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homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I think we will be good, in 2037, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 11 @ 1:34 PM ET
That's not necessarily a good metric. There's a "moron factor" with coaches that's missing in that analysis.
- buffalofan19

jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 11 @ 1:35 PM ET
I didn't see anyone mad that MoJo (who will struggle to get 20 goals) was given 4.5. Don't see why giving Laine 9 to score twice as many is a bad idea.
- matty12345


I'm still waiting for someone to address the fact that during Laine's best 2 years, he shot 17% and 18%
IndianaSabresFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Matt FRICKIN ELLIS, IN
Joined: 01.17.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:35 PM ET
Who’s better
- gerbe75pts

You have made it sound like you are a top notch receiver in some of your posts. So you?
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:35 PM ET

- homiedclown



Precisely.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would pick Heiskanen and Provorov over Dahlin. But still not in my top 10. - MaximusAurelius, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 11 @ 1:35 PM ET
Fattlestadt. Mcfatstadt has an interview up on nhl.com

Talks about being chunky, skinner had him under his wing, and that the new faces are exciting. Kind of threw Housley under the bus

- Sabretooth9


I'm diving in, cheeseburger in hand
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I think we will be good, in 2037, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 11 @ 1:36 PM ET
ristoLAINEn

coincidence?

- jcragcrumple

jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:38 PM ET
Look at his 15 powerplay goals from this year. He sits right where Eichel does. Are we going to bump Eichel to PP2?
- jcragcrumple


Jack doesn’t really have a spot anymore though
Didn’t they start moving him around a bunch bc teams were keying on him when he just set up in that “OV spot” at the top of the circle

Imagine having Jack on 1 side & a guy like Laine on the other
That’s a PP that would be extremely tough to defend
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO NY, NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jul 11 @ 1:39 PM ET
If he's interested in a bridge deal worth $6.5-7.5, sure. No damn way they should hand him an $80m deal
- jcragcrumple



Hey jgrags, we traded for another good defenseman


Step back from the ledge, we have now changed 6 out of 18 starting skaters from last year. (Including goaloffson)

Keep doubting botts in early july?
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 11 @ 1:41 PM ET
Jack doesn’t really have a spot anymore though
Didn’t they start moving him around a bunch bc teams were keying on him when he just set up in that “OV spot” at the top of the circle

Imagine having Jack on 1 side & a guy like Laine on the other
That’s a PP that would be extremely tough to defend

- jdfitz77


Yes, Phil (frank)ed around with it and finally came back to his senses. Olofsson or Dahlin need to play the opposite side with their left shots.

Laine would be opposite of them, currently where Eichel is
matty12345
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.11.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:41 PM ET
I'm still waiting for someone to address the fact that during Laine's best 2 years, he shot 17% and 18%
- jcragcrumple


Not that crazy. Dude has one of the 5 best shots in the league. Stamkos shoots up around there. If anything, his percentage went down when he was demoted to the third line and presumably played with worse players and saw worse shooting opportunities.

He shot 12.2% last year in a really rough year, which is still over a percent higher than Skinner's average. He probably shoots somewhere around 14-15 on Eichel's wing with Skinner on the other side. Still should be enough with our mobile defense core to get 40ish every year.

I'd happily sign up for that. We would be talking about one of the 2-3 best lines in hockey. When was the last time we were the best at anything?
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jul 11 @ 1:42 PM ET
I'm still waiting for someone to address the fact that during Laine's best 2 years, he shot 17% and 18%
- jcragcrumple


What is there to address? He has an amazing shot and is shooting close to 16% for his career. Don't you expect him to bounce back to 15-17% this year?
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 11 @ 1:43 PM ET
What is there to address? He has an amazing shot and is shooting close to 16% for his career. Don't you expect him to bounce back to 15-17% this year?
- Lunaion


Stamkos has the best active shooting % in the league at 16.9

He has to be literally the best shooter in the league to get there. If you think he is, then he will
ajb2493
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Stamford, CT
Joined: 07.02.2015

Jul 11 @ 1:44 PM ET
Yes, Phil (frank)ed around with it and finally came back to his senses. Olofsson or Dahlin need to play the opposite side with their left shots.

Laine would be opposite of them, currently where Eichel is

- jcragcrumple


Do you consider putting Eichel on the point? Something like...

Laine - Reinhart - Olofsson

Eichel - Montour/Joker/Risto

That leaves Dahlin off of the PP1, but could slot him down to the PP2 and have two great units.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would pick Heiskanen and Provorov over Dahlin. But still not in my top 10. - MaximusAurelius, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 11 @ 1:44 PM ET
"And [as far as coaching], I think everyone's excited for a new voice, a new person behind the bench just to change things up."

