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buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 12 @ 2:16 PM ET
They have to be at his daily cap hit but being as though it’s day 1. The team hasn’t been able to accumulate cap space.
- dadeadhead



You two should fight. At Tompkins Square Park.
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Just t3xted sabres going with chiquorin-buffalo39, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jul 12 @ 2:18 PM ET
https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/1322954

From a WPG fan

Ristolainen for Ehlers and rights to Comrie
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jul 12 @ 2:19 PM ET
Can't LTIR until day one of the season unless they’ve changed the CBA since the last agreement.
- dadeadhead


Don't have to believe me. Cap friendly lays it out for you.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 12 @ 2:19 PM ET
You two should fight. At Tompkins Square Park.
- buffalofan19



I have better things to do.
mhp
Colorado Avalanche
Location: PROUD MEMBER OF RED SOX NATION SINCE 1975!!!! , SD
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 12 @ 2:20 PM ET
I don't have an MBA or an accounting degree, but reading about daily accrued cap hits is more boring than watching U15 shot put
- jcragcrumple


It's an absolutely incredible way to spend a Friday afternoon.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I think we will be good, in 2037, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 12 @ 2:20 PM ET
No I’m sorry I haven’t.

Must of missed them.


Care to elaborate?

- dadeadhead

nope
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 12 @ 2:21 PM ET
Don't have to believe me. Cap friendly lays it out for you.
- Lunaion



Then it changed.

Reading the CBA is mind numbing and confusing.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 12 @ 2:21 PM ET
They have to be at his daily cap hit but being as though it’s day 1. The team hasn’t been able to accumulate cap space.
- dadeadhead


What I’m saying is that i don’t think that’s true

I think the Cap Hit is cumulative “season long”
So let’s say they are at the absolute limit year long

Then Clarkson’s day would put them over
But if (for example) they had a same or higher Cap hit on IR for a day, then that wouldn’t count towards their Cap & they’d be right back under

Or if they traded a guy like Eakin at the deadline & replaced him for the rest of the year with a guy that only made 1mil
That would give them more than enough room for having Clarkson on the books for a day

I don’t think there’s actually a “daily Cap”
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 12 @ 2:21 PM ET
It's an absolutely incredible way to spend a Friday afternoon.
- mhp



A shovel to the face is more enjoyable
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 12 @ 2:21 PM ET
Jesus Christ you just like to argue.

Ok smart ass.

Take the salary cap and divide it by 185 there’s you daily cap.

Now do the same for Clarkson’s cap hit.

It’s the same thing dipsh!t. Especially because they have little to no wiggle room.


You use to bring so much more to the table.

- dadeadhead



According to Cap Friendly, there are two (2) ways to LTIR a player, the 2nd listed below I think speaks to how teams become compliant on Day 1 without moving salaries in scenarios such as this. It is confusing as hell but i think this applies.


The Training-Camp Equation
The training camp equation can be used on the last day of training camp in preparation for the first day of the season:
ACSL = Team cap hit - LTIR player’s cap hit

Example: The 2017-18 upper limit is $75M, on the last day of the off-season a team has a projected cap hit of $78M and places a player with an AAV of $3.5M on LTIR:
Team cap hit = $78M
Player’s cap hit = $3.5M
ACSL = $78M - $3.5M = $74.5M
To accrue cap space while the team continues to use LTIR, they would need to trade players to get below a projected cap hit value of $74.5M.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I think we will be good, in 2037, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 12 @ 2:21 PM ET
Sup (frank)ers.
- CaptainRivet

hanging out with dumb dumbs


you?
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 12 @ 2:23 PM ET
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1322954

From a WPG fan

Ristolainen for Ehlers and rights to Comrie

- Mentalorgasm5


I don’t think much of Comrie,
but sure
I think Risto for Ehlers is reasonable for both sides
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I think we will be good, in 2037, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 12 @ 2:23 PM ET
make america dumb again
mhp
Colorado Avalanche
Location: PROUD MEMBER OF RED SOX NATION SINCE 1975!!!! , SD
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 12 @ 2:23 PM ET
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1322954

From a WPG fan

Ristolainen for Ehlers and rights to Comrie

- Mentalorgasm5


I like it.
Sabre_Tooth
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NE
Joined: 06.17.2015

