Price strikes me as a guy that the old boy Canadians would love enough to put into the Hall given his hardware. He also has Olympic gold medal starting goalie on his resume which will work in his favor. Perry is the interesting case to me. The duo of Getzlaf and Perry was so iconic for a couple of seasons but recency bias of how hard he faded and getting bought out way before a used to be star should get bought out will hurt his legacy enough that he may go overlooked given that he spent his career in the hockey backwater of Anaheim.

I think Kucherov is a shoe in. He has several more years of eliteness left in him and will be great for longer. He’ll have plenty of time to build that resume. From a personal ability standpoint Taylor Hall should go but team achievements and glory play a big part in getting into the Hall and he’s just spent so much time on non-competitive teams. Unless things turn around for the teams he plays for I think he’ll get the “not a winner” label.
- Victoro311

Well, aside from the Hart Trophy, if you're gonna put Price in, I think you've gotta also put Luongo, who has more team success (2011 SCF) and has probably been more consistent, than Price. That's what makes the goalies hard. I think we'll both agree than Lundqvist will get in, but after that...I don't know.

Off-topic: With the exception of Jose Theodore, every player that has even won the Hart Trophy that is eligible for entry into the HHOF has been elected. Jaromir Jagr is not yet eligible, but he will get in on his first ballot. Henrik Sedin may have to wait a year or 2, but he'll go in with his brother.

When looking at the other winners who are in their 30s (Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, Kane), these guys are shoo-ins. But 2 names stick out for me: Corey Perry and Carey Price.

Corey Perry once led the league in goals. But, while he's always been a good player, he only had one "great" year. He wasn't a small part of the 2007 Anaheim Cup team (2nd in points); he was a solid contributor, but it was guys like Niedermayer, Pronger, Getzlaf, Andrew McDoanld, and, of course, Selanne who were the players that stood out the most. He's the kind of guy who gets into a team HOF, but I don't know if he has the numbers or credentials to get into the HHOF. At 34 and with 3 straight years of declining numbers and a horrible injury-plagued campaign last year, he may not have much more to give.

Carey Price is very interesting. All 4 pieces of NHL hardware (Hart, Jennings, Vezina, Linday) all came in one spectacular season. The following season was also spectacular. But after that...like Perry, he's been a consistently good goalie, despite a few hiccups. Unlike Perry, Price doesn't have a lot of playoff experience, altouhh he's played generally well in the playoffs when his team has been able to avoid getting swept. Goalies are hard to judge, and while he's been very good, I don't think he has the body of work, to date, to merit HHOF.

Taylor Hall and Nikita Kucherov fall into this category as well, but they both have a lot more time to work with than these two. What is your take? Do Perry and/or Price deserve entry into the HHOF based on their careers to date?
- jmatchett383

Perry has the cup, the personal awards and its the HHOF, not the NHL Hall of Fame, so he has 2 Olympic gold medals and a World Juniors medal. So I think he gets in.

Price on the other hand I just dont feel should be in there yet.

I have zero doubt he'll be getting a look there early in the season....along with every other winger thats comfortable with playing LW.
- MattStrat

A lot of times. Most of the time in my opinion 2 guys with exceptional offensive abilities is good. A third guy the can That isn’t a complete slouch but also knows he’s not out there to play tick tack toe with th other two is better than everyone trying to set each other up all the time.

Perry has the cup, the personal awards and its the HHOF, not the NHL Hall of Fame, so he has 2 Olympic gold medals and a World Juniors medal. So I think he gets in.

Price on the other hand I just dont feel should be in there yet.
- MattStrat

Yes, but taking away two awards he won on a career-best season, Mike Richards is a much more accomplished hockey player, taking his NHL and international success into account. I get that hardware matters, but it's like Perry was a 3-time Art Ross winner. I just don't think he has enough, personally.

Dzingel to Carolina for 2/6.75 lmao

Dzingel to Carolina for 2/6.75 lmao
- kfinl170

WOW. I didn't think he deserved that much. Maybe like $4 per.

Well, aside from the Hart Trophy, if you're gonna put Price in, I think you've gotta also put Luongo, who has more team success (2011 SCF) and has probably been more consistent, than Price. That's what makes the goalies hard. I think we'll both agree than Lundqvist will get in, but after that...I don't know.
- jmatchett383

I think Luongo is 100% in. I never thought that was in question.

Dzingel to Carolina for 2/6.75 lmao
- kfinl170

wait $6.75 per season?


edit: just found this "The deal will pay Dzingel $3.25 million in 2019-20 and $3.5 million in 2020-21."

wait $6.75 per season?


edit: just found this "The deal will pay Dzingel $3.25 million in 2019-20 and $3.5 million in 2020-21."
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Sorry I meant total comp, 3.5 and 3.25

Sorry I meant total comp, 3.5 and 3.25
- kfinl170

That means Jake Gardiner is the only decent UFA left. Not that the Pens will be signing anyone else...but that pretty much takes care of the upper and middle tier UFAs.

I think Luongo is 100% in. I never thought that was in question.
- Victoro311

Oh well...okay then. In that case, what current goalies, to date, do you think are sure-fire guys? Other than Lundqvist, I don't feel comfortable saying there are any that are 100% shoo-ins. My list of maybes includes:

Price
Quick
Crawford
Rinne
Rask
MAF

They all have at least 1 Cup ring except for Price and Rinne (who made the SCF), although Rask was a back-up, but has made the SCF as a starter. I believe they all have individual awards at the NHL level, with varying degrees of international success.