His only "burn".. not that bad, pretty much indicative of the end of two poopty seasons.

Didn't talk about losing weight, gaining lean mass. I'm sure this will be driven into the ground at camp.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:46 PM ET
"And
- TheSabresTaco[as far as coaching], I think everyone's excited for a new voice, a new person behind the bench just to change things up."

His only "burn".. not that bad, pretty much indicative of the end of two poopty seasons.

Didn't talk about losing weight, gaining lean mass. I'm sure this will be driven into the ground at camp.

Who said that?
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jul 11 @ 1:46 PM ET
Jack doesn’t really have a spot anymore though
Didn’t they start moving him around a bunch bc teams were keying on him when he just set up in that “OV spot” at the top of the circle

Imagine having Jack on 1 side & a guy like Laine on the other
That’s a PP that would be extremely tough to defend

- jdfitz77


Of course he has a spot. They just used the most transparent tactic in the world and started him on the right side and let him slide over to the left. Every team in the league saw right through it.

Johansson or Olofsson balance out the PP nicely. Both provide the left shot threat they've been lacking.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 11 @ 1:47 PM ET
Hey jgrags, we traded for another good defenseman


Step back from the ledge, we have now changed 6 out of 18 starting skaters from last year. (Including goaloffson)

Keep doubting botts in early july?

- Boss34


Thanks for the update, boss
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:47 PM ET
Stamkos has the best active shooting % in the league at 16.9

He has to be literally the best shooter in the league to get there. If you think he is, then he will

- jcragcrumple



So you're saying all I have to do is believe?
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:49 PM ET
Proof that Darwin was wrong.

https://deadspin.com/here...ll-in-pamplona-1836280198
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jul 11 @ 1:49 PM ET
Stamkos has the best active shooting % in the league at 16.9

He has to be literally the best shooter in the league to get there. If you think he is, then he will

- jcragcrumple


I don't watch a ton of Jet's games, but he just might be. Part of putting up a high % is keeping your shot volume down. OV's great, but he's a volume shooter.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would bet my life savings that Cody Franson would outplay Ristolainen if given 20 minutes per nigh, GA
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 11 @ 1:51 PM ET
I'm still waiting for someone to address the fact that during Laine's best 2 years, he shot 17% and 18%
- jcragcrumple


Even is he regresses some he has one of the best shots in the league. It will give around 13-14% IMO.

Just as the argument for Skinner is he is with Eichel he will score more, would that not be the same for Laine?

In fact wouldn’t
Skinner - Eichel - Laine

Be dominant.

VO - Mitts - Reinhart as your 2nd line. Any of those players are interchangeable in the top 6 if you need a line shakeup.

You then have
Vesey - Erod - Johansson
Again two wingers who can move up in a pinch.

That offense is very good.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 11 @ 1:53 PM ET
hey nobody ever accused Buffalo Sabres fans as being smart....

- hehateme



As a matter of fact I referred all us as sh!theads last night.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would pick Heiskanen and Provorov over Dahlin. But still not in my top 10. - MaximusAurelius, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 11 @ 1:55 PM ET
Who said that?
- buffalofan19


Middlingstats
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:56 PM ET
Even is he regresses some he has one of the best shots in the league. It will give around 13-14% IMO.

Just as the argument for Skinner is he is with Eichel he will score more, would that not be the same for Laine?

In fact wouldn’t
Skinner - Eichel - Laine

Be dominant.

VO - Mitts - Reinhart as your 2nd line. Any of those players are interchangeable in the top 6 if you need a line shakeup.

You then have
Vesey - Erod - Johansson
Again two wingers who can move up in a pinch.

That offense is very good.

- ImThatGuy


All of this is correct, but the point of an offersheet is to get the other team not to match. And that's disregarding the four firsts. It's not going to be 7 years at $70 million that gets it done. It's probably 7 years at $77-$84 million that gets Winnipeg to consider walking. Is that, along with the four firsts, still worth it?
hehateme
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 04.11.2017

Jul 11 @ 1:56 PM ET
Even is he regresses some he has one of the best shots in the league. It will give around 13-14% IMO.

Just as the argument for Skinner is he is with Eichel he will score more, would that not be the same for Laine?

In fact wouldn’t
Skinner - Eichel - Laine

Be dominant.

VO - Mitts - Reinhart as your 2nd line. Any of those players are interchangeable in the top 6 if you need a line shakeup.

You then have
Vesey - Erod - Johansson
Again two wingers who can move up in a pinch.

That offense is very good.

- ImThatGuy


That would be a franking outstanding line up of top 9 forwards. And it is very doable money wise. Buffalo has a lot coming off the books next year and if we can find ANYONE to take Okposo we would be set.
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