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bloatedmosquito
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Jan 8 @ 2:52 PM ET
Pretty (frank)ing disturbing to watch but it's telling of the roll of security. They walked away from their responsibility and it resulted in that woman being killed...

RealityChecker
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Jan 8 @ 3:49 PM ET
Pretty (frank)ing disturbing to watch but it's telling of the roll of security. They walked away from their responsibility and it resulted in that woman being killed...


- bloatedmosquito

these guys proudly march with their guns proclaiming that they're "fighting" to uphold the constitution but once a bullet is fired, they cower and run.

so i ask: with their guns and talk, are they just cos-players at a comic book convention?
bloatedmosquito
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Jan 8 @ 5:15 PM ET
these guys proudly march with their guns proclaiming that they're "fighting" to uphold the constitution but once a bullet is fired, they cower and run.

so i ask: with their guns and talk, are they just cos-players at a comic book convention?

- RealityChecker



Cos-players definitely. That's why I was so surprised when the two security officers standing at the door just walked away from their post when one of the protesters yelled at them to leave. WTF were they afraid of?

I've seen better security detail at Central City's Walmart.
RealityChecker
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Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
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Jan 8 @ 5:49 PM ET
Cos-players definitely. That's why I was so surprised when the two security officers standing at the door just walked away from their post when one of the protesters yelled at them to leave. WTF were they afraid of?

I've seen better security detail at Central City's Walmart.

- bloatedmosquito

They received the orders from George Soros.

This whole thing was a false flag joint operation between Antifa, BLM, the deep state, Soros, Nancy Pelosi, the Clintons and the Girl Guides.

Wake up and smell the gay frogs, you sheep!
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jan 8 @ 6:00 PM ET
They received the orders from George Soros.

This whole thing was a false flag joint operation between Antifa, BLM, the deep state, Soros, Nancy Pelosi, the Clintons and the Girl Guides.

Wake up and smell the gay frogs, you sheep!

- RealityChecker


You’re right. I’ve had a moment of clarity. I’ve been walking around in a left-leaning, socialistic centred, Marxist worshipping daze that I’d lost all sense of reality.

Thank you for showing me the light! A beautiful golden white southern light that only a caucasian Jesus could provide.
RealityChecker
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Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Jan 8 @ 6:08 PM ET
You’re right. I’ve had a moment of clarity. I’ve been walking around in a left-leaning, socialistic centred, Marxist worshipping daze that I’d lost all sense of reality.

Thank you for showing me the light! A beautiful golden white southern light that only a caucasian Jesus could provide.

- bloatedmosquito

Pres.cup
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Joined: 12.23.2014

Jan 8 @ 6:30 PM ET
Pretty (frank)ing disturbing to watch but it's telling of the roll of security. They walked away from their responsibility and it resulted in that woman being killed...


- bloatedmosquito


There's a video of people entering the side door as police politely welcome them in.

They just Let them in.

Not, breaking in, they were let in. The blood is on their hands, but we won't hear about this....
RealityChecker
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Jan 8 @ 6:46 PM ET
There's a video of people entering the side door as police politely welcome them in.

They just Let them in.

Not, breaking in, they were let in. The blood is on their hands, but we won't hear about this....

- Pres.cup


but also
Pres.cup
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Jan 8 @ 8:51 PM ET

but also

- RealityChecker




Someone gave an order to stand down.
#falseflag ?
NewYorkNuck
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Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Jan 8 @ 11:36 PM ET


Someone gave an order to stand down.
#falseflag ?

- Pres.cup


I think it's a mix of incompetence, insanely poor planning/training, and some racism. Why weren't the National Guard deployed for this, knowing the months leading up to this moment, but for the BLM protests there were cops and helicopters everywhere... let alone the amount of push back both peaceful and violent protestors got during the BLM.

The cops letting people in this is a huge issue on the left. Why the (frank) did the police just leave their post, or let them in, or take selfies with them?

Why were the National Guard deployed during the BLM protests but not during this? Why were there so few cops stationed there after months of rhetoric?

There's a lot of questions surrounding this. I don't think it's as easy as a simple conspiracy.
NewYorkNuck
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Jan 8 @ 11:49 PM ET
Good video from the BBC on the BLM versus Jan 6 policing/response: https://www.bbc.com/news/.../world-us-canada-55596518
Pres.cup
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Jan 8 @ 11:52 PM ET
I think it's a mix of incompetence, insanely poor planning/training, and some racism. Why weren't the National Guard deployed for this, knowing the months leading up to this moment, but for the BLM protests there were cops and helicopters everywhere... let alone the amount of push back both peaceful and violent protestors got during the BLM.

The cops letting people in this is a huge issue on the left. Why the (frank) did the police just leave their post, or let them in, or take selfies with them?

Why were the National Guard deployed during the BLM protests but not during this? Why were there so few cops stationed there after months of rhetoric?

There's a lot of questions surrounding this. I don't think it's as easy as a simple conspiracy.

- NewYorkNuck


Incompetence.....

