one thing I will say about Hayes as a positive for you guys, he's gotten a lot better on faceoffs.
I remember his first two seasons he was an absolute disaster, but he really worked on it and now I'd say he holds his own pretty well
he never takes penalties, he's impossible at times to get off the puck, he doesn't shoot enough, doesn't hit a whole lot, and his teammates absolutely love him.
Team chemistry wise he's one of the best guys to have around.
Holmgren 2.0 with Fletcher. Team is too slow STILL - twpguy
Great, so if it's truly Holmgren 2.0, the Flyers will make the ECF next season and the Cup Finals two years after that, and then tie for the most points in the Eastern Conference in the regular season that follows the trip to the Finals. They'll win seven playoff series over a span of five years. Yeah, that'd be a total disaster.
BTW, Hayes isn't a speed demon but he also isn't slow. He had no issues playing effectively in New York at the pace that J.T. Miller and Carl Hagelin set. A healthy Niskanen is not slow at all; mobility has always been one of his strengths. Braun, yes, looked a bit slow this past season.
63 point pace season if he played 82 last year. 2nd best center available this summer could have garnered an NMC. Fletcher had to go over the top with money and term then. If no NMC then im ok with the deal.
Flyers couldn’t come back with Patrick/laughton in the middle. This will help the team. The flyers were going to address 2C in a big way. The lineup is starting to look Interesting. Need a 3rd line RW. Veteran stopgap
one thing I will say about Hayes as a positive for you guys, he's gotten a lot better on faceoffs.
I remember his first two seasons he was an absolute disaster, but he really worked on it and now I'd say he holds his own pretty well
he never takes penalties, he's impossible at times to get off the puck, he doesn't shoot enough, doesn't hit a whole lot, and his teammates absolutely love him.
Team chemistry wise he's one of the best guys to have around.
my fave all time Hayes goal
- jimbro83
Thx jimbo. He’s going to help us. We had a massive hole at 2C that some in here won’t admit to.
Literally top 3 worst contract on its first day signed.....not easy to achieve.
Will be bought out year 4, maybe 5 at best.
Flyers will have 36% of the cap with 4 forwards and 3 of those contracts will end poorly - jjonah
Unless there is an amnesty buyout in the next lockout, there aren't going to be any buyouts of players with two or more years left on their contracts. A buyout doubles the remaining term on the deal.
Hayes very well could end up being a massively overpaid 3rd line center relative to his point production. He's making a whole lot of money for a whole lot of term. But he also could be in mutually beneficial in the lineup with Nolan Patrick in a 2A/2B setup down in the middle that creates matchup issues for opponents.
This past season, when the Flyers temporarily moved Giroux back to center for a time midway through the season so that they could put Couturier with Lindblom and Voracek (a line that thrived together), Giroux's production suffered. However, it got Patrick into favorable matchups and he had his best stretch of the season over a 13-game, 12-point stretch from Jan. 14 to Feb. 16. That's the basic idea behind the Hayes acquisition, except not at the expense of wearing out Giroux.
His $7million makes Courtier’s next deal what ? $11?
Such a superior player over Hayes - jjonah
Couturier's deal runs through the 2021-22 season. They'll worry about an extension come the summer of 2021 and any cap implications won't be felt until 2022-23.
Anyway not my money so i dont care.Its an upgrade at the centre spot.Niskanen is an upgrade on gudas,and braun if he can get back to being solid in his own end is what this team needed.I didnt like the 2nd and 3rd for him.That was ridiculous. No way the flyers trade the 11th pick now.Anyone know what kind of numbers provy wants?If Fletcher plays hardball with him i really will question his logic.
Anyway not my money so i dont care.Its an upgrade at the centre spot.Niskanen is an upgrade on gudas,and braun if he can get back to being solid in his own end is what this team needed.I didnt like the 2nd and 3rd for him.That was ridiculous. No way the flyers trade the 11th pick now.Anyone know what kind of numbers provy wants?If Fletcher plays hardball with him i really will question his logic. - flyeredup85
It’s a salary cap you should care.
You can’t overpay in this league..and they did.
They were desperate.
