If it's Ghost, I'd probably do that. No way it's Provorov, he's nigh untouchable. Unless it's a McDavid/Matthews/etc. player coming back (sorry Laine), he's not getting involved in any deal.
- jmatchett383

I do find it interesting that fan bases around the NHL do not think as high of Laine as some do here in Winnipeg. This does fit with my ideas about him.

I do find it interesting that fan bases around the NHL do not think as high of Laine as some do here in Winnipeg. This does fit with my ideas about him.
- TheUltimateJet

We have that in giroux

I do find it interesting that fan bases around the NHL do not think as high of Laine as some do here in Winnipeg. This does fit with my ideas about him.
- TheUltimateJet

I think Laine is an extremely talented player. But Provorov, minus his hiccup last year, has been nationally touted as a potential future Norris winner. You don't trade those at age 21 unless a "generational talent" is coming back.

Erik Karlsson (granted, older and 1 year away from UFA status) is arguably the best offensive defenseman since Paul Coffey (or Orr, depending on how you look at it). When he was traded last offseason, the return was a bottom-6 forward, a bottom-4 defenseman, a late 1st, and a late 2nd. Now, I like Trouba a lot and think he's a legit top-pair RHD. But if you think he'll get a better return than Erik Karlsson, even with the age and one year away from UFA status, I would disagree.
- jmatchett383

Not comparable. Karlsson was a rental.

Not comparable. Karlsson was a rental.
- -Doh-

A full-season rental, yes. under contract for one year and then a UFA.
Currently, Trouba has no contract and there's no guarantee that he'll sign with the team that acquires him. That was not the case with EK.

A full-season rental, yes. under contract for one year and then a UFA.
Currently, Trouba has no contract and there's no guarantee that he'll sign with the team that acquires him. That was not the case with EK.
- jmatchett383

Full season rental then UFA vs current RFA with arbitration rights (with July 2020 UFA status). pretty big difference.

Full season rental then UFA vs current RFA with arbitration rights (with July 2020 UFA status). pretty big difference.
- -Doh-

Yep...just like William Nylander last year.

Also, while 1-year then UFA vs. RFA is a big difference, going from Karlsson to Trouba is also a big difference, and that's coming from a Trouba fan.

Yep...just like William Nylander last year.

Also, while 1-year then UFA vs. RFA is a big difference, going from Karlsson to Trouba is also a big difference, and that's coming from a Trouba fan.
- jmatchett383

Chevy has balls, Dumas caved. Any Wpg RFA with unrealistic demands will sit a year and lose a years paycheck rather than undermining the team with a ransom signing.

Chevy has balls, Dumas caved. Any Wpg RFA with unrealistic demands will sit a year and lose a years paycheck rather than undermining the team with a ransom signing.
- 2.0

I agree...if that's the case, why would a team want to give up multiple big-ticket assets for a player who may be willing to sit out, especially a player who has already held out for part of a season before?

He'd play in Toronto. It ain't Winterpeg
- RogerRoeper

You are right, it’s worse😆

Great debate on what might happen here but lets face it - other than a few nondescript free agent signings on July 1, Chevy isn't going to get anything done on Trouba or his RFAs until late August early September if we're lucky. While other teams are already getting things done (i.e. Isles) Chevy just seems way to cautious and plodding

Nylander looks good when he doesn't have to go into the corners.

Trouba - if I was him, this is the time to sign a long-term deal. If you sign a one-year deal to get to UFA status, who is to say that you don't get seriously hurt during the season (concussions ?) ? Take the $ 40-50 million now, even if it's not with the Jets.

I think as Jets fans we are going to be disappointing with the return for Trouba. According to Ken Wiebe, Trouba is saying that he's not going to sign anywhere long-term until he hits free agency.

I think a bigger deal will have to happen for us to recoup anything for Trouba. I do find it concerning that Ehlers has been in many trade rumors. I do believe that if it were not for Laine, Ehlers has the potential to become a 40/40 player, as he would take Laine's spot on the power play. I think making Laine the centerpiece to a deal with Trouba as a sweetener would be a good move.

For example:

To PHI: Patrik Laine, Jacob Trouba, and one of (Little or Perreault)

To WPG: Sean Couturier, Ivan Provorov, 2019 first round pick
- TheUltimateJet

No. I did pause for a moment, so you’re getting closer

Great debate on what might happen here but lets face it - other than a few nondescript free agent signings on July 1, Chevy isn't going to get anything done on Trouba or his RFAs until late August early September if we're lucky. While other teams are already getting things done (i.e. Isles) Chevy just seems way to cautious and plodding
- Dcdaddy

But shouldn't Chevy be fairly motivated to get something, anything, done rather quickly with Trouba? I would think that having this linger would make the already difficult contract & roster decisions that he's facing even more difficult.

