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Todd Cordell
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.05.2011

May 22 @ 12:40 PM ET
Todd Cordell: On Jack Hughes' neutral zone play and Joonas Donskoi
JLO961
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MTL, QC
Joined: 01.16.2013

May 22 @ 1:13 PM ET
"Approximately 95% of Hughes' non-denied entries (carry-ins, pass-ins, or dump-ins) are controlled. That's not just how he plays against his peers, either. In the WHC games I've tracked (small sample, I know), he has only dumped the puck in once while recording 12 carry-ins and three pass-ins. That's ~1% below his average including all competitions.

Compare that to Kakko who, through nine games, has almost as many dump-ins (21) as carry-ins and pass-ins (26). His non-denied controlled entry percentage sits at 55% across all competitions, and ~53% through three tracked games at the Worlds".

This stuff is the reason he will go 1st overall...meanwhile Kakko will be the better choice.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 22 @ 2:02 PM ET
tracking dump-ins in world championship games

CardiffGiant
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 04.05.2018

May 22 @ 2:03 PM ET
Listening to Devils Daily and they brought up possible wingers to trade for and the name Alex Tuch came up. After looking at his stats, age, and the Knights cap situation I think he's the next Palmieri. He's got size, speed, and plays RW. He can be the perfect running-mate for Hughes. A 2nd line of Bratt-Hughes-Tuch would be awesome. I just wonder what the Devils would have to give up to get him.

Maybe the forward lines might look like.....

Hall-Hischier-Palmieri
Bratt-Hughes-Tuch
Boqvist-Zajac-Coleman
Agostino-Rooney-Bastian

Yeah. No Zacha, Wood, McLeod, and Anderson on the list. If Devils get Tuch someone has to get traded. To a lesser extent, Bratt and Bastian could also be traded for Tuch, but I think Bratt is part of the core. IF Bratt gets traded then it's Zacha on the LW.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

May 22 @ 2:12 PM ET
tracking dump-ins in world championship games
- jimbro83

does your brain just turn off anytime there is a mention of the word "stat"?
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 22 @ 2:14 PM ET
does your brain just turn off anytime there is a mention of the word "stat"?
- Pomegrant


I mean, Kakko literally dominating the tournament offensively, but dump-in's are the most important "stat"
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

May 22 @ 2:30 PM ET
Todd Cordell: On Jack Hughes' neutral zone play and Joonas Donskoi
- Todd.Cordell


A 3rd line of Coleman Zajac Donskoi would be a great line. Only problem is he would easily be our #2 RW. Very weak on that side. His only competition for #2RW would be Noesen, Stafford, and Gabriel which I consider fringe level NHL'ers.

We certainly could use a guy like Donskoi!!!
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

May 22 @ 2:36 PM ET
I mean, Kakko literally dominating the tournament offensively, but dump-in's are the most important "stat"
- jimbro83

So, yes your brain turns off. got it.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 22 @ 2:38 PM ET
So, yes your brain turns off. got it.
- Pomegrant


mocking advanced stats, does that mean it turns off? that's subject to debate
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

May 22 @ 3:35 PM ET
Todd Cordell: On Jack Hughes' neutral zone play and Joonas Donskoi
- Todd.Cordell

Great blog
devilspep
Joined: 07.12.2009

May 22 @ 4:21 PM ET
I mean, Kakko literally dominating the tournament offensively, but dump-in's are the most important "stat"
- jimbro83


He's been pretty quietly lately. What is it 4 games in a row without a point? I mean I'd love to have him or Hughes but he faded pretty quickly.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

May 22 @ 4:22 PM ET
"Approximately 95% of Hughes' non-denied entries (carry-ins, pass-ins, or dump-ins) are controlled. That's not just how he plays against his peers, either. In the WHC games I've tracked (small sample, I know), he has only dumped the puck in once while recording 12 carry-ins and three pass-ins. That's ~1% below his average including all competitions.

Compare that to Kakko who, through nine games, has almost as many dump-ins (21) as carry-ins and pass-ins (26). His non-denied controlled entry percentage sits at 55% across all competitions, and ~53% through three tracked games at the Worlds".

This stuff is the reason he will go 1st overall...meanwhile Kakko will be the better choice.

