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jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 11 @ 1:57 PM ET
Even is he regresses some he has one of the best shots in the league. It will give around 13-14% IMO.

Just as the argument for Skinner is he is with Eichel he will score more, would that not be the same for Laine?

In fact wouldn’t
Skinner - Eichel - Laine

Be dominant.

VO - Mitts - Reinhart as your 2nd line. Any of those players are interchangeable in the top 6 if you need a line shakeup.

You then have
Vesey - Erod - Johansson
Again two wingers who can move up in a pinch.

That offense is very good.

- ImThatGuy


I would like to have him, especially if the price is Risto, but I wouldn't do the $10/80 deal. A bridge deal worth $7-7.5? Sure. And then when the sample size of his shooting percentage is expanded, gladly give him the max deal
ajb2493
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Stamford, CT
Joined: 07.02.2015

Jul 11 @ 1:57 PM ET
All of this is correct, but the point of an offersheet is to get the other team not to match. And that's disregarding the four firsts. It's not going to be 7 years at $70 million that gets it done. It's probably 7 years at $77-$84 million that gets Winnipeg to consider walking. Is that, along with the four firsts, still worth it?
- buffalofan19


I think that this isn't a question of an offer sheet, but a trade. We offer Risto ++ for Laine, and then sign him to the $10MM contract.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 11 @ 1:59 PM ET
I think that this isn't a question of an offer sheet, but a trade. We offer Risto ++ for Laine, and then sign him to the $10MM contract.
- ajb2493



If I'm a Winnipeg fan, and my team trades Laine, and the best piece I get back is Ristolainen, I'm absolutely livid, regardless of how bad a season he had last year.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would bet my life savings that Cody Franson would outplay Ristolainen if given 20 minutes per nigh, GA
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 11 @ 1:59 PM ET
If I'm a Winnipeg fan, and my team trades Laine, and the best piece I get back is Ristolainen, I'm absolutely livid, regardless of how bad a season he had last year.
- buffalofan19


Oh absolutely. This all stemmed from 89 saying Sabres talked to Jets about Laine and Risto.
hehateme
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 04.11.2017

Jul 11 @ 2:01 PM ET
If I'm a Winnipeg fan, and my team trades Laine, and the best piece I get back is Ristolainen, I'm absolutely livid, regardless of how bad a season he had last year.
- buffalofan19


oh it would take a lot more then just Risto.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:01 PM ET
Penalties drawn last three years

Skinner - 75
Laine -32

- sbroads24


So roughly 10 more penalties per year,
which equals about 2 more goals

That’s not very significant Broads
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:03 PM ET
oh it would take a lot more then just Risto.
- hehateme



Right, but "Ristolainen ++" implies that he is the best piece coming back. There's no way that Winnipeg does that if that's the case, regardless of what the "++" is.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would bet my life savings that Cody Franson would outplay Ristolainen if given 20 minutes per nigh, GA
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 11 @ 2:03 PM ET
Right, but "Ristolainen ++" implies that he is the best piece coming back. There's no way that Winnipeg does that if that's the case, regardless of what the "++" is.
- buffalofan19


Ya never know.

GMs are dumb sometimes.
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Olives, Green. Las Vegas Via Buffalo New York
Joined: 02.17.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:04 PM ET
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. went 2-for-4 with a double and two runs scored in Sunday's win over the Orioles.
Guerrero is now up to 13 doubles on the season. In addition, the rookie third baseman is hitting .249/.328/.413 with eight home runs, 25 RBI and 29 runs scored through 61 games played. No rest for the much-hyped third baseman as we hit the All-Star break, though, as Guerrero will be taking part in the Home Run Derby on Monday.


Yea, he's gonna look real good in a Yankees's jersey very soon.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 11 @ 2:05 PM ET
I don't watch a ton of Jet's games, but he just might be. Part of putting up a high % is keeping your shot volume down. OV's great, but he's a volume shooter.
- Lunaion


Same, and maybe

I'd still like to see a couple more seasons before deciding which was the aberration, the two high shooting % seasons, or last year when he shot 12%

If you're giving the max deal, you're making that decision pretty quickly
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jul 11 @ 2:09 PM ET
So roughly 10 more penalties per year,
which equals about 2 more goals

That’s not very significant Broads

- jdfitz77

But it’s 2 more goals that isn’t being included in the equation

ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would bet my life savings that Cody Franson would outplay Ristolainen if given 20 minutes per nigh, GA
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 11 @ 2:09 PM ET
Same, and maybe

I'd still like to see a couple more seasons before deciding which was the aberration, the two high shooting % seasons, or last year when he shot 12%

If you're giving the max deal, you're making that decision pretty quickly

- jcragcrumple


300 shots a year say with a 12% is still 36 goals. Which is his average first three years in.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would pick Heiskanen and Provorov over Dahlin. But still not in my top 10. - MaximusAurelius, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 11 @ 2:09 PM ET
I feel like now is a good time to point out Hall was traded for Adam Larsson. Do with that information as you will.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I think we will be good, in 2037, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 11 @ 2:10 PM ET
Proof that Darwin was wrong.






