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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 12 @ 2:41 PM ET
2 way contracts are completely irrelevant to the NHL cap. They just dictate what a player gets paid in the AHL. Otherwise, your point is accurate, you can send down a waiver exempt player and call up/keep a minimum salary player to play cap games. You have to have 23 players at the start of the season. Buried players still count towards the cap, but something like 1.1m less.

There's a strange art to having the right amount of salary to maximize the relief pool.

- Lunaion


Is that true?
I thought 23 was the limit, but you didn’t have to have that many
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I think we will be good, in 2037, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 12 @ 2:41 PM ET
Serious question
What is the expected return for Risto straight-up.
A top 6 F?
So anywhere from say 45 pts and up?

Where's the line to differentiate a decent return and a below average return?
I'm going 50 - 65 pts

- IonSabres

second line center that is young, proven 40-45 point player with upside

or a 55 point winger with upside
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 12 @ 2:47 PM ET
second line center that is young, proven 40-45 point player with upside

or a 55 point winger with upside

- homiedclown


That is in line with my thought..the age & upside allow for an adjustment to the "fair" equation.

If we use that, then If Bott's price on Risto is HIGH (more than above average), we turn that crank up quite a bit ...so, again depending on age and position, we are looking at
- a young 2C at about 60 pts
- a winger in the 65 - 70 range

jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 12 @ 2:51 PM ET
Serious question
What is the expected return for Risto straight-up.
A top 6 F?
So anywhere from say 45 pts and up?

Where's the line to differentiate a decent return and a below average return?
I'm going 50 - 65 pts

- IonSabres


Just bc we have an extra RH defenseman now,
doesn’t mean I’m willing to give him up cheap

If we can’t get a “core” piece back for Risto,
then I’d probably keep him
Even if that means starting Joker in Rochester

The demand for RH top4 defensemen isn’t gonna go away
So if we have to wait to get the return we want,
then that’s what we should do
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jul 12 @ 2:51 PM ET
Is that true?
I thought 23 was the limit, but you didn’t have to have that many

- jdfitz77


I think you're right.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 12 @ 2:52 PM ET
That is in line with my thought..the age & upside allow for an adjustment to the "fair" equation.

If we use that, then If Bott's price on Risto is HIGH (more than above average), we turn that crank up quite a bit ...so, again depending on age and position, we are looking at
- a young 2C at about 60 pts
- a winger in the 65 - 70 range

- IonSabres


Someone like Ehlers seems reasonable to me
SabreWest
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BC
Joined: 03.02.2015

Jul 12 @ 3:04 PM ET
Ralph is a visionary.. he is going to play school yard hockey and just throw 5 guys out there regardless of position and let them free ball it
- SabresFaninIndiana


Nicely played Indy. My sentiments as well!
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Just t3xted sabres going with chiquorin-buffalo39, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jul 12 @ 3:11 PM ET
second line center that is young, proven 40-45 point player with upside

or a 55 point winger with upside

- homiedclown

Just looking at WPG, and the need they have at D, I feel it will be Risto to WPG.
mhp
Colorado Avalanche
Location: PROUD MEMBER OF RED SOX NATION SINCE 1975!!!! , SD
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 12 @ 3:13 PM ET


that's how you cowbell

- homiedclown


Fantastic.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 12 @ 3:13 PM ET
Just looking at WPG, and the need they have at D, I feel it will be Risto to WPG.
- Mentalorgasm5


They seem like the most obvious trade partner

89 says we are already talking
Can’t imagine there’s too many other RH options for the Jets out there
turbo044
Joined: 02.18.2009

Jul 12 @ 3:20 PM ET
Serious question
What is the expected return for Risto straight-up.
A top 6 F?
So anywhere from say 45 pts and up?

Where's the line to differentiate a decent return and a below average return?
I'm going 50 - 65 pts

- IonSabres


A forward at 45 points or a dman (Risto) at 45 points. I’ll keep Risto,
I’d need a forward with the potential to get 65-70 points
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 12 @ 3:21 PM ET
A forward at 45 points or a dman (Risto) at 45 points. I’ll keep Risto,
I’d need a forward with the potential to get 65-70 points

- turbo044


Good post
turbo044
Joined: 02.18.2009

Jul 12 @ 3:23 PM ET
Like skinny?
- jcragcrumple


Tampa is a bit different in quality of life than raleigh or charotte or wherever they play + buffalo isn’t the closest city to Tyler’s hometown as it is skinners but I suppose anything is possible
Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Jul 12 @ 3:24 PM ET
They seem like the most obvious trade partner

89 says we are already talking
Can’t imagine there’s too many other RH options for the Jets out there

- jdfitz77


Besides PK ... the Sabres might have traded for the only other good right handed d
hehateme
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 04.11.2017

Jul 12 @ 3:50 PM ET
second line center that is young, proven 40-45 point player with upside

or a 55 point winger with upside

- homiedclown


so Tyler Johnson fits the bill?

Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jul 12 @ 3:50 PM ET
I said this Wednesday.
Keep up and stop boring us.

- IonSabres



Please, EXCITE us all with another one of your booze-addled, typo-ridden, multi-point LISTS.

The whole board waits eagerly in anticipation of those every evening.
hehateme
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 04.11.2017

Jul 12 @ 3:52 PM ET
Just bc we have an extra RH defenseman now,
doesn’t mean I’m willing to give him up cheap

If we can’t get a “core” piece back for Risto,
then I’d probably keep him
Even if that means starting Joker in Rochester

The demand for RH top4 defensemen isn’t gonna go away
So if we have to wait to get the return we want,
then that’s what we should do

- jdfitz77


What do you think Risto is worth?


IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 12 @ 4:07 PM ET
What do you think Risto is worth?
- hehateme


That is the question, what is fair value.
We have proposed a Top 6 player, something like:
- young 2C at 40+ points with upside
- established 55pt winger
Stripes77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jul 12 @ 4:07 PM ET
so Tyler Johnson fits the bill?
- hehateme



He will be 29 years old

But as far as point totals I think he fits the bill but he has a full NTC
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jul 12 @ 4:08 PM ET
Just looking at WPG, and the need they have at D, I feel it will be Risto to WPG.
- Mentalorgasm5



*I* have a need at D
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 12 @ 4:09 PM ET
Please, EXCITE us all with another one of your booze-addled, typo-ridden, multi-point LISTS.

The whole board waits eagerly in anticipation of those every evening.

- Der Kaiser


Good afternoon Sunshine!
Great to see you too.
So nice the busy little executive is here to share wisdom on olives.
Carry on!
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jul 12 @ 4:10 PM ET
It’s a hot one today
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jul 12 @ 4:10 PM ET
That is the question, what is fair value.
We have proposed a Top 6 player, something like:
- young 2C at 40+ points with upside
- established 55pt winger

- IonSabres




Fattony1187
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.12.2015

Jul 12 @ 4:13 PM ET
He will be 29 years old

But as far as point totals I think he fits the bill but he has a full NTC

- Stripes77



Risto is worth more then him. Bad trade for us. Plus homie is saying an overpayment. Add Foote and I’m interested
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jul 12 @ 4:15 PM ET
That is the question, what is fair value.
We have proposed a Top 6 player, something like:
- young 2C at 40+ points with upside
- established 55pt winger

- IonSabres


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