Sean Maloughney: If Lucic For Eriksson Is All There Is...Do It.

No Thanks

Signed

- Canucks Fans

If each team retained an amount that brought their respective cap hits down 4.5mil, that would enable each team to retain up to another 2.25mil in moving them each once more. This would at least open the door to being rid of each contract as I don't think any team is particularly keen on adding them even at 3mil. At 2.25mil? Probably much more likely.

If they went this route, the teams would only save 2.25mil, but it's an alternative to a buyout.

Why would Vancouver do this deal? Lucic is a boat anchor, can't kill penalties and and can't skate. At least Eriksson can kill penalties and play defense. If Edmonton retains 50% (to match actual salary owed after July 1) and throws in Puljujarvi or..... maybe.

Yea let us go ahead and give you a 4th overall and a scrub player for your scrub player.

Lucic and a 3rd for Eriksson and a 5th...

And at least the Nucks dont have to worry about protecting Lucic anyways as when a player is traded the new team no longer has to honor their NMC. Also after next season Lucic becomes a viable buyout option but the season after that is when it is really easy to do it.

Lucic and a 3rd for Eriksson and a 5th...

And at least the Nucks dont have to worry about protecting Lucic anyways as when a player is traded the new team no longer has to honor their NMC. Also after next season Lucic becomes a viable buyout option but the season after that is when it is really easy to do it.
- Lemmewinks

I believe the NMC is only void if the player is asking for the trade. Not the team.

Why would Vancouver do this deal? Lucic is a boat anchor, can't kill penalties and and can't skate. At least Eriksson can kill penalties and play defense. If Edmonton retains 50% (to match actual salary owed after July 1) and throws in Puljujarvi or..... maybe.
- Tebeaune

Lucic is actually very good at goal suppression- it's just that he also suppresses his own team's scoring

All joking aside, he was the only Oilers winger that achieved a 50% GF ratio away from McDavid. His defense was not the issue.

The point is that your management seems to want physicality- that much is plain. It becomes a matter of whether he values that physicality more than he does the PKing of Eriksson.

My point is that Lucic not only has an actual $6MM salary but he also will have to be protected in the expansion draft because of his NMC.

"If Lucic *was* moved to Vancouver - Lucic's NMC would remain for the length of the term and thus #Canucks would have to protect him in the expansion draft despite having to waive it for the trade".

— Ryan Biech (@ryanbiech) June 8, 2019

$6MM for 4 more years for a borderline 3rd liner who can't PK and has to be protected for the expansion draft. Plus we have a bunch of young players who will need to get paid and they will see Lucic at $6MM for what he contributes.

Yes the Oilers will need to retain salary and add to the deal or NO THANK YOU

Lucic for Loui straight up is a bad deal for the Nucks....while I have questioned Bennings brain in the past I think he would even recognize that

Highly doubtful that Vancouver does one for one, or the deal would have already been done. Edmonton needs to add in order for Benning to pull the trigger. Vancouver has no reason to help Edmonton out. The league has done that enough in the last ten years with four 1st over all draft picks.

Highly doubtful that Vancouver does one for one, or the deal would have already been done. Edmonton needs to add in order for Benning to pull the trigger. Vancouver has no reason to help Edmonton out. The league has done that enough in the last ten years with four 1st over all draft picks.
- Slip and slap

Yes because the draft lotto is fixed but the reality is I’m sure Gary hates the fact that McDavid ended up in Edmonton....keep reaching tho

Wow... that is a total poop-show of free agent signing for $/term in 2016.

Downright fugly.

Wow... that is a total poop-show of free agent signing for $/term in 2016.

Downright fugly.
- Chief4Feathers

& he mercifully didnt mention Brouwer.

& he mercifully didnt mention Brouwer.
- Kevin R

At least the buyout isn’t terrible with him

If each team retained an amount that brought their respective cap hits down 4.5mil, that would enable each team to retain up to another 2.25mil in moving them each once more. This would at least open the door to being rid of each contract as I don't think any team is particularly keen on adding them even at 3mil. At 2.25mil? Probably much more likely.

If they went this route, the teams would only save 2.25mil, but it's an alternative to a buyout.
- MaximumBone

This is incorrect. Rule is that up to 50% of a contract's cap hit & salary can be retained. Not 50% of what a team owes.

