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tvetter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burkesville, KY
Joined: 12.16.2015

Jul 11 @ 1:28 PM ET
Excuse the ignorance, but I have been meaning to ask for a while, what is BOD?
- boilermaker100

I just had the same thought. I did a quick Google search, and it came back as biochemical oxygen demand. I'm pretty sure he didn't mean that 🤣
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cap Hell, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jul 11 @ 1:29 PM ET
Ahh....Murray Bannerman.....Used to see him at the Jewel off of Naper and 75th st back in the day with my dad. Always walking out with a 6 pack......
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jul 11 @ 1:47 PM ET
My darkhorse to make the team is Entwhistle, supposedly a coaches dream.
- gazza53


20/21 forwards in the mix based on current contract lengths and assuming no trades. Not including Perlini because I believe he's becoming a cap casualty.

1. Toews
2. Kane
3. Anisimov
4. Saad
5. Shaw
6. Carpenter
7. Kampf
8. Strome RFA assuming he's extended
9. Debrincat RFA assuming he's extended
10. Caggiula RFA assuming he's extended
11. Kabulik RFA assuming he's extended

plus these guys

12. Sikura
13. Quenneville
14. Dach
15. Nylander
16. Entwistle
17. Saarella
18. Kurashev
19. Hagel
20. Wedin if re-signed as a UFA

Then Barratt and Wise and possibly Tepley 3-4 years away

I would expect a lot of tweaks to the forward group next summer to make room for some of the prospects.




boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jul 11 @ 1:50 PM ET
I just had the same thought. I did a quick Google search, and it came back as biochemical oxygen demand. I'm pretty sure he didn't mean that 🤣
- tvetter


Board of Directors? - nope
Brotherhood of Doom? That sure fits!
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location:
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jul 11 @ 1:51 PM ET
Excuse the ignorance, but I have been meaning to ask for a while, what is BOD?
- boilermaker100

Board Of Doom
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jul 11 @ 1:56 PM ET
Ahh....Murray Bannerman.....Used to see him at the Jewel off of Naper and 75th st back in the day with my dad. Always walking out with a 6 pack......
- SteveRain


Or as Foley used to say BANNNNNNERMANNNNNN.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jul 11 @ 1:57 PM ET
Board Of Doom
- paulr


Thanks
AEL_Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: CA
Joined: 06.18.2016

Jul 11 @ 2:02 PM ET
BTW wondering if any other dmen prospects have an area in their game which will eventually lead to their being axed too. Keep in mind that LHD Beaudin may be very close to NHL. And what side defense does Gilbert play?
- jhawk59

Gilbert plays LD but has played a bit at RD. Left side is his strong side. Carlsson plays both sides fairly well as a lefty shooter. They were the Hogs top D pair towards the latter part of last season.

If there is a higher-end D prospect who needs to significantly improve, my early guess is Krys. He is a stellar skater and can play a full 200 foot game. However, his first set of games with the Hogs at the end of last season showed a player who was trying to do too much rather than playing simple and smart. He would make errant passes, pass at ill-advised times, and think he had all the time in the world to skate and make a play before realizing that pro players are so much faster and would easily get pick pocketed.

Hoping that his first full season in the AHL will show marked improvement. If so, I think he can challenge for a 5/6/7 spot on the Hawks blueline next season or the one after.
AEL_Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: CA
Joined: 06.18.2016

Jul 11 @ 2:07 PM ET
Question.......Why isn't Brandon Hagel talked about more as a possible Hawk forward this year? He is basically the same age as Nylander. He puts up points everywhere he goes. Maybe Tyler or Wiz can give some feedback on his chances? He seems every bit as productive as any other prospect we have available. For that matter, Entwhistle as well, he seems like a more experienced Dach, big body, hard worker. Are either of these two guys a possiblilty for the big boy team this year?
- Gary0301

I would be interested to hear perspectives on Hagel from the Sabres fans who have been posting on the Blackhawks board lately.

From my own observations and reading of reports, Hagel is vastly improved on defense (focused on that a lot in his last season or two at Red Deer) and isn't just an offensive dynamo with zero defensive awareness.

Hagel is a relentless forechecker who is always around the puck and somehow can manage the puck at some point virtually every shift. When he does have the puck, he creates chances so he's not a black hole with it.

