"Trading away 7 became plausible with all the centers falling on draft day. Andersson, Vesey and Pionk offer immediate depth at the NHL level.
Bringing in a large package for the 7OA allows Colorado to fully maximize the value of Ottawas 1st. Nylander, Andersson, Vesey, Pionk, Bowers, Girard and Kamenev for Duchene.
Good haul in the grand scheme.
At 10 Colorado can still pick up one of the available centers (Dach, Cozens or Zegras) or go off the board with Krebs or Knight. "
In what world does New York have Vancouver's pick?
As for the trade itself, I think breaking it down makes it look pretty unbalanced. The current #7 pick should have more value than Andersson as he's trending towards being a middle-6 C likely best suited to 3rd line duties. Even though he was a #7 pick himself, that doesn't mean his value hasn't taken a hit. He's been less productive than Puljujarvi over the same time frame while Jesse started his career 8 months younger and apparently we'll be hard-pressed to get a 2nd in return for him.
I'm of the mind that the #31 pick is more valuable than a 2nd/3rd pair tweener, but I'll accept that there's room for debate. I don't know that I'd value a Vesey rental at much more than a 3rd so that part is mostly balanced.
#7 > Andersson
#31 > Pionk (imo)
#63 = Vesey
Not woefully terrible, but that's a Chiarelli-type trade for sure. Reeks of #16 for Reinhart. If #20 was thrown in, then it'd make a lot more sense.
"Trading away 7 became plausible with all the centers falling on draft day. Andersson, Vesey and Pionk offer immediate depth at the NHL level.
Bringing in a large package for the 7OA allows Colorado to fully maximize the value of Ottawas 1st. Nylander, Andersson, Vesey, Pionk, Bowers, Girard and Kamenev for Duchene.
Good haul in the grand scheme.
At 10 Colorado can still pick up one of the available centers (Dach, Cozens or Zegras) or go off the board with Krebs or Knight. "
In what world does New York have Vancouver's pick?
As for the trade itself, I think breaking it down makes it look pretty unbalanced. The current #7 pick should have more value than Andersson as he's trending towards being a middle-6 C likely best suited to 3rd line duties. Even though he was a #7 pick himself, that doesn't mean his value hasn't taken a hit. He's been less productive than Puljujarvi over the same time frame while Jesse started his career 8 months younger and apparently we'll be hard-pressed to get a 2nd in return for him.
I'm of the mind that the #31 pick is more valuable than a 2nd/3rd pair tweener, but I'll accept that there's room for debate. I don't know that I'd value a Vesey rental at much more than a 3rd so that part is mostly balanced.
#7 > Andersson
#31 > Pionk (imo)
#63 = Vesey
Not woefully terrible, but that's a Chiarelli-type trade for sure. Reeks of #16 for Reinhart. - MaximumBone
in this world, trades are fluid, gotta keep up, there are a few pending after this one
"Trading away 7 became plausible with all the centers falling on draft day. Andersson, Vesey and Pionk offer immediate depth at the NHL level.
Bringing in a large package for the 7OA allows Colorado to fully maximize the value of Ottawas 1st. Nylander, Andersson, Vesey, Pionk, Bowers, Girard and Kamenev for Duchene.
Good haul in the grand scheme.
At 10 Colorado can still pick up one of the available centers (Dach, Cozens or Zegras) or go off the board with Krebs or Knight. "
In what world does New York have Vancouver's pick?
As for the trade itself, I think breaking it down makes it look pretty unbalanced. The current #7 pick should have more value than Andersson as he's trending towards being a middle-6 C likely best suited to 3rd line duties. Even though he was a #7 pick himself, that doesn't mean his value hasn't taken a hit. He's been less productive than Puljujarvi over the same time frame while Jesse started his career 8 months younger and apparently we'll be hard-pressed to get a 2nd in return for him.
I'm of the mind that the #31 pick is more valuable than a 2nd/3rd pair tweener, but I'll accept that there's room for debate. I don't know that I'd value a Vesey rental at much more than a 3rd so that part is mostly balanced.
#7 > Andersson
#31 > Pionk (imo)
#63 = Vesey
Not woefully terrible, but that's a Chiarelli-type trade for sure. Reeks of #16 for Reinhart. If #20 was thrown in, then it'd make a lot more sense. - MaximumBone
"Trading away 7 became plausible with all the centers falling on draft day. Andersson, Vesey and Pionk offer immediate depth at the NHL level.
