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Paul McCann
Nashville Predators
Location: Nolensville, TN
Joined: 09.15.2005

May 17 @ 9:00 PM ET
Paul McCann: A Reasonable Proposal on Replay
Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

May 17 @ 9:59 PM ET
a missed hand pass (maybe) that led to a game winning goal.


Maybe? You lose all credibility if you can watch that play and claim it was only "maybe" a hand pass. You either don't know the rules, or are so incredibly biased because Blues are a divisional opponent that you shouldn't be commenting on the situation at all.
doublechili
New York Islanders
Joined: 02.17.2019

May 17 @ 11:02 PM ET
"I still remember Leon Stickle’s blown offside call in the 1980 Final that cost the Flyers their third cup."

Too much of a leap to say that bad call cost the Flyers a Cup. The call led to an Isles' goal in the 2nd period. At the end of that period the Isles were ahead 4-2 and then sat on the lead in the 3rd period and the Flyers tied it up (I was at the game and it was obvious they sat back and were just trying to hold the lead in the 3rd). Then the Isles won in OT. Too many dots to connect to say but for that call the Flyers would have won that game (and then game 7 to win the Cup).

BTW, the way that Flyers' team played, if there were video review back then they might not have won either of the first two Cups!
Izzo
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 12.20.2018

May 18 @ 1:28 AM ET
Maybe? You lose all credibility if you can watch that play and claim it was only "maybe" a hand pass. You either don't know the rules, or are so incredibly biased because Blues are a divisional opponent that you shouldn't be commenting on the situation at all.
- Antilles


Along the lines of what I was thinking. I'm not sure how one can produce something reasonable if the ability to reason isn't in the toolbox to begin with.
PredManDan
Nashville Predators
Location: TN
Joined: 10.24.2014

May 18 @ 10:34 AM ET
I think it's come to the time where using instant replay should end. It slows the game down and we still end up with controversies because a certain play is unreviewable. What have we gained? Goal tender interference is interpreted differently depending on who is wearing the stripes for that game. Penalties are called as a reaction to end result of the act instead of the act itself. Offsides is called on a blurry still frame that still leaves it open for discussion. The refs are going to miss calls, with or without replay. I say drop it all together.
jockitch
Joined: 04.22.2010

May 18 @ 10:35 AM ET
Well Paul....you consistently write blogs that contain no logic but do contain complete stupidity! You've reached a new level here! Maybe you can get away with your nonsense because....well you are in Nashville, and most people there don't understand the sport....you included! In your twisted logic, how is the hand pass in this case even questionable???? Watch the fricken' replay...multiple angles....clear as day! This just clearly demonstrates your lack of knowledge and comprehension of the sport. Maybe all of your loudmouth screaming as the PA announcer has impacted your ability to reason....don't know....but please enlighten us! Look, I don't like the Blues either, but they were robbed....not the way to lose a critical playoff game!

BTW....quit complaining about others whining when you are the poster child for complaining.

Let me ask you this......what if this happened to Nashville? You would be wetting your pants crying and screaming...

Again....you've reached new heights with this ignorant post.
PredManDan
Nashville Predators
Location: TN
Joined: 10.24.2014

May 18 @ 3:27 PM ET
Well Paul....you consistently write blogs that contain no logic but do contain complete stupidity! You've reached a new level here! Maybe you can get away with your nonsense because....well you are in Nashville, and most people there don't understand the sport....you included! In your twisted logic, how is the hand pass in this case even questionable???? Watch the fricken' replay...multiple angles....clear as day! This just clearly demonstrates your lack of knowledge and comprehension of the sport. Maybe all of your loudmouth screaming as the PA announcer has impacted your ability to reason....don't know....but please enlighten us! Look, I don't like the Blues either, but they were robbed....not the way to lose a critical playoff game!

BTW....quit complaining about others whining when you are the poster child for complaining.

Let me ask you this......what if this happened to Nashville? You would be wetting your pants crying and screaming...

Again....you've reached new heights with this ignorant post.

