They have to be at his daily cap hit but being as though it’s day 1. The team hasn’t been able to accumulate cap space. - dadeadhead
What I’m saying is that i don’t think that’s true
I think the Cap Hit is cumulative “season long”
So let’s say they are at the absolute limit year long
Then Clarkson’s day would put them over
But if (for example) they had a same or higher Cap hit on IR for a day, then that wouldn’t count towards their Cap & they’d be right back under
Or if they traded a guy like Eakin at the deadline & replaced him for the rest of the year with a guy that only made 1mil
That would give them more than enough room for having Clarkson on the books for a day
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Jul 12 @ 2:21 PM ET
Jesus Christ you just like to argue.
Ok smart ass.
Take the salary cap and divide it by 185 there’s you daily cap.
Now do the same for Clarkson’s cap hit.
It’s the same thing dipsh!t. Especially because they have little to no wiggle room.
You use to bring so much more to the table. - dadeadhead
According to Cap Friendly, there are two (2) ways to LTIR a player, the 2nd listed below I think speaks to how teams become compliant on Day 1 without moving salaries in scenarios such as this. It is confusing as hell but i think this applies.
The Training-Camp Equation
The training camp equation can be used on the last day of training camp in preparation for the first day of the season:
ACSL = Team cap hit - LTIR player’s cap hit
Example: The 2017-18 upper limit is $75M, on the last day of the off-season a team has a projected cap hit of $78M and places a player with an AAV of $3.5M on LTIR:
Team cap hit = $78M
Player’s cap hit = $3.5M
ACSL = $78M - $3.5M = $74.5M
To accrue cap space while the team continues to use LTIR, they would need to trade players to get below a projected cap hit value of $74.5M.
I think the Cap Hit is cumulative “season long”
So let’s say they are at the absolute limit year long
Then Clarkson’s day would put them over
But if (for example) they had a same or higher Cap hit on IR for a day, then that wouldn’t count towards their Cap & they’d be right back under
Or if they traded a guy like Eakin at the deadline & replaced him for the rest of the year with a guy that only made 1mil
That would give them more than enough room for having Clarkson on the books for a day
I don’t think there’s actually a “daily Cap” - jdfitz77
I'm not trying to be dumb or cause problems. But if Vegas has someone on a two-way contract, can they send them down to the AHL prior to the season, put Clarkson on LTIR, and then bring them back up? (Assuming the player wasn't subject to waivers)
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Jul 12 @ 2:29 PM ET
I do love the absolute strong opions and the digging in of heals coupled with personal attacks on here...especially fun when they are proven wrong.
LOL!
Why would you dig in so hard when you admit your info is based on an outdated document...like years and years outdated, not a few days, weeks or even months.
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Jul 12 @ 2:30 PM ET
I'm not trying to be dumb or cause problems. But if Vegas has someone on a two-way contract, can they send them down to the AHL prior to the season, put Clarkson on LTIR, and then bring them back up? (Assuming the player wasn't subject to waivers) - ajb2493
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Jul 12 @ 2:30 PM ET
I'm not trying to be dumb or cause problems. But if Vegas has someone on a two-way contract, can they send them down to the AHL prior to the season, put Clarkson on LTIR, and then bring them back up? (Assuming the player wasn't subject to waivers) - ajb2493
Two-way contracts have nothing to do with Cap hit. It's simply a matter of the player getting a higher salary if he's in the NHL than he would get if he was in the AHL.
EDIT: should have looked this up to make sure. I was wrong. It's the waiver eligibility that doesn't change. Nevermind.
I'm not trying to be dumb or cause problems. But if Vegas has someone on a two-way contract, can they send them down to the AHL prior to the season, put Clarkson on LTIR, and then bring them back up? (Assuming the player wasn't subject to waivers) - ajb2493
Yeah, if they had the room
They could start the season with say 20 guys on their roster
2 goalies, 6 defensemen, 12 forwards
Then after that day,
bring up the extra defenseman & extra forward
Like i was trying to say in my original post
There’s various loopholes where the NHL lets teams get away with it for the day
So Vegas doesn’t actually have to be 5.25mil under the Cap on day1
Idk why Deadhead took such offense to that???
Was just trying to let him know that Clarkson’s Hit wasn’t really an issue for Vegas
I'm not trying to be dumb or cause problems. But if Vegas has someone on a two-way contract, can they send them down to the AHL prior to the season, put Clarkson on LTIR, and then bring them back up? (Assuming the player wasn't subject to waivers) - ajb2493
2 way contracts are completely irrelevant to the NHL cap. They just dictate what a player gets paid in the AHL. Otherwise, your point is accurate, you can send down a waiver exempt player and call up/keep a minimum salary player to play cap games. You have to have 23 players at the start of the season. Buried players still count towards the cap, but something like 1.1m less.
There's a strange art to having the right amount of salary to maximize the relief pool.