Bringing in a large package for the 7OA allows Colorado to fully maximize the value of Ottawas 1st. Nylander, Andersson, Vesey, Pionk, Bowers, Girard and Kamenev for Duchene.
Good haul in the grand scheme.
At 10 Colorado can still pick up one of the available centers (Dach, Cozens or Zegras) or go off the board with Krebs or Knight. "
In what world does New York have Vancouver's pick?
As for the trade itself, I think breaking it down makes it look pretty unbalanced. The current #7 pick should have more value than Andersson as he's trending towards being a middle-6 C likely best suited to 3rd line duties. Even though he was a #7 pick himself, that doesn't mean his value hasn't taken a hit. He's been less productive than Puljujarvi over the same time frame while Jesse started his career 8 months younger and apparently we'll be hard-pressed to get a 2nd in return for him.
I'm of the mind that the #31 pick is more valuable than a 2nd/3rd pair tweener, but I'll accept that there's room for debate. I don't know that I'd value a Vesey rental at much more than a 3rd so that part is mostly balanced.
#7 > Andersson
#31 > Pionk (imo)
#63 = Vesey
Not woefully terrible, but that's a Chiarelli-type trade for sure. Reeks of #16 for Reinhart. If #20 was thrown in, then it'd make a lot more sense. - MaximumBone
Colorado and Vancouver have a deal in place, depending on the other trades going through
"Trading away 7 became plausible with all the centers falling on draft day. Andersson, Vesey and Pionk offer immediate depth at the NHL level.
Bringing in a large package for the 7OA allows Colorado to fully maximize the value of Ottawas 1st. Nylander, Andersson, Vesey, Pionk, Bowers, Girard and Kamenev for Duchene.
Good haul in the grand scheme.
At 10 Colorado can still pick up one of the available centers (Dach, Cozens or Zegras) or go off the board with Krebs or Knight. "
In what world does New York have Vancouver's pick?
As for the trade itself, I think breaking it down makes it look pretty unbalanced. The current #7 pick should have more value than Andersson as he's trending towards being a middle-6 C likely best suited to 3rd line duties. Even though he was a #7 pick himself, that doesn't mean his value hasn't taken a hit. He's been less productive than Puljujarvi over the same time frame while Jesse started his career 8 months younger and apparently we'll be hard-pressed to get a 2nd in return for him.
I'm of the mind that the #31 pick is more valuable than a 2nd/3rd pair tweener, but I'll accept that there's room for debate. I don't know that I'd value a Vesey rental at much more than a 3rd so that part is mostly balanced.
#7 > Andersson
#31 > Pionk (imo)
#63 = Vesey
Not woefully terrible, but that's a Chiarelli-type trade for sure. Reeks of #16 for Reinhart. If #20 was thrown in, then it'd make a lot more sense. - MaximumBone
Vesey is worth a 2nd and a B prospect
Andersson was drafted 7th in 2017 - closer to being NHL ready
A 24 year old right handed offensive defenseman is available for an early 2nd? Yeah I think all 31 NHL teams would be interested.
Thanks for the Chiarelli comparison.
MacKinnon for Dumba????
Andersson was drafted 7th in 2017 - closer to being NHL ready
A 24 year old right handed offensive defenseman is available for an early 2nd? Yeah I think all 31 NHL teams would be interested.
Thanks for the Chiarelli comparison.
MacKinnon for Dumba???? - optimus-reim
Maybe the Chiarelli comparison is an exaggeration- sorry. However, I've gotta disagree on both the Andersson and Vesey fronts.
One's past draft position can only dictate their value for so long. Would you have given up #4 for Puljujarvi? He was a #4 pick after all and has been more productive than Lias. As for Vesey, I'm not keen on giving a 2nd and a B prospect for 30-35 point wingers, but that's a difference in valuation.
Popular opinion (and Jan's final say) will decide it and I won't make a fuss about it. No disrespect meant!
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Jun 13 @ 5:38 PM ET
Maybe the Chiarelli comparison is an exaggeration- sorry. However, I've gotta disagree on both the Andersson and Vesey fronts.
One's past draft position can only dictate their value for so long. Would you have given up #4 for Puljujarvi? He was a #4 pick after all and has been more productive than Lias. As for Vesey, I'm not keen on giving a 2nd and a B prospect for 30-35 point wingers, but that's a difference in valuation.
