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RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Jul 10 @ 4:11 PM ET
Lucic for Mantha and AA (salary purposes)
- Reveen.

Lucic and a first for Abdelkader, Daley and Franzen
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Jul 10 @ 4:18 PM ET
Lucic and a first for Abdelkader, Daley and Franzen
- RafiDRW


Damn you are just getting greedy now
EdmHockeyMan
Referee
Location: Lumbridge, AB
Joined: 06.24.2013

Jul 10 @ 7:33 PM ET
We could have had Brogachev
- RatedR80


RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Jul 10 @ 8:59 PM ET
Direct quote from Jesse's agent :

"Yeah it is. In the beg. Jesse was following the media a lot, then you know after a while he wasn't following anymore, but it is. Sometimes CDN media is overwhelming. It's not anybody's fault."

So now it’s on the media? (frank) sakes how many issues does this kid have? He better not end up in a major market then (NY/Toronto etc etc) or they will eat him alive
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Jul 10 @ 11:30 PM ET
Kurt Leavins
@KurtLeavins
Head Scout Tyler Wright’s name has disappeared from the Detroit Red Wings official website.

They might as well announce his arrival to the Oilers now
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Jul 11 @ 5:33 AM ET
Kurt Leavins
@KurtLeavins
Head Scout Tyler Wright’s name has disappeared from the Detroit Red Wings official website.

They might as well announce his arrival to the Oilers now

- RatedR80

Wonder what the Wings do.
Reveen.
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BC
Joined: 09.05.2016

Jul 11 @ 11:56 AM ET
Wonder what the Wings do.
- RafiDRW

Hire Chia
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Jul 11 @ 1:04 PM ET
Hire Chia
- Reveen.

I will disembowel you.
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Jul 11 @ 1:23 PM ET
Mark Spector
@SportsnetSpec
Changes coming to Edmonton Oilers scouting staff.
Former DET Dir. of Amateur Scouting Tyler Wright will join EDM staff, as will pro scout Archie Henderson.
Former DET scout Jeff Finley will not join GM Ken Holland in EDM.


MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jul 11 @ 1:59 PM ET
Mark Spector
@SportsnetSpec
Changes coming to Edmonton Oilers scouting staff.
Former DET Dir. of Amateur Scouting Tyler Wright will join EDM staff, as will pro scout Archie Henderson.
Former DET scout Jeff Finley will not join GM Ken Holland in EDM.

- RatedR80

I've read a couple negative reviews of Henderson as a hockey guy. Both suggest that he's very much an old school purist without an adaptable or innovative bone in his body.
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Jul 11 @ 2:08 PM ET
I've read a couple negative reviews of Henderson as a hockey guy. Both suggest that he's very much an old school purist without an adaptable or innovative bone in his body.
- MaximumBone


Yeah I haven’t seen much for positives on this and Wright being a former Oiler just throws more fuel on the fire
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jul 11 @ 2:30 PM ET
Yeah I haven’t seen much for positives on this and Wright being a former Oiler just throws more fuel on the fire
- RatedR80

I don't have much to say on the Wright hiring. Given he's been head of amateur scouting, I think it's fair to judge their draft history since 2014.

2014: Larkin (great), Turgeon (nyet), Ehn (meh)
2015: Svechnikov (nyet), Saarijarvi (meh), Pearson (perhaps solid)
2016: Cholowski (interesting), Smith (nyet), Hronek (great)
2017: Rasmussen (not keen, but solid)
2018: Zadina (lucky), Veleno (great), Berggren (I'm a fan), McIsaac (good)

I won't include the 2019 Draft given Yzerman's takeover. Seems like it trended well with a few quality picks, but there are some gaps there. I think it's fair to consider his draft history as pretty close to league average.
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Jul 11 @ 3:11 PM ET
I don't have much to say on the Wright hiring. Given he's been head of amateur scouting, I think it's fair to judge their draft history since 2014.

2014: Larkin (great), Turgeon (nyet), Ehn (meh)
2015: Svechnikov (nyet), Saarijarvi (meh), Pearson (perhaps solid)
2016: Cholowski (interesting), Smith (nyet), Hronek (great)
2017: Rasmussen (not keen, but solid)
2018: Zadina (lucky), Veleno (great), Berggren (I'm a fan), McIsaac (good)

I won't include the 2019 Draft given Yzerman's takeover. Seems like it trended well with a few quality picks, but there are some gaps there. I think it's fair to consider his draft history as pretty close to league average.

