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SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Jul 10 @ 2:10 PM ET
Wasn't replying to you...there has been like 20 posts today about Artem Anisimov. And more in the Blackhawks thread too. It seems like a popular trade target.
- matty12345


Gotcha. Yeah, not particularly interested in AA ( Haven't looked at his contract, but if it's short, may not be a bad stop gap if he could be had for a nothing burger)
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I think we will be good, in 2037, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 10 @ 2:12 PM ET
how long you been holding onto that one
- TheSabresTaco

20 hours
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would pick Heiskanen and Provorov over Dahlin. But still not in my top 10. - MaximusAurelius, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 10 @ 2:12 PM ET
Gotcha. Yeah, not particularly interested in AA ( Haven't looked at his contract, but if it's short, may not be a bad stop gap if he could be had for a nothing burger)
- SDSabre


He could definitely be had for peanuts. The question is, does he make this team better. If no, raise your standards.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 10 @ 2:12 PM ET
Wasn't replying to you...there has been like 20 posts today about Artem Anisimov. And more in the Blackhawks thread too. It seems like a popular trade target.
- matty12345




I'd take him. Not for anything really good, but he's a fine insurance policy for Mitts, and $4m isn't bad for 2 years

He'd provide what Berglund was supposed to.

If JB has a better plan, sweet
lulags
Buffalo Sabres
Location: St Louis
Joined: 02.24.2007

Jul 10 @ 2:13 PM ET

Today @ 1:08 PM ET
Dont have a clue as to what Stan is doing

https://chicago.suntimes....huts-down-star-opens-eyes


Blackhawks rookie defenseman Henri Jokiharju shuts down star, opens eyes
By Tom Musick Oct 29, 2018, 11:08pm CDT
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Blackhawks coach Joel Quenneville has spoke glowingly of 19-year-old Henri Jokiharju. Paul Vernon/AP

Coach Joel Quenneville almost never is quick to praise a young player, particularly a young defenseman.

At best, a player who lacks experience might get the following endorsement: “I didn’t mind him.” Other common critiques by Quenneville include, “He was just OK,” which means something less than OK, and, “He was ordinary,” which is about as bad as it gets.

So it was striking when Quenneville spoke glowingly about 19-year-old defenseman Henri Jokiharju this week.

“I liked him a lot,” Quenneville said after the Blackhawks’ 2-1 overtime loss Sunday to the Oilers. “He had a great start [to the season], and I liked him over the last three or four games. He’s done well.

“He’s out there against top guys. He’s got a tremendous gap; he’s got quickness; he recovers well. He’s going to get better with his stick. He makes a lot of direct plays. He’ll get better in that area, recognize options offensively. But getting exposed to [those] type of assignments at this stage of his career is pretty flattering, but he’s handled it extremely well.”

In other words, Quenneville really doesn’t mind him.

Has he spoken like this about any other young blue-liner? This type of praise typically is reserved for proven veterans, not a baby-faced Finn.

But Jokiharju has earned the off-ice compliments because of his on-ice accomplishments.

Quenneville leaned heavily on Jokiharju and defense partner Duncan Keith to handle the Oilers’ potent top line, which featured superstar Connor McDavid at center along with Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Kailer Yamamoto on the wings.

It’s a risk for any defender to take on McDavid, who the Penguins’ Sidney Crosby recently said was an “easy pick” for the NHL’s best player. But the risk was even greater for Jokiharju, who entered the showdown with all of 11 games of NHL experience.

RELATED

• Blackhawks fall to Connor McDavid, Oilers in overtime

• Blackhawks bench Jan Rutta, seek answers on defense

As he has done all season, Jokiharju proved to be up to the task. He and Keith subdued the Oilers’ potent top line throughout regulation, although McDavid eventually broke through in the three-on-three overtime while Jokiharju watched from the bench.

“He’s been great,” defenseman Brent Seabrook said. “I thought he was exceptional, the way he played. The way he’s able to skate and move, as a young defenseman, he makes a lot of smart plays. He’s good with the puck, confident with the puck, and he can shoot it.”

Expect more top assignments on the way for Jokiharju and Keith.

It looks as if the pairing will stick for quite some time — something Keith, 35, is eager to embrace.

“I was actually thinking about that before the game Sunday, thinking I’ve bounced around with a few different partners,” Keith said. “It’s a good feeling to know that he’s as young as he is and as good as he is. It definitely bodes well for the team and myself as a partner with him.”

Keith has provided guidance for Jokiharju throughout the season. But the rookie has helped the older guy, too.