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Jun 19 @ 6:35 AM ET
Fans
Address the holes in the line up with real players
Management
We signed The second best available player and HAD to pay him FA PRICE
The GM was given a mandate to fix what Hextall refused to do. Hex was like Smiegel and the ring hoarding/holding onto draft picks assets and money while the team went nowhere. lets not even go over the coaching issues...When you have to fix the holes immediately the previous "plumber" left leaking for years you have little choice, especially when the boss/shareholders/owners are trying to live in that house/sell tickets etc whatever analogy you want to use. There is also the window with G and other top level players that wont remain open for that long. Hey the commish who I despise for all his faults is finally after 25+ years really bringing in large HRR to the league, even though I hate his methods. The cap goes up yearly unless Armageddon happens and the Hayes salary will become a non issue near the end of term... when its all said and done, having people slotted in the right place makes everyone around them more successful and allows people to grow & learn- a good part of our youngsters are still that. Thats what these moves are about, to solidify and this is the only one contract with any long term concerns.
Although a lot are complaining, the line-up going into this upcoming season is superior than that of last year. Without a NMC or NTC, Hayes can be moved in a couple of years for picks - teams will always look for a decent center at the TDL.
wcorvette Season Ticket Holder Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 19 @ 6:50 AM ET
Bill
Can you comment on how Seattle and the new TV contract could potentially factor in to the cap?
Your thoughts on a potential lock out ?
Do these issues factor into a GM thought process on signing a potential FA to a rich contract ?
Do I think it is an overpay? Yes but I also think multiple other teams would have pid it.
In some ways this contract will affect the July 1 signings.
I don't like the length, but the market is what the market is. I personally would have tried to get either the length or hit down closer to 6, but it doesn't have an NMC so that's a huge bonus.
Just hoping they don't trade any of Provorov/Sanheim/Myers/Ghost and lock up the first 2 long-term. If they can do that, get their other RFA's signed, grab a decent back-up, they'll probably be set...but there's a log jam at defense now, something's gotta give.
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Jun 19 @ 6:55 AM ET
Waits for everyone to freak out
A year too long and half a million too much per year but he'll also be expansion draft bait. Also I bet after the next lockout we will have buyouts like last time so if it's truly a terrible contract we can get out from it
So I have had some time to decompress after all the moves so far and you know what.....I like it.
Last year all we talked about is a consistently competitive team. We wanted to see good play. And you know what..the flyers look to be better now then when last season ended.
The goal is to get better each year. Not say we "could" be better in 3-4 years. Each year there is a goal to get better and you owe it to paying customers to do it. Not one person yesterday talked about how this is still a business product.
I know we complain about this guy getting this money and this guy getting this term and these picks were moved for that guy. Really who cares. Are you that worried about that or do you want the team to be better.
After the moves are the Flyers a clear cup contender...I don't know. But were the Canes? We there Islanders some machine of eliteness? The Blues I believe went against everything corsi said.
I know this is long winded and i know lots won't agree. But I am glad I see moves being made to makes this team competitive and fill holes. I know people will talk about "well this might hurt down the road". Ok well i'll figure that out down the road. There is always something you can do.
And for all the doom and gloom about Fletcher he has made all these moves without giving up a 1st rounder or any prospects.
So lets ride it out. Justin Williams wasn't a needle mover for the Canes last year but he sure was a help. Maybe Fletcher has made some of those moves for the Flyers.
So lets ride it out. Justin Williams wasn't a needle mover for the Canes last year but he sure was a help. Maybe Fletcher has made some of those moves for the Flyers. - J35Bacher
This is kind of where I am, at least in the present. Hayes, Niskanen, and...well, let's just stop there...aren't players who will put you over the top. But what they can do is be parts of the solution going forward either directly on indirectly, and they make the team better than they were last year. It doesn't have to always be the big fish, sometimes it's more the collection and mix, and I hope Hayes can be part of that.
I honestly think the move is a bit too long and/or high, but as a fan, I'm just going to have some hope that it works.
This is kind of where I am, at least in the present. Hayes, Niskanen, and...well, let's just stop there...aren't players who will put you over the top. But what they can do is be parts of the solution going forward either directly on indirectly, and they make the team better than they were last year. It doesn't have to always be the big fish, sometimes it's more the collection and mix, and I hope Hayes can be part of that.
I honestly think the move is a bit too long and/or high, but as a fan, I'm just going to have some hope that it works. - jmatchett383
Yesterday people wanted to sign 34 year old Pavelski to 4 and 5 year deals.
Maybe now with the addition of some solid veterans, there is no 10 game losing streak.
Maybe Braun and Niskanen provide a solid presence on the back end a let guys like Provorov and Sanheim and Myers play to there strengths.
Things in sports are circular. Yes. There will be a time where they will need to reshape the roster again. But I think it is time to compete. Get in and make a run. It's funny how I didn't see Islander fans complaining about being in the playoffs even if they were "cup contenders"