- MaximumBone


Oilers fans will complain just to complain.....the amateurs scouting isn’t a weakness for us anyways it’s the pro scouting that needs work

Now when I say Oilers fans will complain just to complain I’m not talking about how Holland has been rather inactive this summer on trades and such I’m talking about complaining about Wright because he is a former Oiler.....bigger battles to fight here
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jul 11 @ 3:25 PM ET
How do they replace the goals they lose simply through regression?

While it's absolutely fair count on 40+ goals from Connor, we had three players who had career years (both goal-wise and point-wise) whose production is going to need to be replaced when they come back down to earth. Chiasson scoring 9 more goals than his previous high and ~11 more than his career average, Nuge scoring ~8 more than his career average and Draisaitl spiking to at least 15 more than we should expect of him brings us to a total of ~35 goals that we should reasonably account for losing. Kassian scoring 15 is also a touch out of normalcy but since he's done it before, I think it's fair to exclude him from this.

We can be fairly confident that Khaira getting some more bounces ought to bring his somewhere closer to 8 goals (+5) and Granlund and (likely) Gagner replacing Reider and Rattie should probably account for another 10 goals. Add in some stronger forward depth that in our AHL leaders who got some experience (Currie, Gambo, Cave, Russell) alongside the additional UFAs (Jurco, Nygard, Haas) and we can hope they can translate it into another 5-10 more goals.

We're left relying on Tippett being able to extract value out of the bottom-6 in a way we haven't gotten since 2016-17. Fortunately for us, he has a track record of doing this. The only realistic route to a winning season with the current roster is reducing GA- specifically from the bottom-6. If the bottom-6 can cumulatively be closer to -10 than the almost -30 they were, that alone will do wonders. Nuge will likely be in about the same situation as far as goal-differential goes while the McDuo should be able to negate some of their negatives from early last season when they were separated.

There's hope, but that hope shouldn't be counted on. Any number of things can go horribly wrong. At least they're not counting on any rookies to carry their hopes this time.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jul 11 @ 3:34 PM ET
Oilers fans will complain just to complain.....the amateurs scouting isn’t a weakness for us anyways it’s the pro scouting that needs work

Now when I say Oilers fans will complain just to complain I’m not talking about how Holland has been rather inactive this summer on trades and such I’m talking about complaining about Wright because he is a former Oiler.....bigger battles to fight here

- RatedR80

There's things I would do differently, but I can't argue with the fact that the team is likely best off leaving things be and waiting the cap hell out. It's the unfortunate reality that I've been reluctant to accept but I've understood it's merit. They'll have 24mil heading into next year with only Nurse needing a notable raise from his current rate. Jones and Lagesson are the most likely candidates to rise to the occasion but out-of-left-field D prospects succeeding for one season rarely see a huge spike in pay.

Barring a Nuge trade, it'll likely end up translating into somewhere around 10-12mil in free space after resigning guys. Put that money towards a top-6 guy or two and hope that one of Benson, Marody, Yamamoto or Maksimov are ready for 2nd line minutes and I think there's potential for a big turnaround.
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Jul 11 @ 3:40 PM ET
How do they replace the goals they lose simply through regression?

While it's absolutely fair count on 40+ goals from Connor, we had three players who had career years (both goal-wise and point-wise) whose production is going to need to be replaced when they come back down to earth. Chiasson scoring 9 more goals than his previous high and ~11 more than his career average, Nuge scoring ~8 more than his career average and Draisaitl spiking to at least 15 more than we should expect of him brings us to a total of ~35 goals that we should reasonably account for losing. Kassian scoring 15 is also a touch out of normalcy but since he's done it before, I think it's fair to exclude him from this.

We can be fairly confident that Khaira getting some more bounces ought to bring his somewhere closer to 8 goals (+5) and Granlund and (likely) Gagner replacing Reider and Rattie should probably account for another 10 goals. Add in some stronger forward depth that in our AHL leaders who got some experience (Currie, Gambo, Cave, Russell) alongside the additional UFAs (Jurco, Nygard, Haas) and we can hope they can translate it into another 5-10 more goals.

We're left relying on Tippett being able to extract value out of the bottom-6 in a way we haven't gotten since 2016-17. Fortunately for us, he has a track record of doing this. The only realistic route to a winning season with the current roster is reducing GA- specifically from the bottom-6. If the bottom-6 can cumulatively be closer to -10 than the almost -30 they were, that alone will do wonders. Nuge will likely be in about the same situation as far as goal-differential goes while the McDuo should be able to negate some of their negatives from early last season when they were separated.

There's hope, but that hope shouldn't be counted on. Any number of things can go horribly wrong. At least they're not counting on any rookies to carry their hopes this time.

