....that's true....it was nice to see Pirri make it with Vegas...he played some deccent minutes in the game 7.

Whos filing out that last spot in the 4 some?

- SteveRain

Pirri is such an idiot. He had some real good offensive capabilities but was brutal without the puck. Anyone can learn to play defense, it's all about positioning and hard work. If Pirri had put the effort in he could have have had a decent NHL career instead of being a tweener between the AHL and NHL.
Chief4Feathers
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Post-Tank-alyptic World
Joined: 12.23.2010

Apr 25 @ 11:34 AM ET
yeah I was pro TT, and I can admit I was dead wrong there. Im just a goof with internet access who likes to post on a board....

I went back and looked up that trade, and had to close my phone and stare out the window for a few minutes. Just awful, and granted they needed the cap space....BUT....the one thing that led to this was Bowman's refusal to SIGN Bickell in season before he became a beast in the 2013 playoffs. He could have saved at least 50% of that cap hit that led to Bickell and TeuvoTime being shipped out..

All the Hawks got to show for that was some goof that never made it that they drafted in the 2nd round, and then taking the 3rd pick and flipping it to Detroit for THE Thomas Jurco…..moment of silence for his infamous Hawks career.

- SteveRain


I was in the camp that viewed TT much in the same way a lot of us recently viewed Schmaltz; offensively gifted, but weak on the puck and wilted along the boards. It sucks we had to add him to offload Bickell and not to add to the team in other ways, but I wasn’t too disappointed to see him go.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Apr 25 @ 11:36 AM ET
The Hawks site has clips of Colliton's end of season Q&A (Stan's too). They both address the man-to-man question. According to them, there are times when they use it, but it is not an overarching concept. They explain it much better than I can.
- Chunk


Yeah and the last thing I want to see happen is the GM telling the head coach how to coach and what systems he should use. That’s a recipe for disaster!
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 25 @ 11:36 AM ET
That's why I hedged by saying "seemed". I don't really care what hockey players do specifically in the offseason as long as they show up when it is time to work. Everyone is different, and some guys can get along quite well simply on the natural skill.

I lament losing him because he is a good player, but it's not like our top 6 is missing having him - although he is a bit better defensively than guys like ADB and Strome thus far.

- Chunk

I wasn't one of those calling for TT to be movced and I wish now he hadn't been but there were allot of false stories going around about many things regarding the Blackhawks.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Apr 25 @ 11:36 AM ET
Pirri is such an idiot. He had some real good offensive capabilities but was brutal without the puck. Anyone can learn to play defense, it's all about positioning and hard work. If Pirri had put the effort in he could have have had a decent NHL career instead of being a tweener between the AHL and NHL.
- paulr


Yeah I thought the same thing......like Marty St Pierre......

Sucks watching the playoffs without a vested emotional interest. My binnys points are dropping...…...
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Apr 25 @ 11:37 AM ET
I would think Man to man would be susceptible to offensive pick plays and you just know coaches will devise all kinds of offensive movement and stationary picks to make the defenders stop dead in their tracks allowing the offense to create odd man advantges. I could understand calling man to man in certain situations to try to stop an offensive that is applying all kinds of pressure but I'm not really sure how man to man can work as the sole means of defensive coverage?
- paulr


Like man to man defenses in basketball there can be switches and hand offs when there are pick plays. Also like basketball there are ways to attack a zone and ways to attack a man to man. But for each attack there is a counter. The key is having all 5 players know exactly what there responsibility is in any situation.
Chief4Feathers
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Post-Tank-alyptic World
Joined: 12.23.2010

Apr 25 @ 11:39 AM ET
Yeah and the last thing I want to see happen is the GM telling the head coach how to coach and what systems he should use. That’s a recipe for disaster!
- walleyeb1


Bowman doesn’t put off that kind of vibe of being the kind of boss who would be in your lane telling you how to do the specifics of your job.

McD, on the other hand, seems like the kind of tool who would be doing that all the time...
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Apr 25 @ 11:40 AM ET
I wasn't one of those calling for TT to be movced and I wish now he hadn't been but there were allot of false stories going around about many things regarding the Blackhawks.
- paulr


Still are......the thing that baffles me is how does the beat writers covering this team for years NOT pick up on Hossa's condition? I mean he missed a SCF final game vs Boston because of it and all those "maintenance days"....crazy.

Maybe 1 guy saw it and Hossa asked him/her not to say anything and they didn't. Just weird to me...….

Problem here is, is that none of the media or beat guys are on the pulse of trades etc. Nobody breaks a thing.
RedRevenge
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 04.18.2017

Apr 25 @ 11:41 AM ET
Horrific move? Leddy and TT were traded for cap space and or to try to win another championship. In hindsight Leddy was a great move keeping Oduya to win the third cup and it was unlikely the Hawks would have been able to re-sign Leddy due to cap considerations. TT was moved again for cap considerations, moving Bickell's contract. I guess maybe Bowman should have known Bickell had MS and would have been able to be put on LITR? Danault was a bad move because it appeared Bowman and Quenneville weren't on the same page on that one. And Seabrooke's contract was a really bad move.
- paulr


100% this. TT was moved to clear cap space. People need to stop pushing a false narrative.... we get it, you don’t like Stan.
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 25 @ 11:42 AM ET
Bettman wouldn't nor NBC
- LAHawk

In terms of TV Markets it is

East
25 v 1 (and a weak audience for NYI)

34 V 9

West
4 V 21
8 V 17

No 2,3 or Canada...