If he does challenge for a spot on the Hawks, my guess is next year at the earliest and as a 3rd liner. If he hits potential, I'd think he could be a 200-foot 20/20 winger who can also kill penalties.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jul 11 @ 2:08 PM ET
One thing I will say is that regardless of how our expectations for the season will differ from fan to fan, it’s exciting to me as a fan to see the infusion of youth and talent over the last two years that we haven’t seen in over a decade.

We rode the coattails of our NHL roster for so long that we didn’t put much stock in our

- TommyHawk[underachieving] draft picks over the years because we just had Stan round out the roster on the fly.

But now that we’ve got the likes of Strome, DeBrincat, Dach, Nylander, Boqvist, Beaudin, Mitchell, Kurashev on the horizon of taking the reigns from 19, 88, 2, and 7, it’s going to be really bittersweet to see the turning of the chapter in Hawks history as the baton gets passed from one generation to the other.

That’s why I’m taking everything in stride and enjoying as much of the current core as I can, because before we know it, they’ll be gone.


The 2015 cup team was the third oldest team in the league that year
rpeters01
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jul 11 @ 2:11 PM ET
The 2015 cup team was the third oldest team in the league that year
- LAHawk

And he left out Hossa, which is why Stan got Saad back.
AEL_Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: CA
Joined: 06.18.2016

Jul 11 @ 2:12 PM ET
I, for one, am thrilled that Versteeg will be at the Rock. I think it's a smart move to bring back a proven veteran to show work ethic and compete at the AHL level. SHould be plenty of hungry kids trying to prove their way into the Big Club lineup. If I recall Versteeg's "prime" - (2011-2013, before injuries), he could dangle/skate/snipe but was tenacious and had a high compete level. Perfect fit for the minor league club.
- phantasmo

While I think Versteeg will bring much needed veteran experience to the Hogs lineup and provide insights to the youngsters on what it takes to succeed at the NHL level, I don't see him as a leader.

To be honest, re-signing Tyler Sikura was pivotal for the Hogs who lost pretty much all of their veterans this summer. While he's a career minor leaguer, Sikura is an effective one who provides the type of leadership that the Hawks AAA team should have. He was captain at Dartmouth and has worn the A during his pro career so far. Strong work ethic, vocal, and steady.

If the Hogs are to finally give the C to someone, I would tab Sikura. Possibly Dahlstrom. Whoever gets the C, the other gets an A.
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Jul 11 @ 2:21 PM ET
Ahh....Murray Bannerman.....Used to see him at the Jewel off of Naper and 75th st back in the day with my dad. Always walking out with a 6 pack......
- SteveRain


That’s out in my old hood! Grew up off of Book and 87th so a little west of there. Been to that Jewel many a times.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jul 11 @ 2:23 PM ET
I would be interested to hear perspectives on Hagel from the Sabres fans who have been posting on the Blackhawks board lately.

From my own observations and reading of reports, Hagel is vastly improved on defense (focused on that a lot in his last season or two at Red Deer) and isn't just an offensive dynamo with zero defensive awareness.

Hagel is a relentless forechecker who is always around the puck and somehow can manage the puck at some point virtually every shift. When he does have the puck, he creates chances so he's not a black hole with it.

If he does challenge for a spot on the Hawks, my guess is next year at the earliest and as a 3rd liner. If he hits potential, I'd think he could be a 200-foot 20/20 winger who can also kill penalties.

- AEL_Fox


Isn't Hagel light, like 165 lbs?
Savetheembers33
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 01.23.2017

Jul 11 @ 2:24 PM ET
All I know is Rockford is gonna be STACKED next year with talented young players on both ends which is exciting to see considering how bare the farm has been for us. We'll see some legit competition with the guys there fighting for playing time and trying to show that they deserve to be at the NHL level
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jul 11 @ 2:27 PM ET
I would be interested to hear perspectives on Hagel from the Sabres fans who have been posting on the Blackhawks board lately.

From my own observations and reading of reports, Hagel is vastly improved on defense (focused on that a lot in his last season or two at Red Deer) and isn't just an offensive dynamo with zero defensive awareness.

Hagel is a relentless forechecker who is always around the puck and somehow can manage the puck at some point virtually every shift. When he does have the puck, he creates chances so he's not a black hole with it.

If he does challenge for a spot on the Hawks, my guess is next year at the earliest and as a 3rd liner. If he hits potential, I'd think he could be a 200-foot 20/20 winger who can also kill penalties.