- MaximumBone


The Leon and Connor duo will have another productive season.....even if there is a tad of a slide it won’t be too much.....Nuge is the real question for me and not because of skill but who will be playing on his wings.....the bottom 6 can’t really get any worse then it was last season so we can only hope that Tippett can drag it out of them......can Nurse match or improve on last season because we need it....can Klefbom stay healthy because we need his production as well....Larsson needs a bounce back year too.....lots of things have to go right with this team in its current form
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Jul 11 @ 3:43 PM ET
There's things I would do differently, but I can't argue with the fact that the team is likely best off leaving things be and waiting the cap hell out. It's the unfortunate reality that I've been reluctant to accept but I've understood it's merit. They'll have 24mil heading into next year with only Nurse needing a notable raise from his current rate. Jones and Lagesson are the most likely candidates to rise to the occasion but out-of-left-field D prospects succeeding for one season rarely see a huge spike in pay.

Barring a Nuge trade, it'll likely end up translating into somewhere around 10-12mil in free space after resigning guys. Put that money towards a top-6 guy or two and hope that one of Benson, Marody, Yamamoto or Maksimov are ready for 2nd line minutes and I think there's potential for a big turnaround.

- MaximumBone


I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what will end up happening but I hope Holland has learned his lesson on spending or we will just fall right back into the same old issues.....24 mil with not that many to resign certainly leaves enough space to fill a need or two
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jul 11 @ 3:52 PM ET
I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what will end up happening but I hope Holland has learned his lesson on spending or we will just fall right back into the same old issues.....24 mil with not that many to resign certainly leaves enough space to fill a need or two
- RatedR80

Oh, there's plenty of people to resign/sign; of the current roster, only 10 still have contracts beyond this year. There'll certainly be some major turnover, but it's mostly on the low-ends and we have a good collection of burgeoning youth to replace them with. I wouldn't be surprised if the bottom-6 going into 2020-21 looked something like this:

UFA- Marody- Currie/Nygard
Gambo- Khaira- Chiasson
Russell

Cheap, Tippett-taught and hopefully effective.
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Jul 11 @ 3:56 PM ET
Oh, there's plenty of people to resign/sign; of the current roster, only 10 still have contracts beyond this year. There'll certainly be some major turnover, but it's mostly on the low-ends and we have a good collection of burgeoning youth to replace them with. I wouldn't be surprised if the bottom-6 going into 2020-21 looked something like this:

UFA- Marody- Currie/Nygard
Gambo- Khaira- Chiasson
Russell

Cheap, Tippett-taught and hopefully effective.

- MaximumBone


Yes lots to resign but none of which will cost us like Nurse will for example so I do expect enough cap space to pursue a top 6 forward but we shall see....lots can happen between now and next off season....good thing about this is you will have a lot of guys playing for jobs which could turn out to be beneficial
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Jul 11 @ 4:43 PM ET
Tippett said he is spending his summer watching all of the Oilers and Condors games....I wonder how many Oilers games he watches till he says screw it and just watches Condors games
wreckage
Florida Panthers
Location: Fuck Putin, fire Holland, AB
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 11 @ 5:59 PM ET
Looks like Puj's agent is backtracking now. Says the media put words in his mouth about going over to Europe if not traded.
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Jul 11 @ 6:00 PM ET
Looks like Puj's agent is backtracking now. Says the media put words in his mouth about going over to Europe if not traded.
- wreckage


He also says the media is a reason JP wants out.....how long till JP fires this clown? He is not helping him at all in this process
wreckage
Florida Panthers
Location: Fuck Putin, fire Holland, AB
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 11 @ 6:49 PM ET
He also says the media is a reason JP wants out.....how long till JP fires this clown? He is not helping him at all in this process
- RatedR80


For his sake, it better happen soon. GMs are gonna soon stop dealing with this clown if this is how he conducts business. Threatening to take his ball and go home will have GMs saying well here is the offer, take it or leave it.
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Jul 11 @ 6:52 PM ET
For his sake, it better happen soon. GMs are gonna soon stop dealing with this clown if this is how he conducts business. Threatening to take his ball and go home will have GMs saying well here is the offer, take it or leave it.
- wreckage


I’m pretty sure it’s hurt us in terms of getting a trade done....can’t see other GMs lining up to deal with this idiot when his client has proven to this point that he isn’t even a very good player
Reveen.
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BC
Joined: 09.05.2016

Jul 11 @ 7:37 PM ET
Pulju and his agent need to go rot in siberia
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