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buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:21 PM ET
All charts are small pieces of the puzzle. Eye test is extremely important. One of the best analytics is, how does the team perform with said player on the ice. If it's bad, you look at his linemates. If all, or most, are better without said player, you know who the weak link is.

Laine is Ristolainen and Ristolainen is Laine.

- TheSabresTaco



I really wish this was more of a thing back in the Derek Roy years. I mean 2011 kind of proved it, but still...
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:22 PM ET
ristoLAINEn

coincidence?

- jcragcrumple



More like government conspiracy.
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Just t3xted sabres going with chiquorin-buffalo39, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:22 PM ET
Guys who cares who is better among Skinner and Laine if we have both?
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:22 PM ET
Canadiens avoid arbitration with F Joel Armia and sign him to a 2-year, $5.2M contract
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Beyotch-trill
Joined: 02.10.2011

Jul 11 @ 1:23 PM ET
ristoLAINEn

coincidence?

- jcragcrumple



👀👀👀
hehateme
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 04.11.2017

Jul 11 @ 1:23 PM ET
Guys who cares who is better among Skinner and Laine if we have both?
- Mentalorgasm5


is this a trick question?

jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 11 @ 1:24 PM ET
More like government conspiracy.
- buffalofan19


Cants spell rEptILiANs without LAINE
matty12345
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.11.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:25 PM ET
Classic Buffalo fans. In a discussion about whether you want to trade for an elite goal scorer (fantasy anyway), it has turned into an argument about who is worse, Skinner or Laine.

God forbid we have two nice things at the same time.

Henry OR McGahee
Lynch OR Spiller
Moulds OR Evans
Briere OR Drury
Hasek OR Goal Scorers

Wouldn't Skinner AND Laine be fun? You know like the leafs, who get Tavares when they already have Matthews. Or pretty much any other sports team, that understands that if one star is good, two stars are better.

Instead, we just keep throwing money at 14 goal scorers who used to score 20 when they played with a star.
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Just t3xted sabres going with chiquorin-buffalo39, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:25 PM ET
is this a trick question?
- hehateme

No, its a treat.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:26 PM ET
👀👀👀
- Powerslave



How exactly are these posted?
hehateme
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 04.11.2017

Jul 11 @ 1:27 PM ET
Classic Buffalo fans. In a discussion about whether you want to trade for an elite goal scorer (fantasy anyway), it has turned into an argument about who is worse, Skinner or Laine.

God forbid we have two nice things at the same time.

Henry OR McGahee
Lynch OR Spiller
Moulds OR Evans
Briere OR Drury
Hasek OR Goal Scorers

Wouldn't Skinner AND Laine be fun? You know like the leafs, who get Tavares when they already have Matthews. Or pretty much any other sports team, that understands that if one star is good, two stars are better.

Instead, we just keep throwing money at 14 goal scorers who used to score 20 when they played with a star.

- matty12345


hey nobody ever accused Buffalo Sabres fans as being smart....
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 11 @ 1:28 PM ET
Classic Buffalo fans. In a discussion about whether you want to trade for an elite goal scorer (fantasy anyway), it has turned into an argument about who is worse, Skinner or Laine.

God forbid we have two nice things at the same time.

Henry OR McGahee
Lynch OR Spiller
Moulds OR Evans
Briere OR Drury
Hasek OR Goal Scorers

Wouldn't Skinner AND Laine be fun? You know like the leafs, who get Tavares when they already have Matthews. Or pretty much any other sports team, that understands that if one star is good, two stars are better.

Instead, we just keep throwing money at 14 goal scorers who used to score 20 when they played with a star.

- matty12345



In a cap world, it's a fair question to ask whether it makes sense to pay Laine and Skinner $19m combined
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Just t3xted sabres going with chiquorin-buffalo39, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:29 PM ET
In a cap world, it's a fair question to ask whether it makes sense to pay Laine and Skinner $19m combined
- jcragcrumple

It does make sense.

It doesnt make sense to pay

bogo 5.14
scandella 4
Sobotka 3.5
Okposo 6

3 of them are gone next year, if we can get Laine, get Laine.
Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Jul 11 @ 1:30 PM ET
Fattlestadt. Mcfatstadt has an interview up on nhl.com

Talks about being chunky, skinner had him under his wing, and that the new faces are exciting. Kind of threw Housley under the bus
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would pick Heiskanen and Provorov over Dahlin. But still not in my top 10. - MaximusAurelius, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 11 @ 1:31 PM ET
ristoLAINEn

coincidence?