- AEL_Fox



Here’s his exit interview from Rockford:

https://youtu.be/V-GIg7P9154

Kid isn’t afraid to mix it up either:

https://youtu.be/dHX0iz6XZPU
Snakebit12
Joined: 06.26.2015

Jul 11 @ 2:37 PM ET
Bickell will always have a special place for initiating the "17 seconds". I still watch that clip on occasion...boosts the spirits.

But I do have a question, not clearly understanding LTIR and all:

What options would the Hawks have had if their medical team had diagnosed his MS before the trade to Carolina?
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jul 11 @ 2:39 PM ET
One thing I will say is that regardless of how our expectations for the season will differ from fan to fan, it’s exciting to me as a fan to see the infusion of youth and talent over the last two years that we haven’t seen in over a decade.

We rode the coattails of our NHL roster for so long that we didn’t put much stock in our

- TommyHawk[underachieving] draft picks over the years because we just had Stan round out the roster on the fly.

But now that we’ve got the likes of Strome, DeBrincat, Dach, Nylander, Boqvist, Beaudin, Mitchell, Kurashev on the horizon of taking the reigns from 19, 88, 2, and 7, it’s going to be really bittersweet to see the turning of the chapter in Hawks history as the baton gets passed from one generation to the other.

That’s why I’m taking everything in stride and enjoying as much of the current core as I can, because before we know it, they’ll be gone.


More like before you know it, three core players retired as Blackhawks their entire career. That number is actually four if you include Seabrook. Seabrook probably retires after going on long term disability. When that happens is likely not this upcoming season.

Anyway the older Toews becomes the less likely any team would take on his contract. Irregardless of his level of performance - say he set a new personal scoring record - nonetheless at his age no team takes on his contract.

As for Kane .....no matter how good the team around him becomes, the fact is Kane is going to remain the major driving force how successful the team could become. The better the talent around Kane, the better he should become. I doubt that Chicago ever wins any trade when the best player in the trade is Kane. So Kane certainly retires a Blackhawk. He isn't shuffling off to Buffalo or any other address to play hockey.

Oh and as for Keith as the team improves why trade him? Is the return worthwhile - probably not. Any high value in trade would come after last season. His no movement clause makes trading him fairly difficult anyway.[/img]
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jul 11 @ 2:46 PM ET
I am excited to see what Nylander can bring in terms of skill but awfully worried about all of the other stuff.

Thought Joki had enough confidence... heard he was even cocky at times. We'll see how he works out in Buffalo.

Don't say anything about Stranger Things... not finished yet. Ha.

- Tyler Cameron


You get done with Stranger Things, someone recommended Dead to Me, have to say, train wreck with dark humor, pretty entertaining
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jul 11 @ 2:47 PM ET
Isn't Hagel light, like 165 lbs?
- LAHawk


Brent Sutter, Red Deer coach: “He’s got tenacity. He’s hard on pucks. He’s got skill that goes with it. His shot has improved a lot. He’s very much involved in the game. He’s on the puck a lot. He’s one of those guys not overly big statue-wise, I think he’s 6-1, 170-75-pound player, but when he’s in the corner he comes out with the puck more often than not.”

It’ll be interesting to see how he does with the IceHogs this season. Sounds like he’s committed to adding more strength as his primary goal this offseason.
vandymeer23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IA
Joined: 10.11.2014

Jul 11 @ 2:54 PM ET
Q also played Mashinter over both Vermette and TT in the first 2 games against Predators. He had a soft spot for big people with low skills, Mashinters and Bolligs of the league. This would have costed 2015 cup if not for Darling heroics plus Shea Weber going down in that series. Luck was on Q side in 2015.
- vshun

And he played John Scott against van when we were down 0-3 then we won 3 straight and they put stalberg back in and we lost game 7 so stop complaining.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jul 11 @ 3:01 PM ET
Here’s his exit interview from Rockford:

https://youtu.be/V-GIg7P9154

Kid isn’t afraid to mix it up either:

https://youtu.be/dHX0iz6XZPU

- walleyeb1

i asked wiz about Hagel after he was signed. Specifically what his upside could be - as in first line.

Wiz response at that time was that he is a nice player to add but probably not ideally top line, more likely second offensive line. He can skate and shoot no doubt an offensive producer. The attention to other parts of his game makes Hagel sound even more enticing and possibly won't need much time in the AHL. I"ve read AEL_FOX report as well which mentioned how the puck follows him around the ice.