They also weren't as violent towards the police as the blm protests. Don't believe me, watch some video, cops standing their talking to them, letting them in.... the building didn't get burned to the ground.
The cops are partial to this, this being the fact that the protesters got in.
Pres.cup
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Jan 8 @ 11:56 PM ET
Good video from the BBC on the BLM versus Jan 6 policing/response: https://www.bbc.com/news/.../world-us-canada-55596518
- NewYorkNuck


Peaceful entry... looks like someone opened the gates from the inside.... for all the talk about it being an attempted coup... the footage that I have seen makes that look like rhetoric.

Still gross, 2 protesters died. That one lady got might have gotten set up, someone told them to move, 5 seconds later, shoot fired.
belcherbd
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Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jan 9 @ 2:30 AM ET
They received the orders from George Soros.

This whole thing was a false flag joint operation between Antifa, BLM, the deep state, Soros, Nancy Pelosi, the Clintons and the Girl Guides.

Wake up and smell the gay frogs, you sheep!

- RealityChecker


More importantly why isn't anyone talking about white people being unfairly called Nazis?
NewYorkNuck
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Joined: 07.11.2015

Jan 9 @ 8:09 AM ET
Incompetence.....

They also weren't as violent towards the police as the blm protests. Don't believe me, watch some video, cops standing their talking to them, letting them in.... the building didn't get burned to the ground.
The cops are partial to this, this being the fact that the protesters got in.

- Pres.cup


Peaceful entry... looks like someone opened the gates from the inside.... for all the talk about it being an attempted coup... the footage that I have seen makes that look like rhetoric.

Still gross, 2 protesters died. That one lady got might have gotten set up, someone told them to move, 5 seconds later, shoot fired.

- Pres.cup


Footage from the inside that shows how "peaceful" they were. The incompetence of not betting preparing for this (in comparison to the BLM protests in the same city) led to the police that were there being overwhelmed and leaving their posts:

https://www.youtube.com/w...42536IhE&bpctr=1610199199

It seems like you have a conspiracy tinge to your notion. That lady didn't get set up, there are videos that show leading up to a during the video what actually happened – they were trying to break in to where people were being sheltered in place, the guards in front of the door left because of the massive amount of people in front of them, and when she tried to climb through a window she was shot (after someone had pointed out a gun):

https://www.youtube.com/w...oThRuMVs&bpctr=1610200880

As well, they were in parts equally as violent. You think if the BLM people were hitting, pushing, and throwing things at the cops there wouldn't have been more tear gas, rubber bullets, and batons being swung? Cop cars literally rammed into people here in NYC for non-violently protesting.
bloatedmosquito
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Jan 9 @ 12:14 PM ET
Footage from the inside that shows how "peaceful" they were. The incompetence of not betting preparing for this (in comparison to the BLM protests in the same city) led to the police that were there being overwhelmed and leaving their posts:

https://www.youtube.com/w...42536IhE&bpctr=1610199199

It seems like you have a conspiracy tinge to your notion. That lady didn't get set up, there are videos that show leading up to a during the video what actually happened – they were trying to break in to where people were being sheltered in place, the guards in front of the door left because of the massive amount of people in front of them, and when she tried to climb through a window she was shot (after someone had pointed out a gun):

https://www.youtube.com/w...oThRuMVs&bpctr=1610200880

As well, they were in parts equally as violent. You think if the BLM people were hitting, pushing, and throwing things at the cops there wouldn't have been more tear gas, rubber bullets, and batons being swung? Cop cars literally rammed into people here in NYC for non-violently protesting.

- NewYorkNuck


Pres.cup
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Joined: 12.23.2014

Jan 9 @ 12:44 PM ET
Footage from the inside that shows how "peaceful" they were. The incompetence of not betting preparing for this (in comparison to the BLM protests in the same city) led to the police that were there being overwhelmed and leaving their posts:

https://www.youtube.com/w...42536IhE&bpctr=1610199199

It seems like you have a conspiracy tinge to your notion. That lady didn't get set up, there are videos that show leading up to a during the video what actually happened – they were trying to break in to where people were being sheltered in place, the guards in front of the door left because of the massive amount of people in front of them, and when she tried to climb through a window she was shot (after someone had pointed out a gun):

https://www.youtube.com/w...oThRuMVs&bpctr=1610200880

As well, they were in parts equally as violent. You think if the BLM people were hitting, pushing, and throwing things at the cops there wouldn't have been more tear gas, rubber bullets, and batons being swung? Cop cars literally rammed into people here in NYC for non-violently protesting.

- NewYorkNuck


Careful throwing around words like narrative... lol

The cops who moved before she was shot didn't leave, watch the video, they just moved off to the side..... that's where they were when she was shot.

Not conspiracy to suggest that the cops were told to move, that's how they work, following orders. The first shot should have happened earlier and been high....
In that note, why did the cops open the side door and let them into the building? Who opened the gate, looked like a cop to me...
NewYorkNuck
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Jan 9 @ 1:13 PM ET
Careful throwing around words like narrative... lol

The cops who moved before she was shot didn't leave, watch the video, they just moved off to the side..... that's where they were when she was shot.

Not conspiracy to suggest that the cops were told to move, that's how they work, following orders. The first shot should have happened earlier and been high....
In that note, why did the cops open the side door and let them into the building? Who opened the gate, looked like a cop to me...

