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Ryan Wilson
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jun 19 @ 10:20 AM ET
Ryan Wilson: Haye(s) too much? Haye(s) too much?
chimpira
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 02.18.2015

Jun 19 @ 10:24 AM ET
Frist!
Reveen.
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BC
Joined: 09.05.2016

Jun 19 @ 10:25 AM ET
Way too much
SyrSabreFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Syracuse, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

Jun 19 @ 10:25 AM ET
Too much. I cant imagine what Reinhart is going to ask for now.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jun 19 @ 10:29 AM ET
Nyquist, Donskoi, Johanson and Zuccarello are all good names.

Add JT Miller and T.Johnson to the list of good options to acquire.
Brukie
New York Rangers
Location: Putnam, NY
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 19 @ 10:31 AM ET
Over pay by at least 600k. For 7 years he should have gotten 6.1
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jun 19 @ 10:35 AM ET
Over pay by at least 600k. For 7 years he should have gotten 6.1
- Brukie

I think 5.5M would be ideal
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 19 @ 10:38 AM ET
Nyquist, Donskoi, Johanson and Zuccarello are all good names.

Add JT Miller and T.Johnson to the list of good options to acquire.

- Barnaby36


Who knows what those guys are going to cost at this point. If Hayes gets $7M, Nyquist is surely worth $7M and Zuccarello probably closer to $7 than $6M.

I think you are right though. The Pens need to keep an eye on Tampa and Toronto. Both teams have some tough decisions to make and will lose players for packages based around picks/prospects, not roster players.

I've brought this up before and I'm 100% sure this is not even a thought for JR, but I'd attempt moving either Johnson or Gudbranson (preferably Johnson) for Marleau. Marleau's offensive ability has obviously declined, but his speed hasn't. Marleau can be an effective player for this team IMO.

A short-term overpay for long-term freedom.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Jun 19 @ 10:41 AM ET
Carryover...

I think Nyqvist would be a nice addition but only if we traded Hornqvist. I would hate to trade Kessel and then have him, in essence, be replaced with Nyqvist at $6-7M. There's no net gain there.
Dudley03
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mechanicsburg, PA
Joined: 06.19.2019

Jun 19 @ 10:42 AM ET
What does Couturier think now? He's way underpaid compared to this deal.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jun 19 @ 10:44 AM ET
Nyquist, Donskoi, Johanson and Zuccarello are all good names.

Add JT Miller and T.Johnson to the list of good options to acquire.

- Barnaby36


Donskoi is a guy that would probably be affordable for the Pens. I've always like Johansson, but he's missed a ton of game the last couple of years. Zucc and Nyquist probably cost too much.

Hint, hint.... Gunner should do an "under the radar" column. Guys that won't be signed in the first couple of days, but will likely add nice value to the roster.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jun 19 @ 10:48 AM ET
Donskoi is a guy that would probably be affordable for the Pens. I've always like Johansson, but he's missed a ton of game the last couple of years. Zucc and Nyquist probably cost too much.

Hint, hint.... Gunner should do an "under the radar" column. Guys that won't be signed in the first couple of days, but will likely add nice value to the roster.

- madmike71

This ^

The ball is on your court Ryan Wilson
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 19 @ 10:49 AM ET
Donskoi is a guy that would probably be affordable for the Pens. I've always like Johansson, but he's missed a ton of game the last couple of years. Zucc and Nyquist probably cost too much.

Hint, hint.... Gunner should do an "under the radar" column. Guys that won't be signed in the first couple of days, but will likely add nice value to the roster.

- madmike71


Donskoi at this point likely to get $4Mish and that's too much. The Pens need to steer clear of this UFA market and look towards trades.

Use a pick/prospect pacakge to grab Miller, Johnson or Killorn from Tampa or like I suggested, move Johnson for Marleau.

They could probably even get Hyman or Brown from Tampa for a mid-level prospect.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 19 @ 10:49 AM ET
@Barnsby that’s probably the exact order in how I’d target a FA forward. Donskoi and Nyqvist Being my top two. I think the blue line is a much bigger priority to upgrade though.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 19 @ 10:50 AM ET
Donskoi at this point likely to get $4Mish and that's too much. The Pens need to steer clear of this UFA market and look towards trades.

Use a pick/prospect pacakge to grab Miller, Johnson or Killorn from Tampa or like I suggested, move Johnson for Marleau.

They could probably even get Hyman or Brown from Tampa for a mid-level prospect.

- Rinosaur

I don’t think 4 mil for Donskoi is too much. That actually sounds like a super good deal. He’s produced at a 1st line rate the past two seasons and always had good underlying numbers. I remember him vividly from the SCF a few years back.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jun 19 @ 10:50 AM ET
Yes it is a lot but the Brock Nelson contract set the trend. your 50-60 point guys are going to be this much going forward. It is an over payment but it isnt a large one.