- buffalofan19



agreed
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would bet my life savings that Cody Franson would outplay Ristolainen if given 20 minutes per nigh, GA
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 11 @ 2:11 PM ET
I feel like now is a good time to point out Hall was traded for Adam Larsson. Do with that information as you will.
- TheSabresTaco


I wanted to point out some of the same things were said about Hall here.

That the Sabres didn’t need an overpaid, underproducing winger.

Those days were fun.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:11 PM ET
I think it's riskier to give Laine $10m and hope he shoots at a stratospheric 17-18% which is what he needs to do to get back to where we was before this year
- jcragcrumple


Can’t u say the same thing about Skinner??
Wasn’t his shooting% a bit above his career totals as well
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 11 @ 2:12 PM ET
300 shots a year say with a 12% is still 36 goals. Which is his average first three years in.
- ImThatGuy


He shot the most shots he's ever shot this year, and scored the fewest goals he ever scored
IceColdBeer
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Boston, MA
Joined: 07.18.2011

Jul 11 @ 2:12 PM ET
I feel like now is a good time to point out Hall was traded for Adam Larsson. Do with that information as you will.
- TheSabresTaco


Botts strategy is to acquire all the defensemen in the market and then force a team to give up their best winger/center. Genius.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I think we will be good, in 2037, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 11 @ 2:13 PM ET
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. went 2-for-4 with a double and two runs scored in Sunday's win over the Orioles.
Guerrero is now up to 13 doubles on the season. In addition, the rookie third baseman is hitting .249/.328/.413 with eight home runs, 25 RBI and 29 runs scored through 61 games played. No rest for the much-hyped third baseman as we hit the All-Star break, though, as Guerrero will be taking part in the Home Run Derby on Monday.


Yea, he's gonna look real good in a Yankees's jersey very soon.

- SABRES 89




thatsapickle
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 03.08.2012

Jul 11 @ 2:13 PM ET
I feel like now is a good time to point out Hall was traded for Adam Larsson. Do with that information as you will.
- TheSabresTaco



It was also Peter Chiarelli.

That's not something to scoff at.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 11 @ 2:14 PM ET
Can’t u say the same thing about Skinner??
Wasn’t his shooting% a bit above his career totals as well

- jdfitz77


Yeah, but Jeff Skinner shot 14.9, which would not require him to have the best shot in the NHL

His career is 11.2, and he has shot 13-14% on three different occasions
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would bet my life savings that Cody Franson would outplay Ristolainen if given 20 minutes per nigh, GA
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 11 @ 2:14 PM ET
He shot the most shots he's ever shot this year, and scored the fewest goals he ever scored
- jcragcrumple


Argument for Skinner “playing with Eichel will raise his % and keep it there” it shows this is his Highest % to date.

Argument for Laine “his shooting is at an all time low and it could stay that way”

Seems a little off to me.
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Olives, Green. Las Vegas Via Buffalo New York
Joined: 02.17.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:14 PM ET

- homiedclown

I'll be laughing my ass off when's he's our 3rd baseman.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would pick Heiskanen and Provorov over Dahlin. But still not in my top 10. - MaximusAurelius, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 11 @ 2:14 PM ET
I wanted to point out some of the same things were said about Hall here.

That the Sabres didn’t need an overpaid, underproducing winger.

Those days were fun.

- ImThatGuy


Comparing both of their 3rd years in the league, Hall blew Laine out of the (frank)ing water in all around talent and ability.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would bet my life savings that Cody Franson would outplay Ristolainen if given 20 minutes per nigh, GA
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 11 @ 2:15 PM ET
Yeah, but Jeff Skinner shot 14.9, which would not require him to have the best shot in the NHL

His career is 11.2, and he has shot 13-14% on three different occasions

- jcragcrumple


He has also shot at 7-9% 4 times...
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