He got 70pts bc he was in the 1C role with Ottawa

He would NOT be in that role here

His points will drop back down to 60ish bc he will be the 2C
And he will not be getting those same opportunities
Or be playing with Mark Stone on his wing

Duchene on buffalo is a 20-25goal scorer,
with 60ish points
- jdfitz77

you don't think he would roll 2 lines, like the pens did with crosby and malkin?


I certainly think they would and your closer to 80 points a year if olofsson and/or nylander pan out and casey is moved to the wing



casey-eichel-nylander
olofsson-duchene-reinhart


or


skinner-eichel-reinhart
sheary/olofsson-casey-okposo/nylander

thought you had to take a few penalties if you had grit

I kid


duchene at 10 per and no assets moved IMO would be better then moving assets to get karlsson and lock him up in the 6 to 7 mil range

unless vegas wants okposo
- homiedclown

🙂

It's funny you say that, that was my knock on ror. How hard can you be playing to win, a have 2 penalties all season.


What I should have said is ror is a working the cycle, dow low guy

True grit comes with pims

Moving towards a playoff spot should and will not include Casey Nelson as a regular nhl starting player
- Boss34

So could Mitts with those 2
And we won’t have to pay him 10mil per
- jdfitz77

I don't know about that... I hope Mitts does turn into that... I would just rather pay someone right now who has all ready produced...

I like Trouba, wouldn’t move 7OA for him though. 7OA is pretty untouchable if you ask me unless a team is looking to move an absolute stud in the 21-24 YO range which is highly unlikely.

And Karlsson is actually GOOD defensively
And will cost around 3mil less per season

It’s a no brainer IF we could trade for him
- jdfitz77

give up casey and our second first rounder


that's about what the price will be


or samuelson, nylander and a second rd pick

🙂

It's funny you say that, that was my knock on ror. How hard can you be playing to win, a have 2 penalties all season.


What I should have said is ror is a working the cycle, dow low guy

True grit comes with pims
- Boss34

damn you, I have work to do



more to come later on

- washedup20

His name is spelled differently

His name is spelled differently
- Boss34

Just another player who couldn’t make it eh

Same board who I’ll be laughing at when he’s a 40-45 point centre in a year and a half and still making $7.5M a year.
- Pegullaville

Me as well....

Ok I was disappointed in Mitts’ production this year as well but the trade proposals I’m seeing to get rid of him are too much.

That position is filled.


Are we ready to order now folks.
- SABRES 89

I still need a minute to look at the menu......

Ok I was disappointed in Mitts’ production this year as well but the trade proposals I’m seeing to get rid of him are too much.
- Pegullaville

There's a fundamental difference between getting rid of someone and giving to get.

It's not CM for two 2nds and a 3rd

Most of them are CM for someone better than CM

They want to keep him, they are talking about moving out a few other to keep him long term.
- SABRES 89

Please for the love of everything holy Buffalo, pry Tuch out of Vegas.

Please for the love of everything holy Buffalo, pry Tuch out of Vegas.
- dadeadhead

I like this idea a lot.

I like this idea a lot.
- TheHank

Same, but why would they move him. He's great

Ok I was disappointed in Mitts’ production this year as well but the trade proposals I’m seeing to get rid of him are too much.
- Pegullaville

Wait people want to get rid of him?

I know he's not exactly lighting it up but the dude doesn't turn 21 until November.

After he gains about 30 lbs. because he's not a 2nd line center. I would have no problem including him in any deal to make this team better.
- SABRES 89

There's a fundamental difference between getting rid of someone and giving to get.

It's not CM for two 2nds and a 3rd

Most of them are CM for someone better than CM
- Sabresfan-365

Problem there is we don't know how good Mitts will be. Showed flashes of brilliance. He got loads better defensively as the year went along, and his offense started catching up by the end. IMHO, it's too early to move on from him unless someone is willing to overvalue him. Getting even value for a guy Draft + 2 how looked like a potential steal and possibly the best player in the draft is a little early. Moving him for WK is an upgrade now, will it be in 3/4 years, and what else does it require to get him? Also, Botts first pick prolly has to royally (frank) up to be moved at all. Just saying

Problem there is we don't know how good Mitts will be. Showed flashes of brilliance. He got loads better defensively as the year went along, and his offense started catching up by the end. IMHO, it's too early to move on from him unless someone is willing to overvalue him. Getting even value for a guy Draft + 2 how looked like a potential steal and possibly the best player in the draft is a little early. Moving him for WK is an upgrade now, will it be in 3/4 years, and what else does it require to get him? Also, Botts first pick prolly has to royally (frank) up to be moved at all. Just saying
- SDSabre

I don't disagree. Im not saying they should or shouldn't move him, just that its not "getting rid" of him.

Really comes down to what they think his ceiling is.

Same, but why would they move him. He's great
- Sabresfan-365

They have sever cap issues and pretty sure someone mentioned a while back he could be available.

IMO, it’d make losing Skinner far less painful.

They have sever cap issues and pretty sure someone mentioned a while back he could be available.

IMO, it’d make losing Skinner far less painful.
- dadeadhead

I haven't read anything about it, he's the kind of player you keep. Move other instead. unless they're nuts

Just another player who couldn’t make it eh
- washedup20

I liked Chad ruhwedel.

He wasn't the biggest p*ssy in the nhl .

I like frindge players too.

Just not spineless dudes who stand by and watch the franchise player get his face ripped off.

Then he tries to validate that , by getting his ass kicked trying to defend himself a couple games later

Trouba, Trouba, Trouba.

I do not know why or why not. I cannot get behind trading the potential of the 7 OA for Please enlighten, if you will.

424 36 158 194 -143
408 42 137 179 +37

While the +/- is a function of team, more than the individual, aren't the two players represented by the numbers above, similar?

I would argue Trouba would be a -143 on the Sabres. I do not see the upgrade with him over Risto. Someone with a PhD in analytics will tell me I am a fool but, I am not sure I am.

Perhaps another case of "Get Rid Of {insert name here}.
- TC4145

I'll condense the argument:

Recent 7th overall picks:

Kadri
Scheifele
Skinner
Andersson
Provorov
Keller
Dumba
H. Fleury
Nurse

Depending on your point of view, Trouba is at least as good as many of these guys, and is better than some. He turned 25 two months ago, and would balance our d pairs, while allowing us to safely move Risto for much-needed forward help. He is more stable defensively than Risto, and more suited to a partnership with Dahlin than Risto or Montour. His addition, plus the return for Risto, coupled with smart signings and the development of young players means that we'd have a good team. My perfect off-season looks like this

To TBL - Risto, Blues 2021 2nd
To Buf - Callahan, Cirelli

To WPG - 7oa
To But - Trouba

To Dallas - Scandella
To Buf - 5th round pick

Sign: Skinner, Hayes, Dzingel

Skinner-Eichel-Reinhart
Olofsson-Hayes-Dzingel
Cirelli/Mitts-Mitts/Cirelli-Okposo
Sheary-Erod-Callahan
Asplund
Sobotka

Dahlin-Trouba
McCabe-Montour
Pilut-Bogo
Hunwick

Still have next year's 1st and pick #30. I think it would be a decent team

VGK could just move 2 of Eakin, Holden, Karlsson (or maybe all 3) and it'd solve their problems.