EVEN (frank)ING BETTER!!!!!!!

Thanks.
- Tonybere[wonders what is happening June 28 ]

that's when free agents can start talking to teams

What happens if my Richard falls off?

We are discussing when Kreider would be worth the most with everything being equal. Its clearly the tdl
- mdw7413

More teams believe they have a shot at being a playoff team at the draft then they do at the TDL.

More teams believe they have a shot at being a playoff team at the draft then they do at the TDL.
- tomburton99

But at the tdl its a smaller pool with teams fighting for the best players

that's when free agents can start talking to teams
- jimbro83

Actually, I just realized that the 28th is the next gig for the band!!

What happens if my Richard falls off?

We are discussing when Kreider would be worth the most with everything being equal. Its clearly the tdl
- mdw7413

Even though Tom might be trolling, I think he might be right in this case. It doesn't even have to do with what ifs, it could do with the fact that the team that gets him would have a full season to integrate him in the lineup and if he doesn't pan out like Hayes in the Peg, they could flip him again. The only reason Kreider would be higher at the TDL is if you think there would be a bidding war. I haven't gone over every potential TDL target for the whole league, but if Hall decides he wants out of NJ, Kreider could become an after thought then.

Even though Tom might be trolling, I think he might be right in this case. It doesn't even have to do with what ifs, it could do with the fact that the team that gets him would have a full season to integrate him in the lineup and if he doesn't pan out like Hayes in the Peg, they could flip him again. The only reason Kreider would be higher at the TDL is if you think there would be a bidding war. I haven't gone over every potential TDL target for the whole league, but if Hall decides he wants out of NJ, Kreider could become an after thought then.
- 2sticks1puck

I'm not trolling at all. "All things being equal" isn't something that is possible. Kreider has a 11 team NTC. Trade him to a team that wants him now, especially if they want to discuss extension.

Even though Tom might be trolling, I think he might be right in this case. It doesn't even have to do with what ifs, it could do with the fact that the team that gets him would have a full season to integrate him in the lineup and if he doesn't pan out like Hayes in the Peg, they could flip him again. The only reason Kreider would be higher at the TDL is if you think there would be a bidding war. I haven't gone over every potential TDL target for the whole league, but if Hall decides he wants out of NJ, Kreider could become an after thought then.
- 2sticks1puck

Hayes never would have got what we did at the TDL at the draft last year. imo

I will maintain with up coming UFA's, unless they are superstars you get more at the tdl

I'm not trolling at all. "All things being equal" isn't something that is possible. Kreider has a 11 team NTC. Trade him to a team that wants him now, especially if they want to discuss extension.
- tomburton99

Wut??

You did a whole bunch of "whatifs" What if Kreider scored 60 goals by the tdl.. its a stupid what if game. So you have to go by averages

Friday June 21, 2019 NHL Draft Day
Literally the longest day of the year ------ summer solsice

Perhaps, and I'm just spitballing this here, it's because we have explored EVERY conceivable combination of trade possibilities (and impossibilities).
June 28 can't come soon enough!!!
- Tonybere

I know. Waiting is the hardest part

Hayes never would have got what we did at the TDL at the draft last year. imo

I will maintain with up coming UFA's, unless they are superstars you get more at the tdl
- mdw7413

I think to some extent Hayes was a special case. I think in that case, we knew that the two main targets were Duchense, Stone, and potentially Bob/Panarin. We also knew that both franchises were asking the moon for everyone. I think as the best of the secondary options, Zucc and Hayes benefited from that as getting premium value for them seemed cheaper relative to the first tier guys. If such a scenario could happen again, then waiting to the TDL helps.

Conversely, I'd be worried if there are a bunch of guys that are similar to Kreider at the TDL. I pulled up the potential UFAs for next year. Obviously Hall would be above Kreider, but Galchenyuk and Hoffman are two guys that might get flipped that are somewhat comparable. In this case, it's possible those teams undercut what the Rangers want and suppress his value.

Even though Tom might be trolling, I think he might be right in this case. It doesn't even have to do with what ifs, it could do with the fact that the team that gets him would have a full season to integrate him in the lineup and if he doesn't pan out like Hayes in the Peg, they could flip him again. The only reason Kreider would be higher at the TDL is if you think there would be a bidding war. I haven't gone over every potential TDL target for the whole league, but if Hall decides he wants out of NJ, Kreider could become an after thought then.
- 2sticks1puck

I honestly only use Edmonton because they have to make the playoffs. And they have the pick I want for Zegras

I'm not trolling at all. "All things being equal" isn't something that is possible. Kreider has a 11 team NTC. Trade him to a team that wants him now, especially if they want to discuss extension.
- tomburton99

God damn it I didn’t even realize that. Fkin hate clauses

My daughter just came home from school and she was talking about a new product from Nestle that debuted today.

