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Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jul 11 @ 2:15 PM ET
Same, and maybe

I'd still like to see a couple more seasons before deciding which was the aberration, the two high shooting % seasons, or last year when he shot 12%

If you're giving the max deal, you're making that decision pretty quickly

- jcragcrumple


Don't disagree with anything you're saying here. Just think he's extremely likely to bounce back to 15%+. A touch above or below his career %.

I don't see him as an ideal or realistic fit here, but of course you still check in with WPG on him.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:15 PM ET
Comparing both of their 3rd years in the league, Hall blew Laine out of the (frank)ing water in all around talent and ability.
- TheSabresTaco



That, and moronic trades like that are the exception, not the rule.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 11 @ 2:16 PM ET
Botts strategy is to acquire all the defensemen in the market and then force a team to give up their best winger/center. Genius.
- IceColdBeer


*picks up 3 waiver wire guys
*puts 2 waiver wire guys and a bench player into trade for elite starter
*gets elite starter 3/5 times
*profit
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 11 @ 2:16 PM ET
Comparing both of their 3rd years in the league, Hall blew Laine out of the (frank)ing water in all around talent and ability.
- TheSabresTaco


Oh absolutely, but people here and on other boards for some reason hated Oft injured not very good, overpaid Taylor Hall.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 11 @ 2:17 PM ET
That, and moronic trades like that are the exception, not the rule.
- buffalofan19


Jim Benning wants Ristolainen. So does Jeremy Rutherford and Paul Fenton.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 11 @ 2:18 PM ET
Argument for Skinner “playing with Eichel will raise his % and keep it there” it shows this is his Highest % to date.

Argument for Laine “his shooting is at an all time low and it could stay that way”

Seems a little off to me.

- ImThatGuy


The argument for Skinner is that 13-14% while high, is something he has done, and it is not an absurd sh%

The argument against Laine is that 17-18% requires him to have the best shot in the game, literally. If you believe he does, then I get it
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 11 @ 2:19 PM ET
Oh absolutely, but people here and on other boards for some reason hated Oft injured not very good, overpaid Taylor Hall.
- ImThatGuy


I wanted Hall in a bad way. I thought way more of Risto then than I do now of course, but I still would make that trade no problem.

I'm glad we finally have a GM who can cut the cord with an underwhelming prospect. Darcy let them die on the vine and Murray just said gtfo idc
thatsapickle
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 03.08.2012

Jul 11 @ 2:20 PM ET
I think we can all realistically think that Laine for Risto is a pipe dream anyway.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Jul 11 @ 2:21 PM ET
post more, need to see that avatar every freaking day
- homiedclown

well good sir, I must oblige.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 11 @ 2:22 PM ET
The argument for Skinner is that 13-14% while high, is something he has done, and it is not an absurd sh%

The argument against Laine is that 17-18% requires him to have the best shot in the game, literally. If you believe he does, then I get it

- jcragcrumple


And Laine for two straight years shot at above 15%.
Skinner has also shot below 10% four times. Is that not a concern.

If Laine shoots more and his shot % drops to skinner average he’d still be a 35+ goal guy.
IceColdBeer
Buffalo Sabres
Location: The CLT, NC
Joined: 07.18.2011

Jul 11 @ 2:22 PM ET
I think we can all realistically think that Laine for Risto is a pipe dream anyway.
- thatsapickle


GMs fall in love with players not on their team, and fall out of love with players on their team all of the time.
Chris16
Buffalo Sabres
Location: CT
Joined: 06.22.2012

Jul 11 @ 2:22 PM ET
Came in here for a little break but as I started backreading I realized it will be more fun going back to work.

ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 11 @ 2:24 PM ET
Came in here for a little break but as I started backreading I realized it will be more fun going back to work.
- Chris16

Get involved.
Be the voice the of argument
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 11 @ 2:25 PM ET
well good sir, I must oblige.
- Fakepartofme

Chris16
Buffalo Sabres
Location: CT
Joined: 06.22.2012

Jul 11 @ 2:28 PM ET
Get involved.
Be the voice the of argument

- ImThatGuy


I like olives.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 11 @ 2:28 PM ET
Get involved.
Be the voice the of argument

- ImThatGuy

elie
scott wilson
ryan miller
ryan o reilly
nylander
laine
skinner
risto

boobs
beer
movies
spanking
hookers
blow

gerbe



pizza
wings
pierogi night



chicago
hamilton
lockport
toronto



that's enough to stir the pot
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 11 @ 2:29 PM ET
elie
scott wilson
ryan miller
ryan o reilly
nylander
laine
skinner
risto

boobs
beer
movies
spanking
hookers
blow

gerbe



pizza
wings
pierogi night



chicago
hamilton
lockport
toronto



that's enough to stir the pot

- homiedclown


I had stuffed banana pepper pierogis the other night, holy damn were they good.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 11 @ 2:30 PM ET
I had stuffed banana pepper pierogis the other night, holy damn were they good.
- ImThatGuy

ask terry and kim to put it on the menu
matty12345
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.11.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:32 PM ET
ask terry and kim to put it on the menu
- homiedclown


It's Kim and Terry.
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:33 PM ET
Hopefully at least one of them will be traded this year??
- turbo044

If they trade one of those, and work out a package involving risto to WPG, we have no problem paying Laine 9
Khmylev
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'll take some olives on my pizza!, NY
Joined: 03.13.2015

Jul 11 @ 2:33 PM ET
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 11 @ 2:35 PM ET
And Laine for two straight years shot at above 15%.
Skinner has also shot below 10% four times. Is that not a concern.

If Laine shoots more and his shot % drops to skinner average he’d still be a 35+ goal guy.

- ImThatGuy


Yeah, who knows where their averages settle into, I'm just not ready to board the Laine hype train.

Not that you ever said it, but Gerbe was saying:

"Ehlers with jack be rocket winner 50+"

I don't think that's true.
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:36 PM ET
I'm still waiting for someone to address the fact that during Laine's best 2 years, he shot 17% and 18%
- jcragcrumple

He is an elite sniper who scores goals. Addressed.
lulags
Buffalo Sabres
Location: St Louis
Joined: 02.24.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:38 PM ET
If they trade one of those, and work out a package involving risto to WPG, we have no problem paying Laine 9
- Mentalorgasm5

Trade for Laine makes more sense then an offer sheet.
Risto, Tage, McCabe, 2020 2nd,
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:39 PM ET
Trade for Laine makes more sense then an offer sheet.
Risto, Tage, McCabe, 2020 2nd,

- lulags


Unless it's Eichel or Dahlin going the other way, there's no way he comes here without at least one first going the other way.
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