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Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

May 15 @ 5:44 PM ET
I guess my question becomes, you'd rather have them than Tomasino (as an example)? Henry especially stands out like a sore thumb to me.
- MaximumBone


I’m not familiar enough with Tomasino to have an opinion on him.

So as of now, yes.
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

May 15 @ 5:50 PM ET
I’m not familiar enough with Tomasino to have an opinion on him.

So as of now, yes.

- Wildschwein


Tomasino is like a Barzal
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

May 15 @ 5:55 PM ET
Tomasino is like a Barzal
- RatedR80


Well then if that’s the case, then I’d be hard pressed to say no.
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

May 15 @ 5:57 PM ET
Well then if that’s the case, then I’d be hard pressed to say no.
- Wildschwein


Started the season as a 3rd line guy and ended up 2nd in CHL even strength scoring behind Cozens....lead the CHL in points/60.....quick hands and a good shot....good faceoff guy and doesn’t kill his team defensively
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

May 15 @ 6:07 PM ET
I’ve been beating the Tomasino drum for a while now so......
- RatedR80

I've also been keen on him for a while now. Him and Heinola. Back when they were still projected as 2nd round picks back in November.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

May 15 @ 6:12 PM ET
I’m not familiar enough with Tomasino to have an opinion on him.

So as of now, yes.

- Wildschwein

Top quality EV strength producer, excellent skater, among the top draft eligibles in that respect, excellent skater that plays a high energy game and is your classic late birthday (July 28th) riser.

“Explosive first step and agility to manoeuvre the puck around fore checkers and defenseman in his zone entry … So quick on his edges and can skate out of danger anywhere on the ice.” Marshall Mackinder

“His game has so many different layers to it. You’ve got an elite skater who plays with an infectious energy and has no fear on the ice. Impacts the game as a forechecker. Impacts the game as a puck carrier. Opens up space for his linemates when he doesn’t have the puck. And I haven’t even mentioned his hands and how skilled he is with the puck … (I)n a year where the OHL may not have a lottery selection, I think Tomasino possesses the most potential to be an impact NHL player and that’s why I’ve continued to move him up my list.” Brock Otten, OHLProspects

“An exciting forward with elite speed and agility, Tomasino has emerged as one of the top scoring threats on a team full of NHL drafted prospects. His puck control while travelling at top speed is excellent, and he can wear down opponents with his quick cutbacks and pivots.” Steve Kournianos, TSN


He's my Nick Suzuki/Ty Dellandrea pick for this year so it wouldn't surprise me to see him go even earlier than #16. I honestly wouldn't be opposed to grabbing him at 8, though I'd likely prefer to trade down a step or two before grabbing him (Vancouver).
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

May 15 @ 6:18 PM ET
Top quality EV strength producer, excellent skater, among the top draft eligibles in that respect, excellent skater that plays a high energy game and is your classic late birthday (July 28th) riser.

“Explosive first step and agility to manoeuvre the puck around fore checkers and defenseman in his zone entry … So quick on his edges and can skate out of danger anywhere on the ice.” Marshall Mackinder

“His game has so many different layers to it. You’ve got an elite skater who plays with an infectious energy and has no fear on the ice. Impacts the game as a forechecker. Impacts the game as a puck carrier. Opens up space for his linemates when he doesn’t have the puck. And I haven’t even mentioned his hands and how skilled he is with the puck … (I)n a year where the OHL may not have a lottery selection, I think Tomasino possesses the most potential to be an impact NHL player and that’s why I’ve continued to move him up my list.” Brock Otten, OHLProspects

“An exciting forward with elite speed and agility, Tomasino has emerged as one of the top scoring threats on a team full of NHL drafted prospects. His puck control while travelling at top speed is excellent, and he can wear down opponents with his quick cutbacks and pivots.” Steve Kournianos, TSN


He's my Nick Suzuki/Ty Dellandrea pick for this year so it wouldn't surprise me to see him go even earlier than #16. I honestly wouldn't be opposed to grabbing him at 8, though I'd likely prefer to trade down a step or two before grabbing him (Vancouver).

