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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 12 @ 1:52 PM ET
Per the CBA you can not put a guy on LTIR until the season starts. They have to shed Clarkson’s cap hit for a day.
- dadeadhead


Teams figure that out pretty much every year though
Idk of there’s some kind of loophole
Or of the nhl just doesn’t penalize them for the day when it’s clear what the team’s intentions are
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 12 @ 1:54 PM ET
Ya, I had to laugh at that "high price" comment.
Not that he has established his high price, but the fact he is again puting a high price in view of Kane and ROR where the returns was rather ordinary.
As you know well the lust price and the actual price are different.

Smith is decent and IMO would be great with Jack and Skinner...doing the dirty work so they profit while he can pot 20/25 himself o. A reasonable contract for 3 years.

- IonSabres


I think he’d be a good fit too
Idk why Vegas would move him though...

Can’t they just give Reeves or Eakin or whoever away for a pick to get under?
Sabre_Tooth
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NE
Joined: 06.17.2015

Jul 12 @ 1:54 PM ET
Josh Scott opens up the story about him and kessel in that preseason game in Toronto. Pretty funny story.

https://youtu.be/lx0UgoN48BQ
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 12 @ 1:54 PM ET
Teams figure that out pretty much every year though
Idk of there’s some kind of loophole
Or of the nhl just doesn’t penalize them for the day when it’s clear what the team’s intentions are

- jdfitz77



They figure it out by moving guys on the cheap leading up to the season.

See Leddy and Boychuk
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 12 @ 1:56 PM ET
I'd rather continue to discuss the fiction that is the Ristolainen for Nugent-Hopkins trade from the guy with The Hockey News subscription.
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: It's totally menstrual , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jul 12 @ 1:57 PM ET
I'd rather continue to discuss the fiction that is the Ristolainen for Nugent-Hopkins trade from the guy with The Hockey News subscription.
- buffalofan19

I have Amazon Prime so I'm pretty much "in the know" also.
mhp
Colorado Avalanche
Location: PROUD MEMBER OF RED SOX NATION SINCE 1975!!!! , SD
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 12 @ 1:57 PM ET
What’s up you sh!theeled sock cucker?
- dadeadhead


I'm doing absolutely marvelous and I really can't complain about anything today.
mhp
Colorado Avalanche
Location: PROUD MEMBER OF RED SOX NATION SINCE 1975!!!! , SD
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 12 @ 1:57 PM ET
I'd rather continue to discuss the fiction that is the Ristolainen for Nugent-Hopkins trade from the guy with The Hockey News subscription.
- buffalofan19


Great idea 19, good job.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 12 @ 1:58 PM ET
Per the CBA you can not put a guy on LTIR until the season starts. They have to shed Clarkson’s cap hit for a day.
- dadeadhead


Ok
Day 1 trade, Smith + Eakin for Tage, 2020-5th + future consideration, saves $8.9m to become Cap Compliant.
Day 2, Clarkson on LTIR
Day 2 trade, Risto as fulfillment of future considerations
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would bet my life savings that Cody Franson would outplay Ristolainen if given 20 minutes per nigh, GA
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 12 @ 1:58 PM ET
Great idea 19, good job.
- mhp


Oh so your everyone gets a trophy guy now huh.

First and first. One hour. Bring a trophy.
mhp
Colorado Avalanche
Location: PROUD MEMBER OF RED SOX NATION SINCE 1975!!!! , SD
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 12 @ 1:58 PM ET
😂😂😂


Cyclone Larry?

- Powerslave


Excellent idea PS, good job. He'll look good down there with Jonas and Glotov.
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: It's totally menstrual , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jul 12 @ 1:59 PM ET
Oh so your everyone gets a trophy guy now huh.

First and first. One hour. Bring a trophy wife.

- ImThatGuy


fixed for cucks
mhp
Colorado Avalanche
Location: PROUD MEMBER OF RED SOX NATION SINCE 1975!!!! , SD
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 12 @ 1:59 PM ET
Oh so your everyone gets a trophy guy now huh.

First and first. One hour. Bring a trophy.

- ImThatGuy





This is the best post I have seen in the last 3 minutes. Good job Guy!
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 12 @ 2:00 PM ET
Josh Scott opens up the story about him and kessel in that preseason game in Toronto. Pretty funny story.

https://youtu.be/lx0UgoN48BQ

- Sabre_Tooth




jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 12 @ 2:01 PM ET
They figure it out by moving guys on the cheap leading up to the season.