“He allows me to play my game, for one thing,” Keith said. “For 19 years old, he’s pretty poised. He’s a great skater, he’s good with the puck, makes smart plays, good defensively. Defense isn’t an easy position to break into, and he’s doing it like a veteran.”
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Jul 10 @ 2:15 PM ET
He could definitely be had for peanuts. The question is, does he make this team better. If no, raise your standards.
- TheSabresTaco


Not sure if he would make the team better (Honestly haven't watched him play, or the Hawks as much as in years past for obvious reasons). Raising standards is the way to go. Dare I say, Eric (frank)ing Haula. Couldn't help myself. Move along everyone. Disregard this post.
BlackhawkMike
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.30.2011

Jul 10 @ 2:15 PM ET
Wasn't replying to you...there has been like 20 posts today about Artem Anisimov. And more in the Blackhawks thread too. It seems like a popular trade target.
- matty12345


We have been trying to trade him for a while now but some fans don't understand that if he leaves we have to replace him with someone too, LOL.
hammatoe
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 02.13.2007

Jul 10 @ 2:16 PM ET
Today @ 1:08 PM ET
Dont have a clue as to what Stan is doing

https://chicago.suntimes....huts-down-star-opens-eyes


Blackhawks rookie defenseman Henri Jokiharju shuts down star, opens eyes
By Tom Musick Oct 29, 2018, 11:08pm CDT
Share
Blackhawks coach Joel Quenneville has spoke glowingly of 19-year-old Henri Jokiharju. Paul Vernon/AP

Coach Joel Quenneville almost never is quick to praise a young player, particularly a young defenseman.

At best, a player who lacks experience might get the following endorsement: “I didn’t mind him.” Other common critiques by Quenneville include, “He was just OK,” which means something less than OK, and, “He was ordinary,” which is about as bad as it gets.

So it was striking when Quenneville spoke glowingly about 19-year-old defenseman Henri Jokiharju this week.

“I liked him a lot,” Quenneville said after the Blackhawks’ 2-1 overtime loss Sunday to the Oilers. “He had a great start

- lulags[to the season], and I liked him over the last three or four games. He’s done well.

“He’s out there against top guys. He’s got a tremendous gap; he’s got quickness; he recovers well. He’s going to get better with his stick. He makes a lot of direct plays. He’ll get better in that area, recognize options offensively. But getting exposed to [those] type of assignments at this stage of his career is pretty flattering, but he’s handled it extremely well.”

In other words, Quenneville really doesn’t mind him.

Has he spoken like this about any other young blue-liner? This type of praise typically is reserved for proven veterans, not a baby-faced Finn.

But Jokiharju has earned the off-ice compliments because of his on-ice accomplishments.

Quenneville leaned heavily on Jokiharju and defense partner Duncan Keith to handle the Oilers’ potent top line, which featured superstar Connor McDavid at center along with Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Kailer Yamamoto on the wings.

It’s a risk for any defender to take on McDavid, who the Penguins’ Sidney Crosby recently said was an “easy pick” for the NHL’s best player. But the risk was even greater for Jokiharju, who entered the showdown with all of 11 games of NHL experience.

RELATED

• Blackhawks fall to Connor McDavid, Oilers in overtime

• Blackhawks bench Jan Rutta, seek answers on defense

As he has done all season, Jokiharju proved to be up to the task. He and Keith subdued the Oilers’ potent top line throughout regulation, although McDavid eventually broke through in the three-on-three overtime while Jokiharju watched from the bench.

“He’s been great,” defenseman Brent Seabrook said. “I thought he was exceptional, the way he played. The way he’s able to skate and move, as a young defenseman, he makes a lot of smart plays. He’s good with the puck, confident with the puck, and he can shoot it.”

Expect more top assignments on the way for Jokiharju and Keith.

It looks as if the pairing will stick for quite some time — something Keith, 35, is eager to embrace.

“I was actually thinking about that before the game Sunday, thinking I’ve bounced around with a few different partners,” Keith said. “It’s a good feeling to know that he’s as young as he is and as good as he is. It definitely bodes well for the team and myself as a partner with him.”

Keith has provided guidance for Jokiharju throughout the season. But the rookie has helped the older guy, too.

“He allows me to play my game, for one thing,” Keith said. “For 19 years old, he’s pretty poised. He’s a great skater, he’s good with the puck, makes smart plays, good defensively. Defense isn’t an easy position to break into, and he’s doing it like a veteran.”


Read (red) this too...like the trade, don't care how Bustlander does assuming this kid pans out to be a top 4 guy.

EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Jul 10 @ 2:17 PM ET
Anisimov had 15 goals last year and is 31. He costs 4.5 mill for the next two years

Middlestadt had 12 goals last year and is 20. He is cost controlled.

I will eat my shoes if Casey doesn't score more goals next year than AA.

- matty12345


Anisimov is a perfect 3C, and can capably fill in as a 2C (see 2016+17 centering Panarin + Kane). Hawks NEED to shed Cap Space, and there is a good chance that Dach makes the team out of camp and plays 3C with Saad-Shaw on his wings.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 10 @ 2:17 PM ET
We have been trying to trade him for a while now but some fans don't understand that if he leaves we have to replace him with someone too, LOL.
- BlackhawkMike


I brought it up in your thread. One of your guys said Matej Pekar and a 5th. I would take that deal.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would pick Heiskanen and Provorov over Dahlin. But still not in my top 10. - MaximusAurelius, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 10 @ 2:21 PM ET
Anisimov is a perfect 3C, and can capably fill in as a 2C (see 2016+17 centering Panarin + Kane). Hawks NEED to shed Cap Space, and there is a good chance that Dach makes the team out of camp and plays 3C with Saad-Shaw on his wings.
- EnzoD


Question for you and Mike. Does AA make the Sabres better as an almost full time 2C, who will need to be relied on heavily for a 200' game and plenty of FOs
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would pick Heiskanen and Provorov over Dahlin. But still not in my top 10. - MaximusAurelius, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 10 @ 2:23 PM ET
I brought it up in your thread. One of your guys said Matej Pekar and a 5th. I would take that deal.
- jcragcrumple


I don't want to be the guy who says all prospects have more value than most NHLers, but, if AA can't make the Sabres a better team at 2C, you might as well keep moving. It's a waste of a likable asset.