That is, if you're not going to trade him, and just sign him to a 1 yr deal, that cap hit is still going to be pretty significant, which impacts the other deals he's working on. And if you're going to trade him for anything other than picks or prospects, then wouldn't he like to know the salaries of the players coming in sooner rather than later, as that too would impact the other negotiations?

The more I think about it, the more I will only accept a Nylander for Trouba deal.
It’s perfect for both teams.

I am going on reports from others on this board that speak about a divide between young and old players. Initially the thought was that Scheifele and Wheeler were not getting along, however it does appear that the rift could be between Byfuglien and Trouba.

I am a betting man. I bet if Byfuglien is moved, Trouba will sign a long-term contract with the Jets. The trade would essentially be Byfuglien for Trouba. This is all speculation and I making this guess based on what Trouba has talked about in the past, about playing the right side and not getting power play time. I will also note that Trouba is best friends with Copp. He also has a great relationship with my man Mark Scheifele.
- TheUltimateJet

Ultimate, I was commenting on your Ken Wiebe report re: Trouba going to UFA no matter what. Is their any confirmation for that? And what would the Jets response be? Low ball him? Threaten no power play time?
It seems like a gamble that is unnecessary for Trouba, unless he's just pissed at the Jets....

Chevy has balls, Dumas caved. Any Wpg RFA with unrealistic demands will sit a year and lose a years paycheck rather than undermining the team with a ransom signing.
- 2.0

👏 I think that's a strength of his....

But shouldn't Chevy be fairly motivated to get something, anything, done rather quickly with Trouba? I would think that having this linger would make the already difficult contract & roster decisions that he's facing even more difficult.

That is, if you're not going to trade him, and just sign him to a 1 yr deal, that cap hit is still going to be pretty significant, which impacts the other deals he's working on. And if you're going to trade him for anything other than picks or prospects, then wouldn't he like to know the salaries of the players coming in sooner rather than later, as that too would impact the other negotiations?
- Big_E_88

I agree he should be motivated but in previous situations like this it just seems like nothing gets done till the last minute

I agree...if that's the case, why would a team want to give up multiple big-ticket assets for a player who may be willing to sit out, especially a player who has already held out for part of a season before?
- jmatchett383

because the player doesn't want to miss out on 7m for a year's pay and ultimately won't sit out just to do it all over again the next year.

Ultimate, I was commenting on your Ken Wiebe report re: Trouba going to UFA no matter what. Is their any confirmation for that? And what would the Jets response be? Low ball him? Threaten no power play time?
It seems like a gamble that is unnecessary for Trouba, unless he's just pissed at the Jets....
- liverpoolnhl

There is no direct confirmation from the Trouba camp, it is something that is being reported by Ken Wiebe. He's pretty close with officials on the team and I will take his word as gospel.

If I am the GM, I try and get him moved ASAP or look more closely at the Buff situation. I also ask Trouba if he would sign long-term if Byfuglien is moved. I think we have a great team and having that cloud hang over the team is not good for the player, team and especially the fan base.

Just some Ultimate thoughts....

The more I think about it, the more I will only accept a Nylander for Trouba deal.
It’s perfect for both teams.
- Rexypoo

Ship has sailed, He’s heading to LA for Doughty.

Ship has sailed, He’s heading to LA for Doughty.
- DrunkenCanuck

Great news he igoing to LA as he's a soft, overpaid floater that isn't worth Trouba.

No. I did pause for a moment, so you’re getting closer
- Rexypoo

One last one for you!

To BUF: Jacob Trouba

To WPG: Rasmus Ristolainen, 2019 San Jose 1st round pick

The irony of the trade would be that Buffalo trades away the pick they got in the Kane trade to Winnipeg.

I do find it interesting that fan bases around the NHL do not think as high of Laine as some do here in Winnipeg. This does fit with my ideas about him.
- TheUltimateJet

As you’d like to say, this is the most ridiculous statement I’ve ever read in here. All fan bases think more highly of their players than other fan bases around the league! Why would you single out Laine like he is some anomaly?

I think Laine is an extremely talented player. But Provorov, minus his hiccup last year, has been nationally touted as a potential future Norris winner. You don't trade those at age 21 unless a "generational talent" is coming back.
- jmatchett383

Provorov’s year was a larger hiccup than Laine’s was but around here Laine gets raked over the coals so bad you’d think he scored Less than 20 goals or something.