Jul 12 @ 2:25 PM ET

- dadeadhead



I thought it was pretty good haha.
ajb2493
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Stamford, CT
Joined: 07.02.2015

Jul 12 @ 2:28 PM ET
What I’m saying is that i don’t think that’s true

I think the Cap Hit is cumulative “season long”
So let’s say they are at the absolute limit year long

Then Clarkson’s day would put them over
But if (for example) they had a same or higher Cap hit on IR for a day, then that wouldn’t count towards their Cap & they’d be right back under

Or if they traded a guy like Eakin at the deadline & replaced him for the rest of the year with a guy that only made 1mil
That would give them more than enough room for having Clarkson on the books for a day

I don’t think there’s actually a “daily Cap”

- jdfitz77


I'm not trying to be dumb or cause problems. But if Vegas has someone on a two-way contract, can they send them down to the AHL prior to the season, put Clarkson on LTIR, and then bring them back up? (Assuming the player wasn't subject to waivers)
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 12 @ 2:29 PM ET
I do love the absolute strong opions and the digging in of heals coupled with personal attacks on here...especially fun when they are proven wrong.
LOL!

Why would you dig in so hard when you admit your info is based on an outdated document...like years and years outdated, not a few days, weeks or even months.

dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 12 @ 2:30 PM ET
I'm not trying to be dumb or cause problems. But if Vegas has someone on a two-way contract, can they send them down to the AHL prior to the season, put Clarkson on LTIR, and then bring them back up? (Assuming the player wasn't subject to waivers)
- ajb2493



Yes and no. Two way isn’t waiver free.


Teams do this as well.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 12 @ 2:30 PM ET
Then it changed.

Reading the CBA is mind numbing and confusing.

- dadeadhead


buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 12 @ 2:30 PM ET
I'm not trying to be dumb or cause problems. But if Vegas has someone on a two-way contract, can they send them down to the AHL prior to the season, put Clarkson on LTIR, and then bring them back up? (Assuming the player wasn't subject to waivers)
- ajb2493



Two-way contracts have nothing to do with Cap hit. It's simply a matter of the player getting a higher salary if he's in the NHL than he would get if he was in the AHL.

EDIT: should have looked this up to make sure. I was wrong. It's the waiver eligibility that doesn't change. Nevermind.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 12 @ 2:32 PM ET
I'm not trying to be dumb or cause problems. But if Vegas has someone on a two-way contract, can they send them down to the AHL prior to the season, put Clarkson on LTIR, and then bring them back up? (Assuming the player wasn't subject to waivers)
- ajb2493


Yeah, if they had the room

They could start the season with say 20 guys on their roster
2 goalies, 6 defensemen, 12 forwards
Then after that day,
bring up the extra defenseman & extra forward

Like i was trying to say in my original post
There’s various loopholes where the NHL lets teams get away with it for the day

So Vegas doesn’t actually have to be 5.25mil under the Cap on day1

Idk why Deadhead took such offense to that???
Was just trying to let him know that Clarkson’s Hit wasn’t really an issue for Vegas
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I think we will be good, in 2037, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 12 @ 2:33 PM ET
I like it.
- mhp



that's how you cowbell
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 12 @ 2:34 PM ET
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1322954

From a WPG fan

Ristolainen for Ehlers and rights to Comrie

- Mentalorgasm5



Well we do need more LW and RhD's ...tell them no go unless they through in a RhD to replace Comrie.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jul 12 @ 2:35 PM ET
I'm not trying to be dumb or cause problems. But if Vegas has someone on a two-way contract, can they send them down to the AHL prior to the season, put Clarkson on LTIR, and then bring them back up? (Assuming the player wasn't subject to waivers)
- ajb2493

2 way contracts are completely irrelevant to the NHL cap. They just dictate what a player gets paid in the AHL. Otherwise, your point is accurate, you can send down a waiver exempt player and call up/keep a minimum salary player to play cap games. You have to have 23 players at the start of the season. Buried players still count towards the cap, but something like 1.1m less.

There's a strange art to having the right amount of salary to maximize the relief pool.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 12 @ 2:40 PM ET
Serious question
What is the expected return for Risto straight-up.
A top 6 F?
So anywhere from say 45 pts and up?

Where's the line to differentiate a decent return and a below average return?
I'm going 50 - 65 pts
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