- JLO961


Certainly could be. But I also wonder how these guys will transition to the NHL. Nolan Patrick was clearly more of a physical force then Nico Hischier pre draft. He is still a lot stronger; but he doesn't seem to be as successful. I wonder if Kakko and Hughes are a lot like that. Except Hughes has been the clear favorite for a while and has put up much better numbers until this tournament. Granted they've been playing in different leagues against different competition but still....
devilspep
Joined: 07.12.2009

May 22 @ 4:28 PM ET
Certainly could be. But I also wonder how these guys will transition to the NHL. Nolan Patrick was clearly more of a physical force then Nico Hischier pre draft. He is still a lot stronger; but he doesn't seem to be as successful. I wonder if Kakko and Hughes are a lot like that. Except Hughes has been the clear favorite for a while and has put up much better numbers until this tournament. Granted they've been playing in different leagues against different competition but still....
- Queenie_5_hole


Kaako will be much better than Patrick I think but I go cross eyed every time someone says bUt BuT bUt Kaako HaS SiZe. Like that matters when you have guys like Gaudreau, Debrincat and Kane in the league.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

May 22 @ 4:34 PM ET
Kaako will be much better than Patrick I think but I go cross eyed every time someone says bUt BuT bUt Kaako HaS SiZe. Like that matters when you have guys like Gaudreau, Debrincat and Kane in the league.
- devilspep


My wife keeps telling me size matters and she knows little about hockey.
devilspep
Joined: 07.12.2009

May 22 @ 8:43 PM ET
My wife keeps telling me size matters and she knows little about hockey.
- Queenie_5_hole


Women like men who are Hughes
Blueshirts16
New York Rangers
Location: Rangers Sweep Icelanders...go , NY
Joined: 07.28.2009

May 22 @ 10:00 PM ET
It would be nuts for the Devils to not take Hughes
And the Ranger fans that are worried that the Devils will take Kakko while saying that Hughes is too small, etc...they’re friggin nuts. In my opinion, I’m happy to be a rangers fan in this spot because it’s a win win
Hughes will and deserves to go #1
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

May 23 @ 12:39 AM ET
So, yes your brain turns off. got it.
- Pomegrant

The answer is very much yes with that one. I've been told advanced stats aren't real. Like big foot and the loch ness monster.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

May 23 @ 12:49 AM ET
The answer is very much yes with that one. I've been told advanced stats aren't real. Like big foot and the loch ness monster.
- tomburton99

I guess they are embarrassed to say they don't understand what the stat means and just say advance stats are meaningless. I don't know.
thechezman
New Jersey Devils
Location: 9083103373, NJ
Joined: 04.24.2016

May 23 @ 1:09 AM ET
KAkko has a good 3 games in the tournament..after that he has 1 goal 1 assist with getting top line minutes in 3 games.

You can trade for scoring wingers.


To line centers with vision and speed you cannot...


thechezman
New Jersey Devils
Location: 9083103373, NJ
Joined: 04.24.2016

May 23 @ 1:14 AM ET
A 3rd line of Coleman Zajac Donskoi would be a great line. Only problem is he would easily be our #2 RW. Very weak on that side. His only competition for #2RW would be Noesen, Stafford, and Gabriel which I consider fringe level NHL'ers.

We certainly could use a guy like Donskoi!!!

- bikeguy99



RW
-----
Palmieri
Bratt -came up as a LW but has played RW all season
Coleman
Mcleod
Bastian
Anderson
JLO961
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MTL, QC
Joined: 01.16.2013

May 23 @ 8:54 AM ET
tracking dump-ins in world championship games


- jimbro83


no kidding! Math nerds tracking the stats of hockey stats is getting out of control.
JLO961
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MTL, QC
Joined: 01.16.2013

May 23 @ 8:58 AM ET
Certainly could be. But I also wonder how these guys will transition to the NHL. Nolan Patrick was clearly more of a physical force then Nico Hischier pre draft. He is still a lot stronger; but he doesn't seem to be as successful. I wonder if Kakko and Hughes are a lot like that. Except Hughes has been the clear favorite for a while and has put up much better numbers until this tournament. Granted they've been playing in different leagues against different competition but still....
- Queenie_5_hole


All good points. In my opinion Kakko is more of the "already turning into a man" category, while these guys are all still young boys. It actually reminds me a bit of that Dallas Stars kid..Nichushkin (Sp?)....who has not panned out well at all. To me, Kakko is the whole package...that's who I'd take.

Also, I think Vancouver should do pretty much whatever it takes to get this second Hughes brother. It would be great for the team and great for the league.

Crushers68
New Jersey Devils
Location: Hilton Head Island, SC
Joined: 02.17.2009

May 23 @ 10:24 AM ET
The answer is very much yes with that one. I've been told Rangers hopes of ever winning a cup again aren't real. Like big foot and the loch ness monster.
- tomburton99


Fixed it for you Tom
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

May 23 @ 10:32 AM ET
Fixed it for you Tom
- Crushers68

Also very true.
djsnippets
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 06.09.2017

May 23 @ 10:38 AM ET
All good points. In my opinion Kakko is more of the "already turning into a man" category, while these guys are all still young boys. It actually reminds me a bit of that Dallas Stars kid..Nichushkin (Sp?)....who has not panned out well at all. To me, Kakko is the whole package...that's who I'd take.

Also, I think Vancouver should do pretty much whatever it takes to get this second Hughes brother. It would be great for the team and great for the league.

- JLO961


Orrrrrrr the Devils should see what it takes to get Quinn from the 'Nucks
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