I hope that we can roll four strong lines should some kids develop. I remind myself how our bottom lines were better than theirs. On paper and on ice i foresee this possibility with a new group. But is there another Kreuger. Not Nilsson in that role. Although noticed this: he was voted Rockford mvp as bottom line scorer 19 goals. Hmm

Barrett better than Burrish. Entwhistle more valuable than Brouwer. Soderlund i hesitate to compare because he might be an agitator and speedy forechecker supreme. Many bring up Kursaev but i really want to see what tough nosed kid like ReJohnson brings. Highmore is your energy guy whether he plays regularly.

I am uncertain whether Barrett is a second or third line type but has certain offensive game and can be an agitator with his mouth. At this time i cannot endorse other prospects since they have probably more steps in their development. I do not mean Dach - he will impact sooner or later. I refer to the Boston kid who got injured (Wise is the name?) And there are some russians.

Galvas could surprise on defense. I am thinking he could be very sound but in comparison to Mitchell....not as offensive capable and "dk" how many smallish dmen our roster ideally contains. There is likely a need or usage for what Carlsson and Gilbert bring. And Kyrs or Gus on third pair would be real nice to have instead of a reliable Galvas?

Time will come when we see whom is part of the equation
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jul 11 @ 3:29 PM ET
I came out jung ho on what I liked about the trade and acquisition, and won't back down from it...this was a chance to add a REALLY high skilled skater, attacker, thinker with incredible hands (I watched on him since the trade and I had to watch it three times to see the shot, it was so fast!) ... because prospects like this are not in our prospects pool...and by virtue on an 18 yr old draft that is what they are, even three years later...kids you hope can put together all the parts and start adding NHL hockey IQ to their junior level hockey IQ...that was DeBrincat's biggest attribute, GREAT HOCKEY SENSE,that quick recognition and replacement of himself as an attacker, and the touch when he gets the biscuit.
So no matter if Alex Nylander gets his feeling hurt having to work at improvement w/o the gimme and subsequent quick success and FAT $$$ deal his older brother did, there isn't going to be a gimme in Chicago either.
Not trying to compare the players, but DuClair was given adequate chances in many organizations to round out his game.

I think his signature deceptive move is lurking on the edges in motion, and seeing a crack while his teammate has possession and jumping in for the look.
Some see this marking him as a perimeter player, I don't. The game is presently about trying to not get tied or slowed but able to area fill.
let's get to the negatives...remember, 20 minutes ago above, I mention Michael and Daze and what I "thought" I saw happen?
well, prior to HIS draft, there was the same concern with Alex that he lacked heart...this was based on the fact against weaker opposition he thrived, and in games where the competition checking got tigher, he disappeared.
And there was a already an opinion that folks would like to see a three-zone committment. That is wasn't enough to be the game-breaker home-run hitter, but that your team might like to see you initiate contact once and awhile...
(Could you very well have said this about a Patrick Kane when he was 21 in 2008 his second pro season after being a minus five even strength and putting up 72 points in the rookie season before?)
Also adding this; Scouts were making comparison of Alexander Nylander to Phil Kesell on both levels...

And I see nothing wrong with expecting the Sikura's, and developing "top 4 defenders to have to taste the AHL, where the skill around you doesn't match a younsters skill set...but the idea is to get improved so you can go pro, not expect a job before you take advantage of the opportunity.

I have no insight yet on why both players were exchanged but I still think they both asked for it.

But I can't wait to see how it turns out....

- wiz1901


Same here. Appreciated your insights yesterday on Nylander and had me feeling a bit better about the trade.

Like it at the time that it happens or not, as a fan all I can do is hope the Hawks did their homework and that it works out for the best.

But like you, I'm excited to see how it all plays out.
rpeters01
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jul 11 @ 3:31 PM ET
Ammo for Perlini's agent.


The Boston Bruins have reached an agreement with Danton Heinen.

The team announced Tuesday night that they have signed the forward to a two-year contract, which runs through 2020-21, with an annual cap hit of $2.8 million.

Heinen had filed for arbitration, but avoided his August 3 meeting with the deal. He earned $925,000 last season.

The 24-year-old tallied 11 goals and 23 assists for 34 points with a plus-13 rating in 77 games with Boston during the 2018-19 season. The 6-foot-1, 188-pound forward also chipped in two goals and six assists in 24 postseason games.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jul 11 @ 3:32 PM ET
That’s out in my old hood! Grew up off of Book and 87th so a little west of there. Been to that Jewel many a times.
- bhawks2241


Mine too essentially, but a bit north of there...River and Ogden and before that River and Aurora Rd.
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