- Pres.cup


I haven't been able to find the video I saw yesterday, but basically the protestors were shouting at them to move or be removed. They moved – following orders or not, but they left their guard in front of that door.

I just think it's misguided to ascribe the questionable/suspicious police activity as "rhetoric" to undermine the idea that it was "attempted coup" (taking from your earlier post). I don't think it was neccessarily a coup, but it wasn't a false flag attack. There were people there with pipe bombs and firearms, and the photo of the guy who had a stack of zip tie handcuffs is scary – definitely premeditated.

Until you know why the police opened some doors (and it times it did look like that, I'm very very far from defending the actions of the police/security/forethought of this), you can't really put it down one way or another.

An equally realistic notion was that some members of the police sympathized with and wanted the protestors in there, so they opened doors. In the videos I've seen of those door opening cops they sure looked white
Pres.cup
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Jan 9 @ 2:22 PM ET
I haven't been able to find the video I saw yesterday, but basically the protestors were shouting at them to move or be removed. They moved – following orders or not, but they left their guard in front of that door.

I just think it's misguided to ascribe the questionable/suspicious police activity as "rhetoric" to undermine the idea that it was "attempted coup" (taking from your earlier post). I don't think it was neccessarily a coup, but it wasn't a false flag attack. There were people there with pipe bombs and firearms, and the photo of the guy who had a stack of zip tie handcuffs is scary – definitely premeditated.

Until you know why the police opened some doors (and it times it did look like that, I'm very very far from defending the actions of the police/security/forethought of this), you can't really put it down one way or another.

An equally realistic notion was that some members of the police sympathized with and wanted the protestors in there, so they opened doors. In the videos I've seen of those door opening cops they sure looked white

- NewYorkNuck


Racism is real.

I would say it's an much a coup as it was a false flag. Neither.

I will also say that people are definitely taking advantage of the situation and pushing the "coup" angle to further their own political agenda, nothing new there though.

I could see the shooter telling his comrades to "move, I'm going to fire" and they decided to move.

The fact that they didn't secure the building despite weeks notice that this was gonna happen is troubling, either it was allowed to get out of hand to further someone's interest or it was an act of unintentional incompetence. Either way heads should roll, and not just MAGA heads.
NewYorkNuck
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Joined: 07.11.2015

Jan 9 @ 5:23 PM ET
Racism is real.

I would say it's an much a coup as it was a false flag. Neither.

I will also say that people are definitely taking advantage of the situation and pushing the "coup" angle to further their own political agenda, nothing new there though.

I could see the shooter telling his comrades to "move, I'm going to fire" and they decided to move.

The fact that they didn't secure the building despite weeks notice that this was gonna happen is troubling, either it was allowed to get out of hand to further someone's interest or it was an act of unintentional incompetence. Either way heads should roll, and not just MAGA heads.

- Pres.cup


Agreed. For whatever caused it, the optics and the outcome were both horrific.

I hope Trump gets impeached – not that it's going to do anything now, but just not having to think about him running again in 4 years is a relief. The Republican party can move forward and past him in that time too. It's better for everyone.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
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Jan 10 @ 6:42 PM ET
They received the orders from George Soros.

This whole thing was a false flag joint operation between Antifa, BLM, the deep state, Soros, Nancy Pelosi, the Clintons and the Girl Guides.

Wake up and smell the gay frogs, you sheep!

- RealityChecker

Makita
Referee
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Joined: 02.16.2007

Jan 11 @ 7:42 PM ET
They received the orders from George Soros.

This whole thing was a false flag joint operation between Antifa, BLM, the deep state, Soros, Nancy Pelosi, the Clintons and the Girl Guides.

Wake up and smell the gay frogs, you sheep!

- RealityChecker

https://nyegop.org/2021/0...letter-from-the-chairman/

and there it is, I predict there will be armed mobs at several state capital building on Jan 20.
bloatedmosquito
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Jan 12 @ 2:07 AM ET
https://nyegop.org/2021/01/10/a-letter-from-the-chairman/

and there it is, I predict there will be armed mobs at several state capital building on Jan 20.

- Makita


Wow.
NewYorkNuck
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Jan 12 @ 10:01 AM ET
https://nyegop.org/2021/01/10/a-letter-from-the-chairman/

and there it is, I predict there will be armed mobs at several state capital building on Jan 20.

- Makita


What in the actual fuck. This is so crazy. So reminiscent of Hitler's rise or Senator Palpatine's rise... "his treason is now complete".

It's scary and funny and heartbreaking and anxiety-producing all at one time.
NewYorkNuck
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Jan 12 @ 10:04 AM ET
@Pres.cup

Seems a good number of the Capitol police are under investigation/being let go:

https://www.washingtonpos...1-5b162d0d033d_story.html

https://www.independent.c...-trump-riot-b1785745.html

One of those who action has been taken against is the officer who was caught on video posing for a selfie picture with a rioter as they stormed the Capitol Building.

And the other is an officer who put on a MAGA hat and directed rioters around the building, according to Ohio congressman Tim Ryan, who sits on the committee that funds the Capitol police.
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