- MaximumBone


Given what’s actually out there after the big 3 you could make a case for Tomasino being a top 10 pick.....sure he won’t be ready for a few years but such is life
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

May 15 @ 8:04 PM ET
Given what’s actually out there after the big 3 you could make a case for Tomasino being a top 10 pick.....sure he won’t be ready for a few years but such is life
- RatedR80

He's also played with Maksimov a fair deal.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

May 16 @ 12:22 AM ET
Refs seem to want the Sharks to win the Cup 😅
EdmHockeyMan
Referee
Location: Lumbridge, AB
Joined: 06.24.2013

May 16 @ 12:33 AM ET
So, I'm pretty sure the sharks are gonna resign Karlsson.

The question is how much...
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

May 16 @ 12:47 AM ET
So, I'm pretty sure the sharks are gonna resign Karlsson.

The question is how much...

- EdmHockeyMan

Labanc, Meier, Pavelski, maybe Thornton and Karlsson with 19mil... seems unlikely without some significant cap going out.
EdmHockeyMan
Referee
Location: Lumbridge, AB
Joined: 06.24.2013

May 16 @ 1:28 AM ET
Labanc, Meier, Pavelski, maybe Thornton and Karlsson with 19mil... seems unlikely without some significant cap going out.
- MaximumBone


We could see Thornton retire if they win the cup. He'll be turning 40 years of age and finally be able to say that he won the Stanley Cup.

Maybe Pavelski too if SJ wins the cup? He'll be turning 35. My bets on him playing for another few years though.
EdmHockeyMan
Referee
Location: Lumbridge, AB
Joined: 06.24.2013

May 16 @ 1:44 AM ET
Labanc, Meier, Pavelski, maybe Thornton and Karlsson with 19mil... seems unlikely without some significant cap going out.
- MaximumBone


We could also see Labanc and Meier get bridge contracts if they plan on keeping Pavelski. Karlsson is gonna ask for 10m, and he is worth it.

Nonetheless, a few moves will need to be made if they plan on keeping Karlsson in the fold (as well as Labanc, Meier, and Pavelski). However, I don't think they'll be significant moves. With that being said, it would be a big loss if Pavelski left via free agency.

But then again, who would you keep if you had to pick between Pavelski and Karlsson?
The guy who has been loyal to the organization, still a high point producer, a leader of the team, but is older by a big margin.
Or the guy that is 6 years younger, one of the best defensemen in the league, but has a history of injuries?

With all due respect to Pavelski, keeping Karlsson would be my biggest priority and the logical choice. The choice would easier if Pavelski retired as well, but I think he'll stick around for a few more years. Obviously, I'd love to keep both, and quite honestly, I think this could be a possibility depending on a few things.

The cap is expected to increase to 83m for 2019-2020 according to the latest report, so SJ will have 22m in cap space. Banking on Thornton retiring if SJ wins, I think SJ can resign everybody else. It'll take a small move or two, some bridge contracts or perhaps a salary cut from Pavelski (unless he retires), but it's doable.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

May 16 @ 1:55 AM ET
We could see Thornton retire if they win the cup. He'll be turning 40 years of age and finally be able to say that he won the Stanley Cup.

Maybe Pavelski too if SJ wins the cup? He'll be turning 35. My bets on him playing for another few years though.

- EdmHockeyMan

Assuming Thornton retires, my thought is along the lines of:

At least 10 for Karlsson, maybe 11 to match Doughty

At least 5 for Pavelski, maybe takes a discount to help keep the team together

At least 5 even on a bridge for Meier after his season eclipsed any season Hertl had prior to his current deal.

At least 4 for Labanc on a bridge deal and that's likely even pushing it.

