Todd Cordell: Braun trade, market for Myers could help increase the return for Brodie

Thanks Todd, I for one agree that these deals are going to have some impact on the Brodie market. Supply is getting tight, cost certainty and 2019 cap crunch might drive Brodie's value up in the market place given his relatively low cap hit and solid (standard) stats

The Hayes contract threw me for a loop yesterday, can't believe that guy got $7M per season... Interested to hear your thoughts on the impact to Marner/Tkachuk deals moving forward as well.

Hayes gets 7m and Trouba gets traded for peanuts. Ek was right, it is the silly season...

Here's to hoping Todd is right and I was wrong on TJ's value!
With the crazy contracts being dolled out these days (Skinner, Hayes, Karlsson etc) I hope the Flames trade Brodie for picks or a young blue chip prospect.
Having young cost controlled players in your system to promote yearly is going to be critical.

The Flames need to be all in. They really only have a guaranteed three-year window right now. Trading Brodie is not the right move right now. Maybe trading Brodie for a pick makes the team better in five years, but they're not better this year, and this is the year they can win a Cup. If they trade Brodie and Stone or Hamonic and Stone, all of a sudden they went from a team with great depth on the backend to a team that's incredibly thin on defence.

I'd rather see another couple years doing everything they can to stay on top of the West than see them slip back into mediocrity.

The Flames need to be all in. They really only have a guaranteed three-year window right now. Trading Brodie is not the right move right now. Maybe trading Brodie for a pick makes the team better in five years, but they're not better this year, and this is the year they can win a Cup. If they trade Brodie and Stone or Hamonic and Stone, all of a sudden they went from a team with great depth on the backend to a team that's incredibly thin on defence.

I'd rather see another couple years doing everything they can to stay on top of the West than see them slip back into mediocrity.
- Hunkulese

Valimaki and Rasmus will be stepping up for more minutes this season, we do not need Brodie- in the time Rasmus played top 4 this season he more than handled himself and did better than Brodie in most cases. Get Fantenberg back and we are in great shape defensively

Valimaki and Rasmus will be stepping up for more minutes this season, we do not need Brodie- in the time Rasmus played top 4 this season he more than handled himself and did better than Brodie in most cases. Get Fantenberg back and we are in great shape defensively
- Squilliam-

Agreed.
Having Brodie in our lineup is not going to change the betting odds on the Flames winning the cup in 2020 not to mention the valuable cap relief we can gain by moving him and Frolik.
If the market dictates sell high as Todd indicated you damn well should sell high.

Agreed.
Having Brodie in our lineup is not going to change the betting odds on the Flames winning the cup in 2020 not to mention the valuable cap relief we can gain by moving him and Frolik.
If the market dictates sell high as Todd indicated you damn well should sell high.
- DEDDIE

There's no argument. The Flames are better this year with Brodie than they are with a first round pick and a prospect. Keeping Brodie around this year also gives Seattle a really nice option to pick up in the summer.

Thanks Todd, I for one agree that these deals are going to have some impact on the Brodie market. Supply is getting tight, cost certainty and 2019 cap crunch might drive Brodie's value up in the market place given his relatively low cap hit and solid (standard) stats

The Hayes contract threw me for a loop yesterday, can't believe that guy got $7M per season... Interested to hear your thoughts on the impact to Marner/Tkachuk deals moving forward as well.
- rmull905

I think Marner was getting 10M+ regardless. It could impact Tkachuk a bit, though. I figured he'd come in around 7.5-8M per. Might be a tough sell given he had better counting and underlying stats than Hayes, and would be signing off his prime.

There's no argument. The Flames are better this year with Brodie than they are with a first round pick and a prospect. Keeping Brodie around this year also gives Seattle a really nice option to pick up in the summer.
- Hunkulese

The cap flex we will gain by moving Brodie and Frolik now will allow Tree to shore up the rest of our lineup so I would argue the Flames are better next year by moving Brodie now. All of this is predicated by the original blog suggesting the current market for Brodie is high.

There's no argument. The Flames are better this year with Brodie than they are with a first round pick and a prospect. Keeping Brodie around this year also gives Seattle a really nice option to pick up in the summer.
- Hunkulese

Ugh. There is an argument. There is always an argument. Because you're ignoring things like cap space, the need for cheap young talent and that our defensive depth is our strongest asset. PLUS, Seattle only picks him up in an Engelland type scenario (which, let's face it, we got lucky on). He's a free agent after this season and they could just wait for July 1 to sign the guy...

The Flames are not likely going to bring in a big free agent, but if moving Brodie (in concert with Frolik) gives you the cap space to bring in Zucker-type and you can play a top 6 of:

Gio Ras
Hanifin Hamonic
Valimaki Stone/Kyl/Fantenberg

you're better off from an offensive depth standpoint, your d does not take a huge step back (we all know that Gio's influence is what matters on the top pairing) and you build up your prospect pool, which the Flames will need in terms of finding cheap players to eat up bottom 6 minutes this year and into their championship window.