Popular opinion (and Jan's final say) will decide it and I won't make a fuss about it. No disrespect meant! - MaximumBone
Not just a 30 point winger but a 30 point rental winger. And for a late 1st, not a second.
You are telling us Avs Fans that trading the 4OA, 63OA AND Compher for the so far Worthless Alexander Nylander, 1 year of Vesey before UFA , Poink who will lucky to be a 3rd pairing guy and a guy in Anderson who isn't good enough be a 3rd line center for the Rangers is a real upgrade for the Avs ???
Hell Compher is already a better 3rd line center than Anderson and Anderson may have a damn hard time being a 4th line Center if Kamenev could stay healthy for a full year, Vesey is TDL bait at best , Poink only will see the ice if Barrie gets traded. A Nylander is (frank)ing lotto ticket, he'll probably end up playing in Europe.
All I can say is if you were the GM , this upcoming trade with Canucks better be a damn site better than this garbage. I don't see maximizing the Ottawa #1 for depth , I see it as huge wasted opportunity.
You have obviously spent sometime thinking this out , just don't know much about the Avs or their prospects.
At least you stepped up to do this since none of us AV fans would. Kuddos for that
Maybe the Chiarelli comparison is an exaggeration- sorry. However, I've gotta disagree on both the Andersson and Vesey fronts.
One's past draft position can only dictate their value for so long. Would you have given up #4 for Puljujarvi? He was a #4 pick after all and has been more productive than Lias. As for Vesey, I'm not keen on giving a 2nd and a B prospect for 30-35 point wingers, but that's a difference in valuation.
Popular opinion (and Jan's final say) will decide it and I won't make a fuss about it. No disrespect meant! - MaximumBone
I have the 10OA so I will still be grabbing one of the better prospects of the top-15 of which are said to be interchangeable after 4OA.
After witnessing the centers still up for grabs at 7OA and an interest from the Rangers to trade up, whilst also owning the 10OA - three picks later, I figured I’d see what’s available.
Andersson is still incredibly young. He’s a for sure 3rd line talent that like Vesey can play in the top-9.
Pionk becomes more valuable if he can hold his own if Barrie is traded.
Or, could make Barrie expendable if he plays well enough.
All three players provide NHL depth on either ELC or cheap deals.
This furthers the Avs a deeper pocket to spend on players, of which a few positions have already been filled via trade, that really want in Free Agency.
I figured forfeiting the 20OA in this trade would increase the quality value of roster players coming back via trade.
Re Chiapet:
Don’t worry man, I understood what you meant. No harm no foul.
You are telling us Avs Fans that trading the 4OA, 63OA AND Compher for the so far Worthless Alexander Nylander, 1 year of Vesey before UFA , Poink who will lucky to be a 3rd pairing guy and a guy in Anderson who isn't good enough be a 3rd line center for the Rangers is a real upgrade for the Avs ???
Hell Compher is already a better 3rd line center than Anderson and Anderson may have a damn hard time being a 4th line Center if Kamenev could stay healthy for a full year, Vesey is TDL bait at best , Poink only will see the ice if Barrie gets traded. A Nylander is (frank)ing lotto ticket, he'll probably end up playing in Europe.
All I can say is if you were the GM , this upcoming trade with Canucks better be a damn site better than this garbage. I don't see maximizing the Ottawa #1 for depth , I see it as huge wasted opportunity.
You have obviously spent sometime thinking this out , just don't know much about the Avs or their prospects.
At least you stepped up to do this since none of us AV fans would. Kuddos for that - ice-crazy
Hey buddy.
Pionk is a beauty. Andersson will hold his own. Vesey provides depth for a 2020 cup run.
We still get to draft 10OA (Cozens, Dach, Krebs or Knight) so don’t worry as much. It’s all fantasy anyway.
Huge P.S.
If you guys popped up sooner I’d have a better feel on what you guys were thinking and could strategize accordingly.
My position was trade down 4 to 7, take a chance on Nylander and grab another 1st, asset management.
7 was traded for immediate NHL depth that are all still very young. I only traded 7 because I saw the centers falling and I have 10OA in my back pocket to grab one of the stated players.
Also had no idea Compher became such an important piece. That is completely my bad.
The worst part being I watched Colorado a lot in the playoffs.
Pick number 8 was just submitted.... did I play it safe or go full John Chayka and go off the board. All I know is you never go full John Chatka.... thats like going full Tanner.