- jockitch


If you read his blog, you would have seen where this has happened to the Preds. Game 1 of the cup finals against the Pens. Was Forsberg offsides or not? the screen shot they continuously showed was very blurry. You couldn't tell if his foot was on the ice or not. But the goal was disallowed and the Preds were screwed.
FoxMulder
Nashville Predators
Location: Christiana, TN
Joined: 02.26.2018

May 19 @ 1:14 PM ET
I think it's come to the time where using instant replay should end. It slows the game down and we still end up with controversies because a certain play is unreviewable. What have we gained? Goal tender interference is interpreted differently depending on who is wearing the stripes for that game. Penalties are called as a reaction to end result of the act instead of the act itself. Offsides is called on a blurry still frame that still leaves it open for discussion. The refs are going to miss calls, with or without replay. I say drop it all together.
- PredManDan


I second that emotion.
blueline
Nashville Predators
Location: Old Hickory, TN
Joined: 07.22.2007

May 19 @ 1:50 PM ET
I second that emotion.
- FoxMulder

Just say no to replays, most if not all of them. And definitely don't add more! Where will it end otherwise? If the league keeps this up they will eventually ruin the game or do even more harm than has already been done.

Excellent take on all of this in a short Larry Brooks article in the New York Post from yesterday. Puts the final blame where it needs to be - at the top of the NHL with Campbell and Walkom and their referee and refereeing mismanagement. The article makes perfect sense to me which is why the deadbeats running the league will choose to ignore the obvious.

If one is on the fence regarding replays in the NHL, this might put you on the right path.

https://nypost.com/2019/0...ix-and-its-being-ignored/
FoxMulder
Nashville Predators
Location: Christiana, TN
Joined: 02.26.2018

May 19 @ 1:54 PM ET
Just say no to replays, most if not all of them. And definitely don't add more! Where will it end otherwise? If the league keeps this up they will eventually ruin the game or do even more harm than has already been done.

Excellent take on all of this in a short Larry Brooks article in the New York Post from yesterday. Puts the final blame where it needs to be - at the top of the NHL with Campbell and Walkom and their referee and refereeing mismanagement. The article makes perfect sense to me which is why the deadbeats running the league will choose to ignore the obvious.

If one is on the fence regarding replays in the NHL, this might put you on the right path.

https://nypost.com/2019/0...ix-and-its-being-ignored/

- blueline


Best line of the article: "...you want to get them all right, and the only way to do that is by Zaprudering every one of them."

Zaprudering is exactly what replay has turned into. In every sport. Get rid of it.
Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

May 19 @ 2:09 PM ET
I think it's come to the time where using instant replay should end. It slows the game down
- PredManDan


So change the rules so that the next TV timeout is automatically taken during any review, instead of it always being first non-icing whistle after 14/9/4 minutes remaining.

and we still end up with controversies because a certain play is unreviewable. What have we gained?


The games are called more accurately.

Goal tender interference is interpreted differently depending on who is wearing the stripes for that game.


This is a reason to have instant replay, just have on referee in Toronto rule every time.

Penalties are called as a reaction to end result of the act instead of the act itself.


This has nothing to do with instant replay.

Offsides is called on a blurry still frame that still leaves it open for discussion.


The image you look at on a broadcast is not the same quality of image the linesman get. If they don't have a clear picture, call on ice stands according the to the rules.

The refs are going to miss calls, with or without replay. I say drop it all together.


So if we can't have perfect officiating, we shouldn't take advantage of the option to have better officiating? Your argument is the equivalent of saying "There are places where smart phones don't get any data coverage; we should get rid of them and just go back to using landlines."
blueline
Nashville Predators
Location: Old Hickory, TN
Joined: 07.22.2007

May 19 @ 3:23 PM ET

- Antilles

Replays in the NHL are already borderline stupid. Going to Toronto for everything is even more stupid. More of the so-called instant replay will make it worse. Where does it all end? With the NHL in the sh!thole, that's where. I understand the quest for perfection but it's not going to happen. Don't know why you and others are not seeing that.

Did you read the Larry Brooks NYPost article? It might not change your mind but it does offer a different perspective and a woeful outcome should the review monster continue its malignant growth.
FoxMulder
Nashville Predators
Location: Christiana, TN
Joined: 02.26.2018

May 19 @ 4:13 PM ET
So change the rules so that the next TV timeout is automatically taken during any review, instead of it always being first non-icing whistle after 14/9/4 minutes remaining.



The games are called more accurately.



This is a reason to have instant replay, just have on referee in Toronto rule every time.



This has nothing to do with instant replay.



The image you look at on a broadcast is not the same quality of image the linesman get. If they don't have a clear picture, call on ice stands according the to the rules.