Ugh. There is an argument. There is always an argument. Because you're ignoring things like cap space, the need for cheap young talent and that our defensive depth is our strongest asset. PLUS, Seattle only picks him up in an Engelland type scenario (which, let's face it, we got lucky on). He's a free agent after this season and they could just wait for July 1 to sign the guy...

- rmull905

Brodie has a great contract. They're not getting a better player for less than Brodie makes. The Flames are better this year with Brodie and Frolik than they are with Zucker and draft picks. It doesn't make a lot of sense for a team with Cup aspirations to be trading someone like Frolik. He's the exact type of player contending teams fight over to complete their team at the trade deadline.

It might not have been a rule that was ever written down, but the NHL made it very clear to Vegas that they'd be extremely unhappy with them if they waited until free agency to get two players from a team.

People need to slow down on Andersson. Sure, he had a great rookie season, but it was still his rookie season. He started, what, like four games on the top pairing. Sophomore slumps are a real thing. I'm not sure the team is entirely ready to just make him the everyday top pairing guy and give him 24 minutes a night. Another season without the pressure of being a top pairing guy isn't going to hurt him.

The one scenario where trading Brodie would make sense is if they were trading him for Kadri, but I don't think the Leafs are stupid enough to do that.

The cap flex we will gain by moving Brodie and Frolik now will allow Tree to shore up the rest of our lineup so I would argue the Flames are better next year by moving Brodie now. All of this is predicated by the original blog suggesting the current market for Brodie is high.
- DEDDIE

12 months ago we were debating whether Ras would make the team or not. Now we're pencilling him in as a top pairing guy ? That's a lot on a 2nd year NHLer. I think it would be prudent to keep our top pairing guy and let Andersson try to win the job from him. Look elsewhere for cap relief. Stone, IMO is our 7th D, use an asset if they have to but get rid of him.

12 months ago we were debating whether Ras would make the team or not. Now we're pencilling him in as a top pairing guy ? That's a lot on a 2nd year NHLer. I think it would be prudent to keep our top pairing guy and let Andersson try to win the job from him. Look elsewhere for cap relief. Stone, IMO is our 7th D, use an asset if they have to but get rid of him.
- tincup

If you can sell high on Brodie today you do it that's just good asset management.
If you dont get a high price then dont move him.
Rasmus is clearly a better player than Brodie today and he will only be better next year so I have zero concern about replacing Brodie with Rasmus.

12 months ago we were debating whether Ras would make the team or not. Now we're pencilling him in as a top pairing guy ? That's a lot on a 2nd year NHLer. I think it would be prudent to keep our top pairing guy and let Andersson try to win the job from him. Look elsewhere for cap relief. Stone, IMO is our 7th D, use an asset if they have to but get rid of him.
- tincup

Again this is a simple case of asset management. Odds are we are going to be lucky to be able to extend one of Brodie or Hamonic. We have one more year left of these two & of the two, I see Hamonic giving us a decent hometown discount to get stability to play in Calgary. Management love his charity work in the community as well.

If the market gets ridiculous you have to sell at least one of them. To me Brodie is that choice & as much as I would love to get another 1st rounder, Hunk may be right about our window being open for the next 3 years, then a move for a Kadri is probably the way to go. If Marner gets well over 10.0 mill per & sounds like he will, Leafs will need to move cap expenditure from the forward group to the blueline. Even if its for a 1 year bandaid like Brodie & I think Flames could probably extract even a higher price for Hamonic. If Dubas offered Tre Kadri & a 2019 2nd & 2020 1st for Hamonic & Jankowski do you do that? Leafs will be over a barrel & time is on our side.

If you can sell high on Brodie today you do it that's just good asset management.
If you dont get a high price then dont move him.
Rasmus is clearly a better player than Brodie today and he will only be better next year so I have zero concern about replacing Brodie with Rasmus.
- DEDDIE

I'd actually try to trade Hamonic before Brodie. Giving a long-term contract to Hamonic would be a mistake (watch him grow cement feet within 2-3 years), he has good market value, and Rasmus could be eased into a top 4 role instead of being handed to the keys to the castle right away.

I wonder if Winnipeg would be opened to trade that 20th overall for Hamonic. They're scary thin at RD after Big Buff (I know they count on Sami Niku to take a big step forward). Hamonic for the 20th straight up might not be enough, but how about we take Kulikov off their hands and buy him out right away?

I'd actually try to trade Hamonic before Brodie. Giving a long-term contract to Hamonic would be a mistake (watch him grow cement feet within 2-3 years), he has good market value, and Rasmus could be eased into a top 4 role instead of being handled to the keys to the castle right away.

