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Forums :: Blog World :: Michael Pachla: The many layers of the Alexander Nylander for Henri Jokiharju trade
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jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 11 @ 2:40 PM ET
He is an elite sniper who scores goals. Addressed.
- Mentalorgasm5


I'm just gonna leave it. I'm sure people are sick of me prattling on



here's a dog playing hockey instead
turbo044
Joined: 02.18.2009

Jul 11 @ 2:40 PM ET
Trade for Laine makes more sense then an offer sheet.
Risto, Tage, McCabe, 2020 2nd,

- lulags


Seems like a reasonable offer actually - good work!
matty12345
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.11.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:41 PM ET
Trade for Laine makes more sense then an offer sheet.
Risto, Tage, McCabe, 2020 2nd,

- lulags

Can't see them wanting Tage or McCabe

Risto, 2020 1st, and a good prospect like Samuelsson or Borgen seems more believable.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:41 PM ET
Seems like a reasonable offer actually - good work!
- turbo044



Would you rather have that package or four firsts if your Winnipeg?
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Just t3xted sabres going with chiquorin-buffalo39, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:42 PM ET
Trade for Laine makes more sense then an offer sheet.
Risto, Tage, McCabe, 2020 2nd,

- lulags

I would guess Risto, 2020 1st (protected), Tage Thompson, and maybe something else.
matty12345
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.11.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:42 PM ET
Would you rather have that package or four firsts if your Winnipeg?
- buffalofan19


All four pieces are individually worth less than a first round pick. I would take the picks.
lulags
Buffalo Sabres
Location: St Louis
Joined: 02.24.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:43 PM ET
Can't see them wanting Tage or McCabe

Risto, 2020 1st, and a good prospect like Samuelsson or Borgen seems more believable.

- matty12345

They lost 2 key defensemen. McCabe would fit nicely on their middle or bottom pairing for the right price
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 11 @ 2:44 PM ET
Would you rather have that package or four firsts if your Winnipeg?
- buffalofan19


You would give up 4 first round picks and pay him $10.4m?
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Just t3xted sabres going with chiquorin-buffalo39, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:44 PM ET
All four pieces are individually worth less than a first round pick. I would take the picks.
- matty12345

The problem is their cap and trying to ice a full team with Laine at 9 and Conner at 7.

No one is going to give 4 1st for Laine.
lulags
Buffalo Sabres
Location: St Louis
Joined: 02.24.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:45 PM ET
Can't see them wanting Tage or McCabe

Risto, 2020 1st, and a good prospect like Samuelsson or Borgen seems more believable.

- matty12345

Thats reasonable as well.
lulags
Buffalo Sabres
Location: St Louis
Joined: 02.24.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:46 PM ET
You would give up 4 first round picks and pay him $10.4m?
- jcragcrumple

No, I would not. Not because he is not worth it but because Botts knows this farks our develpment program for several years
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:47 PM ET
You would give up 4 first round picks and pay him $10.4m?
- jcragcrumple



No, but if I'm Winnipeg, assuming I don't want to retain him at that contract, and that's the best offer on the table, I'm definitely calling around and telling teams I won't be matching a $10.4 million offer and seeing if someone bites.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I think we will be good, in 2037, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 11 @ 2:47 PM ET


No one is going to give 4 1st for Laine.

- Mentalorgasm5

habs
Phatjohnsn
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 02.28.2016

Jul 11 @ 2:47 PM ET
Who knows the details of consequences if Laine and WPG can't agree on a contract AND Laine's not accepting any offer sheets?

I don't believe he is arbitration eligible but I may be wrong.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jul 11 @ 2:51 PM ET
Who knows the details of consequences if Laine and WPG can't agree on a contract AND Laine's not accepting any offer sheets?

I don't believe he is arbitration eligible but I may be wrong.

- Phatjohnsn


He's not. Same situation as Nylander last year.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 11 @ 2:53 PM ET
He's not. Same situation as Nylander last year.
- Lunaion



Speaking of Nylander, I wonder if that starts a trend where teams are willing to go all the way to December with these RFA's.
turbo044
Joined: 02.18.2009

Jul 11 @ 2:53 PM ET
Who knows the details of consequences if Laine and WPG can't agree on a contract AND Laine's not accepting any offer sheets?

I don't believe he is arbitration eligible but I may be wrong.

- Phatjohnsn


The same thing that happened with Nylander (the good brother) in Toronto. No arbitration and it came down to the deadline to get a deal together. If the deadline passed he would have had to sit all year. Toronto should have traded him last year when his value was sky high.
ajb2493
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Stamford, CT
Joined: 07.02.2015

Jul 11 @ 2:53 PM ET
Who knows the details of consequences if Laine and WPG can't agree on a contract AND Laine's not accepting any offer sheets?

I don't believe he is arbitration eligible but I may be wrong.

- Phatjohnsn


He's not arb eligible. I'm assuming that he would sit out like Willie Nylie. I highly doubt it comes to that, but I think that would be his only option.

Edit: very late.
Phatjohnsn
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 02.28.2016

Jul 11 @ 2:54 PM ET
He's not. Same situation as Nylander last year.
- Lunaion


So if WPG won't budge and nobody will give him an offer sheet he wants, what is next? Does he become a UFA at some point? Or will WPG retain his rights until something happens?
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 11 @ 2:54 PM ET
habs
- homiedclown


They tanked the market for RFAs by lowballing Aho.

Would they really think highly enough of Laine to offer him more than Aho? I don't believe so. They needed Aho more than Laine
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO NY, NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jul 11 @ 2:55 PM ET
Not that crazy. Dude has one of the 5 best shots in the league. Stamkos shoots up around there. If anything, his percentage went down when he was demoted to the third line and presumably played with worse players and saw worse shooting opportunities.

He shot 12.2% last year in a really rough year, which is still over a percent higher than Skinner's average. He probably shoots somewhere around 14-15 on Eichel's wing with Skinner on the other side. Still should be enough with our mobile defense core to get 40ish every year.

I'd happily sign up for that. We would be talking about one of the 2-3 best lines in hockey. When was the last time we were the best at anything?

- matty12345



16-89- whoever

Edit*

At one point Craig Simpson was gonna make that line even better. That didnt work.

Brad may filled in to the best of his abilities
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO NY, NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jul 11 @ 2:58 PM ET
Thanks for the update, boss
- jcragcrumple



All in good fun

🤝
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jul 11 @ 3:01 PM ET
So if WPG won't budge and nobody will give him an offer sheet he wants, what is next? Does he become a UFA at some point? Or will WPG retain his rights until something happens?
- Phatjohnsn


Something would give eventually, but he wouldn't become a UFA until 27, if he refused to play.

The player is just killing himself if he doesn't play in his 4th year to become arb eligible.
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Just t3xted sabres going with chiquorin-buffalo39, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jul 11 @ 3:02 PM ET
habs
- homiedclown

Idk, I would rather have Aho than Laine, and they wouldnt give the 4 1st for him.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I think we will be good, in 2037, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 11 @ 3:03 PM ET
Idk, I would rather have Aho than Laine, and they wouldnt give the 4 1st for him.
- Mentalorgasm5

they are more desperate now then they were a few weeks ago
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