So if we can't have perfect officiating, we shouldn't take advantage of the option to have better officiating? Your argument is the equivalent of saying "There are places where smart phones don't get any data coverage; we should get rid of them and just go back to using landlines."

- Antilles


Wrong. We already have replay in certain circumstances and they still don't get it right. Perfection doesn't exist, and that includes the officials on the ice or replay. But, with officials, they make the call and it's over. With replay, all you're doing is disrupting the flow of the game and it's becoming unwatchable. Replay is a failed experiment. End it.
FoxMulder
Nashville Predators
Location: Christiana, TN
Joined: 02.26.2018

May 20 @ 3:53 PM ET
Ek's latest rumor: PK for Kessel.
Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

May 20 @ 4:08 PM ET
Wrong. We already have replay in certain circumstances and they still don't get it right. Perfection doesn't exist, and that includes the officials on the ice or replay. But, with officials, they make the call and it's over. With replay, all you're doing is disrupting the flow of the game and it's becoming unwatchable. Replay is a failed experiment. End it.
- FoxMulder


The ratings are higher than they've ever been. If you view the game as unwatchable, you're clearly in the minority.

And what flow exactly are you talking about? We already stop the game for a couple minutes 3 times a period. Sync one of those up with review, and you aren't changing anything about the flow of the game from the last 30 years.
Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

May 20 @ 4:28 PM ET
Replays in the NHL are already borderline stupid. Going to Toronto for everything is even more stupid. More of the so-called instant replay will make it worse. Where does it all end? With the NHL in the sh!thole, that's where. I understand the quest for perfection but it's not going to happen. Don't know why you and others are not seeing that.

Did you read the Larry Brooks NYPost article? It might not change your mind but it does offer a different perspective and a woeful outcome should the review monster continue its malignant growth.

- blueline


I read Brooks' article. He makes wild leaps in logic and ignores both how things work and how GM's have already suggested improving replay would work. Just a massive straw man argument. Penalties seen on a replay already don't get called. You have the rule say only stuff that happens as part of a continuous play leading to a goal is review-able. It doesn't take rocket science. Literally every objection he has there are pretty simple answers to. While his suggestion of firing the head of officiating isn't actually a solution at all. They've switched heads of officiating multiple times the last 20 years. It hasn't done anything to help.

The game is continually getting faster. Players are getting bigger. Which means it is going to continue to get harder and harder for officials to keep up with and see the game properly. So unless something is done, officiating is going to continue to get worse and worse as years go by. Just accepting that games are going to be poorly officiated seems ridiculous to me.
FoxMulder
Nashville Predators
Location: Christiana, TN
Joined: 02.26.2018

May 20 @ 4:30 PM ET
The ratings are higher than they've ever been. If you view the game as unwatchable, you're clearly in the minority.

And what flow exactly are you talking about? We already stop the game for a couple minutes 3 times a period. Sync one of those up with review, and you aren't changing anything about the flow of the game from the last 30 years.

- Antilles


Ratings indicate people watching, not the quality of what they're watching. What were the numbers on the Super Bowl this year? How was that game?

Fans are being conditioned to have to pause celebration because we know it's going to be reviewed, or could be. It's everywhere, in every sport, even horse racing. Yes, it does disrupt flow and creates a paranoia about every damn play.

2010: "What a goal! I want to see that on replay!"
2019: "They say it's a goal, but were they offside? Did anyone touch the goalie? Are they going to challenge it...I want to see that on replay."
blueline
Nashville Predators
Location: Old Hickory, TN
Joined: 07.22.2007

May 22 @ 12:48 PM ET
I read Brooks' article. He makes wild leaps in logic and ignores both how things work and how GM's have already suggested improving replay would work. J
- Antilles


Bingo. That was exactly his intent. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. Thirty-two (Seattle counts now) different GM's and the league honchos and their peanut gallery sycophants all blathering about the situation and, as large entities are wont to do, larding ever more rules and bureaucratic nonsense on the game. The purity and life is slowly but surely being sucked out. Have you not heard idiot pundit Pierre McGuire not-so-subtly caterwauling, whining and lobbying for more rules during the playoffs?

By the way, increased speed and size have no more to do with the officials' ability to call a game now than in the past.

More and better ref training and simpler, clearer rules would be a much better and more logical place to start.