Even at the lowest end of every estimate, they're at 24mil without resigning any of their depth players. They could trade or buyout Melker, Braun or Dillon to free up more but those would be moves that hurt.
EdmHockeyMan
Referee
Location: Lumbridge, AB
Joined: 06.24.2013

May 16 @ 2:10 AM ET
Assuming Thornton retires, my thought is along the lines of:

At least 10 for Karlsson, maybe 11 to match Doughty

At least 5 for Pavelski, maybe takes a discount to help keep the team together

At least 5 even on a bridge for Meier after his season eclipsed any season Hertl had prior to his current deal.

At least 4 for Labanc on a bridge deal and that's likely even pushing it.

Even at the lowest end of every estimate, they're at 24mil without resigning any of their depth players. They could trade or buyout Melker, Braun or Dillon to free up more but those would be moves that hurt.

- MaximumBone


Would SJ be willing to let go of Pavelski in order to keep Karlsson as well resign their depth players?
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

May 16 @ 2:26 AM ET
Would SJ be willing to let go of Pavelski in order to keep Karlsson as well resign their depth players?
- EdmHockeyMan

Let me rephrase that back to you under a different light:

Would SJ be willing to let go of their 60+ point, two-way monster of a captain that's also a career Shark to accommodate the resigning of an excellent player that'll destroy their established cap structure (Burns and Couture at 8mil) and cut pretty heavily into their depth?

In EA's NHL games, sure. But the optics on such a move wouldn't hold consistent with the reputation that their organization has established to this point (see: Thornton).
wreckage
Florida Panthers
Location: Fuck Putin, fire Holland, AB
Joined: 07.29.2013

May 16 @ 3:51 AM ET
I can agree. The D corps would likely look weak for one more season, but then it'd take off.

Nurse- Larsson
Sekera- Gudas
Jones- Benning
Gravel

It frees up the 4mil from Klefbom's contract (even though that's far from a burden) to be put towards wingers for the top-6. In conjunction with a Russell trade and something being done with Lucic, that could end up being a total of around 9-10mil at the end of the day (1-1.5mil retained on Russell, 1.5-2mil retained on Lucic). With our existing 8.4mil available and the additional bump in cap ceiling (~2-3mil), we'd have over 20mil.

- MaximumBone


Except Gudas makes 3.35, so you are not gaining 4 from trading Klef and replacing him with Gudas, you are gaining 1 for a major shift in talent.
wreckage
Florida Panthers
Location: Fuck Putin, fire Holland, AB
Joined: 07.29.2013

May 16 @ 4:02 AM ET
The heart says keep Klefbom forever and ignore everything else (I really am a huge Klefbom fan) but the brain points to constant injuries and how it hurts the team because no one else can fill that void.....I think he is great when healthy....but then again “when healthy”
- RatedR80


The same heart that said Hemsky was a gem and untouchable. Loved him, but because of his "issue's" he should have been sent away earlier. Possibly have gotten more. Do we do the same with Kleffer now and hang on to him until his value is sunk because of injury history?
wreckage
Florida Panthers
Location: Fuck Putin, fire Holland, AB
Joined: 07.29.2013

May 16 @ 4:06 AM ET
Nothing against Nuge as I’m a fan but just imagine Connor and Leon on their own lines with wingers who can score
- RatedR80

It's my dream. My absolute dream manages to keep Nuge as the best 3C in the league. And finding some complimentary pieces year after year to keep him happy and around. Not likely, but hopefully possible. A rotation of decent but not great wingers for each of our C's is my dream. Kind of like what Pitts did without a fat sniper taking up another chunk of cap space.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

May 16 @ 4:53 AM ET
Except Gudas makes 3.35, so you are not gaining 4 from trading Klef and replacing him with Gudas, you are gaining 1 for a major shift in talent.
- wreckage

Except you didn't take into account that in my scenarios, Gudas is my aim regardless of whether Klefbom is traded. His addition is to replace Russell.