My point is that Lucic not only has an actual $6MM salary but he also will have to be protected in the expansion draft because of his NMC.

"If Lucic *was* moved to Vancouver - Lucic's NMC would remain for the length of the term and thus #Canucks would have to protect him in the expansion draft despite having to waive it for the trade".

— Ryan Biech (@ryanbiech) June 8, 2019

$6MM for 4 more years for a borderline 3rd liner who can't PK and has to be protected for the expansion draft. Plus we have a bunch of young players who will need to get paid and they will see Lucic at $6MM for what he contributes.

Yes the Oilers will need to retain salary and add to the deal or NO THANK YOU

- Tebeaune

Or they discuss with him that he can keep the NMC to avoid being dropped to the minors so long as he promises to waive it for the expansion draft. By then, he'll be well past NHL-quality and being exposed won't matter. No chance he gets taken. There's grey area.

This is incorrect. Rule is that up to 50% of a contract's cap hit & salary can be retained. Not 50% of what a team owes.
- Antilles

Carl Hagelin. Google the details of the two trades he was a part of last year. Ended up with Washington taking on 1.875 of his total 4mil in cap hit.

In other words, you're incorrect based on the example shown.

Yes because the draft lotto is fixed but the reality is I’m sure Gary hates the fact that McDavid ended up in Edmonton....keep reaching tho
- RatedR80

I’m sure McDavid isn’t so happy about being there much these days.

what the heck happened to these two. Do guys get fat contracts and stop training? Is their desire gone? Are they not embarrassed? Does Lucic still play hard? Haven't seen enough of him. I've watched too much of Eriksson and I have trouble believing this guy once scored thirty goals. In the NHL? How? The guy goes nowhere near the net, doesn't have a decent shot, and gives up on plays all over the ice. Especially the corners because he is so fearful. And he has the audacity to blame the coach. Cash your cheques and shut your piehole Loui

Carl Hagelin. Google the details of the two trades he was a part of last year. Ended up with Washington taking on 1.875 of his total 4mil in cap hit.

In other words, you're incorrect based on the example shown.
- MaximumBone

Was just widely miss-understood when reported, so websites like capfriendly published incorrect numbers. LA "retained" 50% of his total SPC, of which 43.7 percent was paid by them and 6.3 percent was paid by Pittsburgh; and Washington actually covered 50% of the 4 million.

It's 50.5.e.iii.A of the CBA.
http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en...12/NHL_NHLPA_2013_CBA.pdf

I believe the NMC is only void if the player is asking for the trade. Not the team.
- poisondhearts37

You would be wrong

My point is that Lucic not only has an actual $6MM salary but he also will have to be protected in the expansion draft because of his NMC.

"If Lucic *was* moved to Vancouver - Lucic's NMC would remain for the length of the term and thus #Canucks would have to protect him in the expansion draft despite having to waive it for the trade".

— Ryan Biech (@ryanbiech) June 8, 2019

$6MM for 4 more years for a borderline 3rd liner who can't PK and has to be protected for the expansion draft. Plus we have a bunch of young players who will need to get paid and they will see Lucic at $6MM for what he contributes.

Yes the Oilers will need to retain salary and add to the deal or NO THANK YOU

- Tebeaune

Ryan Biech was incorrect. He said go to 11.8 of the CBA where it talks about if a contract has not kicked in yet. The article does not mention anything at all about one that is in effect

Ryan Biech was incorrect. He said go to 11.8 of the CBA where it talks about if a contract has not kicked in yet. The article does not mention anything at all about one that is in effect
- VANTEL

This. Once a NMC/NTC is active, it carries over in trades. The exception is for contracts given to RFA's that have a NMC/NTC that will kick in once they are eligible, who are traded before that happens. Only then does it becomes the acquiring teams option to honor it or not. Lucic's NMC goes with him.

Players do have the option to waive for the expansion draft though, and Vancouver could insist on having that talk with him prior to making a trade.

This. Once a NMC/NTC is active, it carries over in trades. The exception is for contracts given to RFA's that have a NMC/NTC that will kick in once they are eligible, who are traded before that happens. Only then does it becomes the acquiring teams option to honor it or not. Lucic's NMC goes with him.

Players do have the option to waive for the expansion draft though, and Vancouver could insist on having that talk with him prior to making a trade.
- Antilles

https://www.capfriendly.com/faq

Read the part for NMC to all those asking if it travels with the player