See Leddy and Boychuk

- dadeadhead


Right
But i don’t think it’s like you’re saying it

The salaries/Cap hits are prorated
So having Clarkson on the books for 1 day doesn’t actually put Vegas over the Cap if they have a little room

Divide that 5.25mil by the total number of days in the season
That’s how much he’d actually cost against their Cap (or something like that)

The NHL basically lets them get away with it
Vegas does not need to be 5.25mil under the Cap when the season starts
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 12 @ 2:01 PM ET
Great idea 19, good job.
- mhp



Can you imagine? With Nugent-Hopkins, they would have 2 #1 overall draft picks, and two #2 overall draft picks. Then they really would be the "Edmonton of the East".
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 12 @ 2:04 PM ET
Ok
Day 1 trade, Smith + Eakin for Tage, 2020-5th + future consideration, saves $8.9m to become Cap Compliant.
Day 2, Clarkson on LTIR
Day 2 trade, Risto as fulfillment of future considerations

- IonSabres


I’d rather just take Gusev off their hands
Wasn’t the asking price only a 2nd?
Done deal

Then we can still trade Risto for Ehlers or whoever
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 12 @ 2:05 PM ET
Right
But i don’t think it’s like you’re saying it

The salaries/Cap hits are prorated though
So having Clarkson on the books for 1 day doesn’t actually put Vegas over the Cap if they have a little rom

Divide that 5.25mil by the total number of days in the season
That’s how much he’d actually cost against their Cap

The NHL basically lets them get away with it
Vegas does not need to be 5.25mil under the Cap when the season starts

- jdfitz77



Jesus Christ you just like to argue.

Ok smart ass.

Take the salary cap and divide it by 185 there’s you daily cap.

Now do the same for Clarkson’s cap hit.

It’s the same thing dipsh!t. Especially because they have little to no wiggle room.


You use to bring so much more to the table.
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: It's totally menstrual , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jul 12 @ 2:06 PM ET
Jesus Christ you just like to argue.

Ok smart ass.

Take the salary cap and divide it by 185 there’s you daily cap.

Now do the same for Clarkson’s cap hit.

It’s the same thing dipsh!t. Especially because they have little to no wiggle room.


You use to bring so much more to the table.

- dadeadhead

Harsh, but fair.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 12 @ 2:09 PM ET
Jesus Christ you just like to argue.

Ok smart ass.

Take the salary cap and divide it by 185 there’s you daily cap.

Now do the same for Clarkson’s cap hit.

It’s the same thing dipsh!t. Especially because they have little to no wiggle room.


You use to bring so much more to the table.

- dadeadhead


What I’m saying is that the NHL doesn’t penalize them for having Clarkson on the books for a day

It seems like you’re saying Vegas has to be 5.25mil under the Cap to start the season
But that’s not true
It’s only a fraction of Clarkson’s hit that they need to worry about
And it doesn’t have to be figured out day1

They just have to make sure they don’t exceed the Cap by the end of the year
And I’m sure at some point they’d have a guy they can put on IR that would cover it

There isn’t a “daily Cap hit”
It’s season long & cumulative
Teams just have to make sure they don’t exceed it by the end of the season to my understanding

I’m not being a smart ass
I’m simply saying that Clarkson’s Cap Hit is not a factor for them like it seems you’re saying
druryisclutch
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 09.21.2006

Jul 12 @ 2:11 PM ET
Ok
Day 1 trade, Smith + Eakin for Tage, 2020-5th + future consideration, saves $8.9m to become Cap Compliant.
Day 2, Clarkson on LTIR
Day 2 trade, Risto as fulfillment of future considerations

- IonSabres


Doesn't that then put the Sabres over the cap for that day?
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jul 12 @ 2:13 PM ET
Per the CBA you can not put a guy on LTIR until the season starts. They have to shed Clarkson’s cap hit for a day.
- dadeadhead


That's not true. There is off-season LTIR, with different relief formula. You get less relief, so it's much less common to use.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 12 @ 2:13 PM ET
What I’m saying is that the NHL doesn’t penalize them for having Clarkson on the books for a day

It seems like you’re saying Vegas has to be 5.25mil under the Cap to start the season
But that’s not true
It’s only a fraction of Clarkson’s hit that they need to worry about
And it doesn’t have to be figured out day1

They just have to make sure they don’t exceed the Cap by the end of the year
And I’m sure at some point they’d have a guy they can put on IR that would cover it

I’m not being a smart ass
I’m simply saying that Clarkson’s Cap Hit is not a factor for them like it seems you’re saying

- jdfitz77



They have to be at his daily cap hit but being as though it’s day 1. The team hasn’t been able to accumulate cap space.

jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 12 @ 2:15 PM ET
I don't have an MBA or an accounting degree, but reading about daily accrued cap hits is more boring than watching U15 shot put
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 12 @ 2:16 PM ET
That's not true. There is off-season LTIR, with different relief formula. You get less relief, so it's much less common to use.
- Lunaion



Can't LTIR until day one of the season unless they’ve changed the CBA since the last agreement.
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