Russell and Lucic out = ~6-7mil in cap savings, 3.35 of which goes toward Gudas meaning a net gain of ~4mil

Klefbom, Russell and Lucic out = ~10-11mil in cap savings, 3.35 of which goes toward Gudas meaning a net gain of ~8mil

All numbers are dependent upon the total amount of cap retained, of course, but if we agree that Russell and Lucic are moves we make anyway, then we're still gaining cap space from moving Klefbom as we're replacing his minutes with in-house solutions. Nurse, Sekera, Jones, Gravel (or other) and Lagesson all take on more responsibility while Byram fulfills long term need.

The point is that the D corps looks in worse shape for about a year and a bit (barring breakouts and bouncebacks), but quickly looks much stronger than it would've been without that move. It banks on Byram being all I believe he is, but that's a risk I'd bet on.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

May 16 @ 5:32 AM ET
The same heart that said Hemsky was a gem and untouchable. Loved him, but because of his "issue's" he should have been sent away earlier. Possibly have gotten more. Do we do the same with Kleffer now and hang on to him until his value is sunk because of injury history?
- wreckage

Yeah, it's a tough dilemma and it's not too far removed from the one we faced with Hall. We have an obviously excellent player who can succeed in top-end minutes but suffers from injuries equating to around 15-20 games/year. In assessing the player's value, one has to ask themselves: does he bring enough value in ~60 games to make up for the negative value his injury consistently represents?

Is the difference in goal share impact of Klefbom over ~60 games and his replacement in that position for 20 games Vs the goal share impact that having a (perhaps) lesser, but healthier player in that role for closer to 80 games worth the 4mil cap hit? Can you replace that difference by committing that 4mil to a forward of substance? I honestly think the answer is yes, though I don't yet have real numbers to support this claim.

And this is without factoring the obvious benefit of the difference between adding Byram + Tomasino Vs Krebs/Dach/Zegras.
wreckage
Florida Panthers
Location: Fuck Putin, fire Holland, AB
Joined: 07.29.2013

May 16 @ 7:50 AM ET
Yeah, it's a tough dilemma and it's not too far removed from the one we faced with Hall. We have an obviously excellent player who can succeed in top-end minutes but suffers from injuries equating to around 15-20 games/year. In assessing the player's value, one has to ask themselves: does he bring enough value in ~60 games to make up for the negative value his injury consistently represents?

Is the difference in goal share impact of Klefbom over ~60 games and his replacement in that position for 20 games Vs the goal share impact that having a (perhaps) lesser, but healthier player in that role for closer to 80 games worth the 4mil cap hit? Can you replace that difference by committing that 4mil to a forward of substance? I honestly think the answer is yes, though I don't yet have real numbers to support this claim.

And this is without factoring the obvious benefit of the difference between adding Byram + Tomasino Vs Krebs/Dach/Zegras.

- MaximumBone


Factoring in the Holland effect, and his notion of becoming a playoff team immediately rather than 2 years away, I dont see Byram/Tomasino being a viable option. In his operations, they are at least 2 years away.

I am not against the option of trading one of Klef/Nurse if it makes sense. But it has to be an immediate improvement to the top 6, and at a cost comparative. Find us a young top 6 winger with term of 2 years, I will consider Klef or Nurse. But I am not accepting prospects anymore. Its go time, if they dont acquire pieces ready to go it's a no go. No more rebuilding and retooling. It's time to utilize CMD Drai and Nuge. No more slaps in their faces. Should RNH be able to grow a moustache before we see the playoffs again next?
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

May 16 @ 10:33 AM ET
Amazing that all it took was hiring one guy with even a quarter of a brain to get MacTavish out of the organization.

Can't wait to see who goes next.
Reveen.
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BC
Joined: 09.05.2016

May 16 @ 10:35 AM ET
https://www.tsn.ca/khl-s-...craig-mactavish-1.1306591

MacT is gone Jero and Iggy will be in mourning today.
Reveen.
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BC
Joined: 09.05.2016

May 16 @ 10:36 AM ET
Amazing that all it took was hiring one guy with even a quarter of a brain to get MacTavish out of the organization.

Can't wait to see who goes next.

- BINGO!


Next will be trading Pulju and Russell for Wallmark and Faulk.
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