Now if it was Tyler Johnson, I'd be all for it. In a larger deal of course.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I think we will be good, in 2037, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 10 @ 2:23 PM ET
You don't say.
- SABRES 89

jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 10 @ 2:23 PM ET
Question for you and Mike. Does AA make the Sabres better as an almost full time 2C, who will need to be relied on heavily for a 200' game and plenty of FOs
- TheSabresTaco


Skinner-Eichel-Sheary
Olofsson-Mitts-Reinhart
Vesey-Anisimov-Mojo

That's a competent top-9 imo
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would pick Heiskanen and Provorov over Dahlin. But still not in my top 10. - MaximusAurelius, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 10 @ 2:25 PM ET
Skinner-Eichel-Sheary
Olofsson-Mitts-Reinhart
Vesey-Anisimov-Mojo

That's a competent top-9 imo

- jcragcrumple


Mitts has not proven he can take the roll you have slotted him in and make the team better. It is possible. But it is unproven. Just like last year when Botts thought he could.

A year can make all the difference. Or not.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 10 @ 2:27 PM ET
Mitts has not proven he can take the roll you have slotted him in and make the team better. It is possible. But it is unproven. Just like last year when Botts thought he could.

A year can make all the difference. Or not.

- TheSabresTaco


Lines 2 and 3 are really interchangeable. You can swap Reinhart and Mojo and call it line 2. Or just balance the ice time. I sound like a broken record, but Anisimov is what we wanted from Berglund
Swedish_Jesus
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 07.02.2019

Jul 10 @ 2:27 PM ET
Mitts has not proven he can take the roll you have slotted him in and make the team better. It is possible. But it is unproven. Just like last year when Botts thought he could.

A year can make all the difference. Or not.

- TheSabresTaco


I mean when we finally played him with Reinhart he had 6 points in 9 games. The problem was he didn’t get the PP time and was essentially playing 11 minutes a night most nights with nobody.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I think we will be good, in 2037, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 10 @ 2:28 PM ET
Mitts has not proven he can take the roll you have slotted him in and make the team better. It is possible. But it is unproven. Just like last year when Botts thought he could.

A year can make all the difference. Or not.

- TheSabresTaco

mitts did look better at the end when he got a few decent players on his wing


I think it's more lack of depth last season on the wing

adding vesey, johansson and olofsson should help IMO
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I think we will be good, in 2037, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 10 @ 2:30 PM ET
I mean when we finally played him with Reinhart he had 6 points in 9 games. The problem was he didn’t get the PP time and was essentially playing 11 minutes a night most nights with nobody.
- Swedish_Jesus

skinner-eichel-reinhart-johansson-dahlin

olofsson-casey-vesey/erod-montour-risto


pp looks better on paper

TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would pick Heiskanen and Provorov over Dahlin. But still not in my top 10. - MaximusAurelius, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 10 @ 2:30 PM ET
Lines 2 and 3 are really interchangeable. You can swap Reinhart and Mojo and call it line 2. Or just balance the ice time. I sound like a broken record, but Anisimov is what we wanted from Berglund
- jcragcrumple


RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jul 10 @ 2:31 PM ET
I mean when we finally played him with Reinhart he had 6 points in 9 games. The problem was he didn’t get the PP time and was essentially playing 11 minutes a night most nights with nobody.
- Swedish_Jesus


Reinhart elevates the players around him.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would pick Heiskanen and Provorov over Dahlin. But still not in my top 10. - MaximusAurelius, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 10 @ 2:32 PM ET
I hope everyone Pro Mitts 2C is right. Because if a short term guy is traded for, confidence in the front office has wavered.
Losman
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 08.30.2006

Jul 10 @ 2:32 PM ET
thx...

just came across this:



- Michael Pachla


Outstanding. Someone please tell me that a tour of the Northeast is being planned. I need to see this multiple times. The setlists are amazing!
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I think we will be good, in 2037, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 10 @ 2:33 PM ET
Reinhart elevates the players around him.
- RhinoFan

but
but
but
but
but




if they keep risto and bank on the young centers for this year

the cap looks really good 2020-21 and beyond
even with okposo
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 10 @ 2:34 PM ET
but
but
but
but
but




if they keep risto and bank on the young centers for this year

the cap looks really good 2020-21 and beyond

even with okposo

- homiedclown


The GM they hire next spring will be in great shape
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