I KID YOU NOT!!!

Chocolate candy bar milk! Snickers and Twix are the first 2 flavors to come out!!!

Wut??

You did a whole bunch of "whatifs" What if Kreider scored 60 goals by the tdl.. its a stupid what if game. So you have to go by averages
- mdw7413

Then he'd be worth more at the TDL.

Then he'd be worth more at the TDL.
- tomburton99

Forget it you aren't understanding.

Forget it you aren't understanding.
- mdw7413

He has a 11 team NTC. At the draft all 20 teams might be interested in at least disucssing a trade for Kreider. During the season some of those teams more than likely won't be in the playoff hyunt by the TDL. You're cutting out some of the bidders just by waiting. Not to mention put yourself at risk because the return might not be what you want.

I think to some extent Hayes was a special case. I think in that case, we knew that the two main targets were Duchense, Stone, and potentially Bob/Panarin. We also knew that both franchises were asking the moon for everyone. I think as the best of the secondary options, Zucc and Hayes benefited from that as getting premium value for them seemed cheaper relative to the first tier guys. If such a scenario could happen again, then waiting to the TDL helps.

Conversely, I'd be worried if there are a bunch of guys that are similar to Kreider at the TDL. I pulled up the potential UFAs for next year. Obviously Hall would be above Kreider, but Galchenyuk and Hoffman are two guys that might get flipped that are somewhat comparable. In this case, it's possible those teams undercut what the Rangers want and suppress his value.
- 2sticks1puck

Sure a diluted market hurts but look at some of the ridiculous trades that have gone down at the TDL. I would say a team is way more likely to give a 1st away if they think that player could help to get a cup then at the draft. Teams go into panic mode at the TDL.

I don't know how to look it up or even if its listed but would love to see what a pending ufa's got at the draft compared to what they get at the tdl.

He has a 11 team NTC. At the draft all 20 teams might be interested in at least disucssing a trade for Kreider. During the season some of those teams more than likely won't be in the playoff hyunt by the TDL. You're cutting out some of the bidders just by waiting. Not to mention put yourself at risk because the return might not be what you want.
- tomburton99

All valid points, but, would you not agree that historically the tdl is when you can get a much better offer for a pending ufa.

Sure a diluted market hurts but look at some of the ridiculous trades that have gone down at the TDL. I would say a team is way more likely to give a 1st away if they think that player could help to get a cup then at the draft. Teams go into panic mode at the TDL.

I don't know how to look it up or even if its listed but would love to see what a pending ufa's got at the draft compared to what they get at the tdl.
- mdw7413

Returns are normally higher at the TDL in recent memory.

All valid points, but, would you not agree that historically the tdl is when you can get a much better offer for a pending ufa.
- mdw7413

Agreed. We wait.

Sure a diluted market hurts but look at some of the ridiculous trades that have gone down at the TDL. I would say a team is way more likely to give a 1st away if they think that player could help to get a cup then at the draft. Teams go into panic mode at the TDL.

I don't know how to look it up or even if its listed but would love to see what a pending ufa's got at the draft compared to what they get at the tdl.
- mdw7413

https://bleacherreport.co...-at-past-draft-day-trades

LOL at Pavol Demetria trade

He has a 11 team NTC. At the draft all 20 teams might be interested in at least disucssing a trade for Kreider. During the season some of those teams more than likely won't be in the playoff hyunt by the TDL. You're cutting out some of the bidders just by waiting. Not to mention put yourself at risk because the return might not be what you want.
- tomburton99

For arguments sake, suppose Kreider could be talked into Edmonton (I’d assume that team is a no) and play the year there with McDavid, he could score 40 easily then get seriously payed as a UFA. I think that part would be less of a problem then actually agreeing on particulars in a trade.

Give them Georgy or Hajek (reluctantly) or someone else too, but no way would it need to be Kravtsov for example. That’s crazy

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/28103-nhl-draft-history-a-look-at-past-draft-day-trades

LOL at Pavol Demetria trade
- 2sticks1puck

Only shows a few years. Don't forget about the Schneider trade :D

All valid points, but, would you not agree that historically the tdl is when you can get a much better offer for a pending ufa.
- mdw7413

I agree but I want Zegras mfer lol