- jcragcrumple


jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 11 @ 1:31 PM ET
It does make sense.

It doesnt make sense to pay

bogo 5.14
scandella 4
Sobotka 3.5
Okposo 6

3 of them are gone next year, if we can get Laine, get Laine.

- Mentalorgasm5


If he's interested in a bridge deal worth $6.5-7.5, sure. No damn way they should hand him an $80m deal
turbo044
Joined: 02.18.2009

Jul 11 @ 1:32 PM ET
It does make sense.

It doesnt make sense to pay

bogo 5.14
scandella 4
Sobotka 3.5
Okposo 6

3 of them are gone next year, if we can get Laine, get Laine.

- Mentalorgasm5


Hopefully at least one of them will be traded this year??
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would pick Heiskanen and Provorov over Dahlin. But still not in my top 10. - MaximusAurelius, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 11 @ 1:32 PM ET
Yes.
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- ImThatGuy


I know it's not what you said, but paying each the same contract is saying you value them equally.

That's... that's a-not-a-good-a
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would bet my life savings that Cody Franson would outplay Ristolainen if given 20 minutes per nigh, GA
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 11 @ 1:32 PM ET
It does make sense.

It doesnt make sense to pay

bogo 5.14
scandella 4
Sobotka 3.5
Okposo 6

3 of them are gone next year, if we can get Laine, get Laine.

- Mentalorgasm5


Especially if the cost is Risto.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:32 PM ET
I would think so. He's a RHD that you don't have to give additional assets up for.

If Gardiner is looking for term, and it's not there, that could be the hold up.

I would think Gardiner has to sign before a move is made, or a team that is in on Gardiner doesn't want to wait.

- thatsapickle


He shoots left handed
hehateme
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 04.11.2017

Jul 11 @ 1:32 PM ET
In a cap world, it's a fair question to ask whether it makes sense to pay Laine and Skinner $19m combined
- jcragcrumple


Why does the fan have to care about the cap? I'll bet you right now if we got Laine and Skinner, Made the payoffs and by the grace of the hockey gods won the cup would ANYONE really care if we were in cap jail or had to go through a rebuild again?

I just want to win, I could care less what they pay players, just win.

IndianaSabresFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Matt FRICKIN ELLIS, IN
Joined: 01.17.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:33 PM ET
Fattlestadt. Mcfatstadt has an interview up on nhl.com

Talks about being chunky, skinner had him under his wing, and that the new faces are exciting. Kind of threw Housley under the bus

- Sabretooth9

Was it a short bus
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would pick Heiskanen and Provorov over Dahlin. But still not in my top 10. - MaximusAurelius, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 11 @ 1:33 PM ET
Canadiens avoid arbitration with F Joel Armia and sign him to a 2-year, $5.2M contract
- adambuffalo


Surprised he didn't get 9 per year.
matty12345
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.11.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:33 PM ET
In a cap world, it's a fair question to ask whether it makes sense to pay Laine and Skinner $19m combined
- jcragcrumple


I didn't see anyone mad that MoJo (who will struggle to get 20 goals) was given 4.5. Don't see why giving Laine 9 to score twice as many is a bad idea.

TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would pick Heiskanen and Provorov over Dahlin. But still not in my top 10. - MaximusAurelius, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 11 @ 1:34 PM ET
Classic Buffalo fans. In a discussion about whether you want to trade for an elite goal scorer (fantasy anyway), it has turned into an argument about who is worse, Skinner or Laine.

God forbid we have two nice things at the same time.

Henry OR McGahee
Lynch OR Spiller
Moulds OR Evans
Briere OR Drury
Hasek OR Goal Scorers

Wouldn't Skinner AND Laine be fun? You know like the leafs, who get Tavares when they already have Matthews. Or pretty much any other sports team, that understands that if one star is good, two stars are better.

Instead, we just keep throwing money at 14 goal scorers who used to score 20 when they played with a star.

- matty12345


This conversation shouldn't be about whether Skinner is better than Laine. It should be about, if Laine is going to make 10M (I'd be hard pressed to see that), is there a better way to spend that kind of money.
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