Chief4Feathers
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Post-Tank-alyptic World
Joined: 12.23.2010

Apr 25 @ 11:42 AM ET
Pirri is such an idiot. He had some real good offensive capabilities but was brutal without the puck. Anyone can learn to play defense, it's all about positioning and hard work. If Pirri had put the effort in he could have have had a decent NHL career instead of being a tweener between the AHL and NHL.
- paulr


Wasn’t Pirri with the Hayes brothers complaining about call-ups and ice-time? I recall something about text messages from the elder Hayes alongside the lines of “Free Pirri.”

That struck me as he’s an entitled d-bag.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Apr 25 @ 11:43 AM ET
Boston/SJ Final. The Thornton show!
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Apr 25 @ 11:44 AM ET
Random thoughts and guesses on where prospects and other youngsters will be next season...

Blackhawks: D Sikura, Highmore, Hayden, Jokiharju, C Dahlstrom, Delia

Potential Free Agents: Kubalik, Mikheyev, Wedin

Europe: J Dahlstrom, From, Nordgren, Galvas, Laavainen

KHL: Altybarmakyan, Kayumov, Shalunov, Nalimov

NCAA: Barratt, Foo, Slavin, Wise, Ess, Mitchell, Shea

Juniors: Hakkarainen, Boqvist, Gravel

HOGS

Assumptions:
1) Beaudin goes pro after the QMJHL playoffs
2) Soderlund signs an ELC to start playing in North America
3) Veteran RFAs in Louis and T Sikura are resigned
4) Forsling and Koekkoek are also resigned

Versteeg - Kurashev - Hagel
Entwistle - L Johnson - Louis
Soderlund - Nilsson - Ejdsell
T Sikura - R Johnson - Knott
Noel, Fortin

Forsling - Carlsson
Gilbert - Krys
Beaudin - Hillman
Tuulola, Koekkoek

Forsberg
Lankinen

FUEL

Starrett, Olofsson, Ramsey, Ryzcek, Tomkins

- AEL_Fox



If the Hawks draft an NHL ready player, sign a 3C and a couple of veteran power forwards there may not be enough spaces for 3 forwards (Sikura, Highmore and Hayden). I am thinking 1 or at the most 2 of the 3 are on the opening day roster.

Kane, Toews, Saad, ADB, Strome, Kahun, Kampf, Caggiula, AA (probably gone)? #3 pick? #3c FA/trade? veteran bottom 6 FA?
Chief4Feathers
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Post-Tank-alyptic World
Joined: 12.23.2010

Apr 25 @ 11:45 AM ET
Boston/SJ Final. The Thornton show!
- powerenforcer


You think most Boston fans care about Big Joe anymore?
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 25 @ 11:46 AM ET
Still are......the thing that baffles me is how does the beat writers covering this team for years NOT pick up on Hossa's condition? I mean he missed a SCF final game vs Boston because of it and all those "maintenance days"....crazy.

Maybe 1 guy saw it and Hossa asked him/her not to say anything and they didn't. Just weird to me...….

Problem here is, is that none of the media or beat guys are on the pulse of trades etc. Nobody breaks a thing.

- SteveRain

Hockey isn't one of the top sports in Chicago. All the money for beat writers is going to Football, basketball and baseball I'd imagine. I doubt much gets by the Bears, Bulls or Sox/Cubs writers.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Apr 25 @ 11:47 AM ET
You think most Boston fans care about Big Joe anymore?
- Chief4Feathers


No, but the network has the story......and Joe "winning" his final year makes for great TV.
Chief4Feathers
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Post-Tank-alyptic World
Joined: 12.23.2010

Apr 25 @ 11:48 AM ET
If the Hawks draft an NHL ready player, sign a 3C and a couple of veteran power forwards there may not be enough spaces for 3 forwards (Sikura, Highmore and Hayden). I am thinking 1 or at the most 2 of the 3 are on the opening day roster.

Kane, Toews, Saad, ADB, Strome, Kahun, Kampf, Caggiula, AA (probably gone)? #3 pick? #3c FA/trade? veteran bottom 6 FA?

- -Doh-


While not impossible, it’s unlikely the player selected with the #3 pick is going to be NHL ready. However, I’d love to be wrong on this one.
Chief4Feathers
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Post-Tank-alyptic World
Joined: 12.23.2010

Apr 25 @ 11:49 AM ET
No, but the network has the story......and Joe "winning" his final year makes for great TV.
- powerenforcer


Agreed, Joe riding off into the sunset with the Cup would make for great sports.
Abadseed
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Arlington hts, IL
Joined: 01.20.2014

Apr 25 @ 11:52 AM ET
So losing Teravainen was worth clearing $3.6 in space?
- BINGO!



Dear God are you done beating this dead horse? It’s all you got. The Hawks let go of a player looking back they should have kept or got better value for. for christ sake let it go. I’m sure there are mistakes that the almighty canes have made over the years but honestly I don’t care enough to look them up. I enjoy your comments here but you make tt out to be Gretzky
Abadseed
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Arlington hts, IL
Joined: 01.20.2014

Apr 25 @ 11:54 AM ET


- DarthKane



How could the great teuvo not be on this list
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 25 @ 11:55 AM ET
How could the great teuvo not be on this list
- Abadseed

He is an alternate
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 25 @ 11:55 AM ET
How could the great teuvo not be on this list
- Abadseed

Bingo is trying to make a case for him as we speak!
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