This is the market.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jun 19 @ 10:51 AM ET
Blog quality has been a bummer here for a while now. “Hayes, too much?” Heck, RW didn’t put up much of argument one way or the other! He notes that Hayes has good underlying numbers but doesn’t state what they are or who it’s relative to. The one area that he mentions is that his most common linemates aren’t great, which a schmuck like me said last blog that his QoT will be better in Philly. Tanner may be wrong A LOT but I respect that he puts his opinions out there

If Turris at 6x6 is the comp then I would say Hayes is younger and has a higher ceiling and is the better all around player so he deserves more. If the cap rises to 81.5MM. So apples to apples Hayes would get 6.15. Is Hayes 1MM better than Turris? I think he could be but it’s really just the market that pushed the number up. If you’re going to blame anyone then Skinner and his agent should be at the top of the list. If he takes $8MM there’s no way Hayes gets 7.14, maybe it pushes him back down to 6.5 which is probably where he should be
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jun 19 @ 10:53 AM ET
Who knows what those guys are going to cost at this point. If Hayes gets $7M, Nyquist is surely worth $7M and Zuccarello probably closer to $7 than $6M.

I think you are right though. The Pens need to keep an eye on Tampa and Toronto. Both teams have some tough decisions to make and will lose players for packages based around picks/prospects, not roster players.

I've brought this up before and I'm 100% sure this is not even a thought for JR, but I'd attempt moving either Johnson or Gudbranson (preferably Johnson) for Marleau. Marleau's offensive ability has obviously declined, but his speed hasn't. Marleau can be an effective player for this team IMO.

A short-term overpay for long-term freedom.

- Rinosaur

Marleau has a NTC and said he’s only going west to be with his family but I agree with your reasoning. I would do it in a heartbeat
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jun 19 @ 10:54 AM ET
@Barnsby that’s probably the exact order in how I’d target a FA forward. Donskoi and Nyqvist Being my top two. I think the blue line is a much bigger priority to upgrade though.
- Victoro311

Mine too. I feel like both Nyquist and Donskoi would be excellent fits to the Penguins.

Would you be fine with this?

In: Nyquist and Donskoi

Out: Kessel , Aston-Reese and J.Johnson
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jun 19 @ 10:57 AM ET
Donskoi is a guy that would probably be affordable for the Pens. I've always like Johansson, but he's missed a ton of game the last couple of years. Zucc and Nyquist probably cost too much.

Hint, hint.... Gunner should do an "under the radar" column. Guys that won't be signed in the first couple of days, but will likely add nice value to the roster.

- madmike71

No offense Mike but I disagree. I don’t think these players are under the radar at all. Guys like Grabner for example go early on Canada Day every year especially now that teams can talk to these guys ahead of time. The guys that will linger the longest are the guys coming off these longer deals that are holding out for more money, such as Pominville. If he decides to sign below his actual value because he wants a certain spot, then he’s go quickly. There are certainly teams in the market for top 6 help, but there’s also a lot of teams who aren’t and will go straight to these players
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 19 @ 10:57 AM ET
Mine too. I feel like both Nyquist and Donskoi would be excellent fits to the Penguins.

Would you be fine with this?

In: Nyquist and Donskoi

Out: Kessel , Aston-Reese and J.Johnson

- Barnaby36

I mean, no? If something were to happen where we traded Kessel for a defenseman of comparable value and we added Donskoi in free agency as a replacement RW, I think that’d be good, but I think the chances of that are super small due to Phil’s NTC and the cap probably wouldn’t work out.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jun 19 @ 11:02 AM ET
No offense Mike but I disagree. I don’t think these players are under the radar at all. Guys like Grabner for example go early on Canada Day every year especially now that teams can talk to these guys ahead of time. The guys that will linger the longest are the guys coming off these longer deals that are holding out for more money,
- WSCTeton17[such as Pominville. If he decides to sign below his actual value because he wants a certain spot, then he’s go quickly. There are certainly teams in the market for top 6 help, but there’s also a lot of teams who aren’t and will go straight to these players

He used to be a good player. I don't know how he is right now.
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jun 19 @ 11:08 AM ET
Mine too. I feel like both Nyquist and Donskoi would be excellent fits to the Penguins.

Would you be fine with this?

In: Nyquist and Donskoi

Out: Kessel , Aston-Reese and J.Johnson

- Barnaby36


If we do move Kessel I would love Connolly from Washington. One of my favorite UFA's this year. Last season he was given a 150% increase in ice time at 5v5 and his production doubled! His shooting percentage was at his career average too. He was able to generate twice as many shots in a top 6 role and was rewarded without seeing a drastic increase in his shooting%. 40+ 5v5 points is very good
He is also 6'3 and isn't a bad skater. I'd be more than fine with signing a guy like that if Phil is moved for cap space.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jun 19 @ 11:10 AM ET
No offense Mike but I disagree. I don’t think these players are under the radar at all. Guys like Grabner for example go early on Canada Day every year especially now that teams can talk to these guys ahead of time. The guys that will linger the longest are the guys coming off these longer deals that are holding out for more money, such as Pominville. If he decides to sign below his actual value because he wants a certain spot, then he’s go quickly. There are certainly teams in the market for top 6 help, but there’s also a lot of teams who aren’t and will go straight to these players
- WSCTeton17


I wasn't saying those players mentioned are "under the radar". I was referring to players that nobody is talking about. I don't follow other teams all that much. Especially out west (I have a pretty good grasp on most players in the east). I'm sure there's more than a few players that could be signed for affordable money that could help this club. Personally, I'm not sold on ZAR. I think we need to see much more from Blueger. I wouldn't consider those guys being locks for the roster.
nyrangers2
Joined: 07.09.2009

Jun 19 @ 11:20 AM ET
Probably over paid by $1m. What is sad is that the cap is such poop that teams actually need to care about over paying by $1m. Pathetic
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