I wonder if Winnipeg would be opened to trade that 20th overall for Hamonic. They're scary thin at RD after Big Buff (I know they count on Sami Niku to take a big step forward). Hamonic for the 20th straight up might not be enough, but how about we take Kulikov off their hands and buy him out right away?
- redseerpf

Not enough for Hamonic & Toronto is as close to Winnipeg as Calgary. You can get way more for Hamonic than just the #20 & shouldnt have to take their cap dump to buyout. Jets are in a bad place & in this league, you throw other GM's anchors not life preservers.

Not enough for Hamonic & Toronto is as close to Winnipeg as Calgary. You can get way more for Hamonic than just the #20 & shouldnt have to take their cap dump to buyout. Jets are in a bad place & in this league, you throw other GM's anchors not life preservers.
- Kevin R

I don't think 1 year of Travis Hamonic is enough for the 20th overall, not that close to the draft when picks get this magical premium value.

Again this is a simple case of asset management. Odds are we are going to be lucky to be able to extend one of Brodie or Hamonic. We have one more year left of these two & of the two, I see Hamonic giving us a decent hometown discount to get stability to play in Calgary. Management love his charity work in the community as well.

If the market gets ridiculous you have to sell at least one of them. To me Brodie is that choice & as much as I would love to get another 1st rounder, Hunk may be right about our window being open for the next 3 years, then a move for a Kadri is probably the way to go. If Marner gets well over 10.0 mill per & sounds like he will, Leafs will need to move cap expenditure from the forward group to the blueline. Even if its for a 1 year bandaid like Brodie & I think Flames could probably extract even a higher price for Hamonic. If Dubas offered Tre Kadri & a 2019 2nd & 2020 1st for Hamonic & Jankowski do you do that? Leafs will be over a barrel & time is on our side.
- Kevin R

I would do that trade with TO, all day every day. Not a huge fan of Janko and I think Hammer is more likely to be on the 3rd pairing than the 2nd in a year or two. In fact, i'm way more willing to move Hammer than Brodie.

Brodie has a great contract. They're not getting a better player for less than Brodie makes. The Flames are better this year with Brodie and Frolik than they are with Zucker and draft picks. It doesn't make a lot of sense for a team with Cup aspirations to be trading someone like Frolik. He's the exact type of player contending teams fight over to complete their team at the trade deadline.

It might not have been a rule that was ever written down, but the NHL made it very clear to Vegas that they'd be extremely unhappy with them if they waited until free agency to get two players from a team.

People need to slow down on Andersson. Sure, he had a great rookie season, but it was still his rookie season. He started, what, like four games on the top pairing. Sophomore slumps are a real thing. I'm not sure the team is entirely ready to just make him the everyday top pairing guy and give him 24 minutes a night. Another season without the pressure of being a top pairing guy isn't going to hurt him.
- Hunkulese

Yes, he does have a great contract - which is why you need to consider maximizing that asset now. They aren't re-signing the guy, they can more than ably compete with Ras or Hamonic on the top pair if they had to, and would be adding a legitimate offensive presence and additional speed with a Zucker type, something that crushed them in the playoffs vs. Colorado.

Frolik is not a Flame next year, that's all but guaranteed at this point. He doesn't want to be here, Peters made it pretty clear how he felt about the guy and the agent is a cancer.

Again, you don't need Gio's partner to carry the 1st pairing, Gio did that with Wideman on his other side... Turn Brodie into real assets to compete long term, don't narrow the focus to here and now. You need the cap space to round out the team and can afford to deal from a position of strength and depth.

I would do that trade with TO, all day every day. Not a huge fan of Janko and I think Hammer is more likely to be on the 3rd pairing than the 2nd in a year or two. In fact, i'm way more willing to move Hammer than Brodie.
- tincup

Don't agree on Janko, I think he's the perfect 3rd/4th line center who's gonna stay relatively cheap while providing enormous value on the PK.

Agree 100% on Hamonic though. If the Flames have to trade one, trade his a$s first.

If Brodie is willing to sign a 6x6 contract, I think we should do it and trade Hamonic presto. And expose him to Seattle if we really need aditionnal cap space next summer.

Rasmus is clearly a better player than Brodie today and he will only be better next year so I have zero concern about replacing Brodie with Rasmus.
- DEDDIE

Um, what?

There isn't a single area of the game where Andersson is already better than Brodie unless you're counting hair.

I guess Andersson is a little more physical, but come one, Brodie is clearly the better player.

He should fetch no less than a 1st round pick or an A prospect.

If Braun who is a blackhole at both ends can fetch a 2nd and a 3rd, Brodie who had 34 points last year and is younger should get double that