But in my opinion, they are all members of the "Hall of Really Good." To me, if you get into the Hall of Fame, you have to be more than just a local hero or a 5-time All Star. You have to be an elite (top-3/5) player at your position for more than 5 years and you almost have to elevate yourself to an iconic status where people equate your name with something: For instance, when people look at Jarome Iginla, they can look past the numbers and think about him basically willing his team to Game 7 of the 2004 SCF.

Just my take. Personally, I think there are too many members of the HHOF. We'll probably disagree, but I don't think Paul Kariya deserves to be in. He was fantastic during his early Anaheim days, and his Hockey East numbers are amazing...but aside from 4 non-consecutive seasons of being "elite" I thought he was just a star, not a superstar.

That means Jake Gardiner is the only decent UFA left. Not that the Pens will be signing anyone else...but that pretty much takes care of the upper and middle tier UFAs.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

You mean aside from Andrew MacDonald?

Sorry I meant total comp, 3.5 and 3.25
- kfinl170

Oh...well then, good pickup.

Dzingel cheaper than Tanev and only 2 year term

Dzingel cheaper than Tanev and only 2 year term
- MattStrat

Yes, but taking away two awards he won on a career-best season, Mike Richards is a much more accomplished hockey player, taking his NHL and international success into account. I get that hardware matters, but it's like Perry was a 3-time Art Ross winner. I just don't think he has enough, personally.
- jmatchett383

Perhaps not, you could be right

- jmatchett383

hahaha

Question for yinz. I was scrolling through the ufa list and seen Brassard on there still. Do you guys think his tenure it Pitt hurt his stock that bad or is he just not that good anymore?
- nateca44

Not that good anymore. Should be able to extend his career as bottom 6, but he pretty much sulked at being a 3C here.

Oh well...okay then. In that case, what current goalies, to date, do you think are sure-fire guys? Other than Lundqvist, I don't feel comfortable saying there are any that are 100% shoo-ins. My list of maybes includes:

Price
Quick
Crawford
Rinne
Rask
MAF

They all have at least 1 Cup ring except for Price and Rinne (who made the SCF), although Rask was a back-up, but has made the SCF as a starter. I believe they all have individual awards at the NHL level, with varying degrees of international success.

But in my opinion, they are all members of the "Hall of Really Good." To me, if you get into the Hall of Fame, you have to be more than just a local hero or a 5-time All Star. You have to be an elite (top-3/5) player at your position for more than 5 years and you almost have to elevate yourself to an iconic status where people equate your name with something: For instance, when people look at Jarome Iginla, they can look past the numbers and think about him basically willing his team to Game 7 of the 2004 SCF.

Just my take. Personally, I think there are too many members of the HHOF. We'll probably disagree, but I don't think Paul Kariya deserves to be in. He was fantastic during his early Anaheim days, and his Hockey East numbers are amazing...but aside from 4 non-consecutive seasons of being "elite" I thought he was just a star, not a superstar.
- jmatchett383

Maybe I’m biased but I think MAF due to the #winz.

I agree with you that the HoF is watered down, but it is what it is. Given that it’s not that hard to make the HoF (relatively of course), I wouldn’t be shocked if any of these guys make it.

Dzingel cheaper than Tanev and only 2 year term
- MattStrat

For a guy who can score 20 5v5 goals with Ottawa and CBJ... that feels like really good value. I know he isn't physical at all, or kills penalties, but adding that type of shooter to your roster can't really hurt. He will be a good fit in Car

Perry has the cup, the personal awards and its the HHOF, not the NHL Hall of Fame, so he has 2 Olympic gold medals and a World Juniors medal. So I think he gets in.

Price on the other hand I just dont feel should be in there yet.
- MattStrat

I think they should consider the numbers you put up in international competition, but not titles because Canada as been dominant. Of course, that's exactly why it will help people.

Hope we get a good tournament soon now that USA finally as some elite centers

Dzingel cheaper than Tanev and only 2 year term
- MattStrat

There are always some bargains if you will wait out the market. I had some concerns with Dzingel outside Ottawa, but that's a great contract and Carolina should be a good fit. Sets him up to hit the market again at 29, or if it goes well get extended next summer.

Tanev deal looking better and better everyday lmao.

Maybe I’m biased but I think MAF due to the #winz.

I agree with you that the HoF is watered down, but it is what it is. Given that it’s not that hard to make the HoF (relatively of course), I wouldn’t be shocked if any of these guys make it.
- Victoro311

I think MAF's success in Vegas and back-stopping them get to the Finals their first year will really help his case. Plus, we all have heard being a media darling helps and he certainly is.

Oh well...okay then. In that case, what current goalies, to date, do you think are sure-fire guys? Other than Lundqvist, I don't feel comfortable saying there are any that are 100% shoo-ins. My list of maybes includes:

Price
Quick
Crawford
Rinne
Rask
MAF

They all have at least 1 Cup ring except for Price and Rinne (who made the SCF), although Rask was a back-up, but has made the SCF as a starter. I believe they all have individual awards at the NHL level, with varying degrees of international success.

But in my opinion, they are all members of the "Hall of Really Good." To me, if you get into the Hall of Fame, you have to be more than just a local hero or a 5-time All Star. You have to be an elite (top-3/5) player at your position for more than 5 years and you almost have to elevate yourself to an iconic status where people equate your name with something: For instance, when people look at Jarome Iginla, they can look past the numbers and think about him basically willing his team to Game 7 of the 2004 SCF.

Just my take. Personally, I think there are too many members of the HHOF. We'll probably disagree, but I don't think Paul Kariya deserves to be in. He was fantastic during his early Anaheim days, and his Hockey East numbers are amazing...but aside from 4 non-consecutive seasons of being "elite" I thought he was just a star, not a superstar.
- jmatchett383

Gotta put Osgood in first.